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I obviously believe a different prediction than you do. It's the one being made by the experts in the field.
South Florida Adapting Infrastructure to Rising Sea Levels | Popular Science
Updates for climate change resilience may allow communities like Miami Beach to survive the century, but they're costing millions of dollars ...
In South Florida, more frequent and destructive flooding due to climate change has become a serious problem. This March 19 report by the PBS News Hour and WPBT looks at how communities like Miami Beach and Broward County are trying to adapt their physical systems to stand up to the new reality.
The drainage infrastructure on the Florida coast has relied upon gravity to draw rainfall runoff from higher canal levels to lower sea level, according to the report. But warming temperatures are raising sea level too high for these systems to work, by expanding the size of water molecules at the ocean's surface, while also melting glaciers that historically kept much of the world's fresh water locked away from the ocean. Climate change is also causing briefer but torrential rainfalls, creating more runoff than the drainage systems were built to handle all at once.
The first words in the segment, spoken by fishing boat captain and Florida native Dan Kipness, set a pragmatic tone. Captains are used to looking at the ocean," says Kipness,
If you look at it long enough and I have had enough time to look at it you can see small changes turn into big changes over a period of time. Youre going to see water coming out of Biscayne Bay, up the storm sewers, and onto the streets until its about a foot deep.
And thats not freshwater. Thats saltwater. Theres no rain. Theres not a cloud in the sky.
Video at the link.
We're spending money on the wrong things.
FLA is doomed.
Doubt me?
Try buying HOME OWNERS insurance in FLA.
Florida most expensive in nation for home insurance | News-JournalOnline.com
Florida most expensive in nation for home insurance | News-JournalOnline.com
No hurricanes, but Florida property insurance rate hikes keep coming | HeraldTribune.com
Now I totally understand that right wingers doubt the veractiy of left wingers.
But INSURANCE COMPANIES are hardly run by lefties.
They are bastions of pragmatic thinking designed to measure risk v reward.
Clearly they think FLA is in trouble..
What do they know that the Climate weirding denialists don't?
New Orleans has spent tens of billions to build up the sea walls and levies.
Do you support this?
Sorry, Frank, but I think we're done.
South Florida Adapting Infrastructure to Rising Sea Levels | Popular Science
Updates for climate change resilience may allow communities like Miami Beach to survive the century, but they're costing millions of dollars ...
In South Florida, more frequent and destructive flooding due to climate change has become a serious problem. This March 19 report by the PBS News Hour and WPBT looks at how communities like Miami Beach and Broward County are trying to adapt their physical systems to stand up to the new reality.
The drainage infrastructure on the Florida coast has relied upon gravity to draw rainfall runoff from higher canal levels to lower sea level, according to the report. But warming temperatures are raising sea level too high for these systems to work, by expanding the size of water molecules at the ocean's surface, while also melting glaciers that historically kept much of the world's fresh water locked away from the ocean. Climate change is also causing briefer but torrential rainfalls, creating more runoff than the drainage systems were built to handle all at once.
The first words in the segment, spoken by fishing boat captain and Florida native Dan Kipness, set a pragmatic tone. Captains are used to looking at the ocean," says Kipness,
If you look at it long enough and I have had enough time to look at it you can see small changes turn into big changes over a period of time. Youre going to see water coming out of Biscayne Bay, up the storm sewers, and onto the streets until its about a foot deep.
And thats not freshwater. Thats saltwater. Theres no rain. Theres not a cloud in the sky.
Video at the link.
We're spending money on the wrong things.
FLA is doomed.
Doubt me?
Try buying HOME OWNERS insurance in FLA.
Florida most expensive in nation for home insurance | News-JournalOnline.com
Florida most expensive in nation for home insurance | News-JournalOnline.com
No hurricanes, but Florida property insurance rate hikes keep coming | HeraldTribune.com
Now I totally understand that right wingers doubt the veractiy of left wingers.
But INSURANCE COMPANIES are hardly run by lefties.
They are bastions of pragmatic thinking designed to measure risk v reward.
Clearly they think FLA is in trouble..
What do they know that the Climate weirding denialists don't?
Cuba
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I obviously believe a different prediction than you do. It's the one being made by the experts in the field.
The "experts" who have failed to make an accurate prediction in 30 years. Good one! Give them a few more decades and they'll qualify as the new "Flat Earth" experts!![]()
The structures off Okinawa and Cuba, in the opinions of archaeologists and geologists that have examined the sites, are that they are geological. The one in Cuba is ridiculously deep to even consider it could be man made. The structure off Okinawa is virtually identical to structures ashore that are known to be natural.
If you want to see a city underwater, try Old Tyre in the Mediterranean or Port Royal, Jamaica. I am not denying that there are formerly coastal structures all over the world. But the only ones I know of that have been submerged solely by rising water would likely be those bronze age dwellings on the ancent shores of the Black Sea when what was formerly a medium large lake was catastrophically flooded by waters pouring through the newly formed Bosporus Straits. Sea levels have simply not risen sufficiently since humans began building durable structures. In some areas, subsidence can add enough change, but it is unlikely that 2 meters over 8,000 years is going to catch anyone unawares.
LOL.
"Japan's Ancient Underwater "Pyramid" Mystifies Scholars
Julian Ryall in Tokyo
for National Geographic News
September 19, 2007"
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Japan's Ancient Underwater "Pyramid" Mystifies Scholars
When the evidence refuses to support your theory, real scientists know it time for a new theory; the AGWCult on the other hand, alters, destroys or just plain ignores that evidence.
Sorry, Frank, but I think we're done.
I obviously believe a different prediction than you do. It's the one being made by the experts in the field.
The "experts" who have failed to make an accurate prediction in 30 years. Good one! Give them a few more decades and they'll qualify as the new "Flat Earth" experts!![]()
Here we go again, more lies from Walleyes. What an idiot. Dr. James Hansen's predictions in his 1981 paper are spot on.
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ha04600x.html
Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.
The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_etal_1.pdf
The structures off Okinawa and Cuba, in the opinions of archaeologists and geologists that have examined the sites, are that they are geological. The one in Cuba is ridiculously deep to even consider it could be man made. The structure off Okinawa is virtually identical to structures ashore that are known to be natural.
If you want to see a city underwater, try Old Tyre in the Mediterranean or Port Royal, Jamaica. I am not denying that there are formerly coastal structures all over the world. But the only ones I know of that have been submerged solely by rising water would likely be those bronze age dwellings on the ancent shores of the Black Sea when what was formerly a medium large lake was catastrophically flooded by waters pouring through the newly formed Bosporus Straits. Sea levels have simply not risen sufficiently since humans began building durable structures. In some areas, subsidence can add enough change, but it is unlikely that 2 meters over 8,000 years is going to catch anyone unawares.
LOL.
"Japan's Ancient Underwater "Pyramid" Mystifies Scholars
Julian Ryall in Tokyo
for National Geographic News
September 19, 2007"
![]()
Japan's Ancient Underwater "Pyramid" Mystifies Scholars
When the evidence refuses to support your theory, real scientists know it time for a new theory; the AGWCult on the other hand, alters, destroys or just plain ignores that evidence.
Oddly enough they look just like the natural formations in the same area that are above water. What an amazing coincidence!
And who suggested destroying the world's economy?And who suggested destroying the world's economy? My point would be that global warming is going to have some SERIOUS impact on us and our economy. Pretending that it isn't happening or that it won't hurt us helps no one save the exceptionally short-sighted.
Yes, but isn't it funny how fuzzy math takes no prisoners.Are those proof that "warming temperatures are raising sea level too high for these systems to work, by expanding the size of water molecules at the ocean's surface"
Ok, dumb fuck, he should have said by increasing the volume the molecule occupies because of the increase in vibration as the molecule has more energy at a higher temperature. However, for anyone with the slightest knowledge of chemistry, what he said is completely clear.
I love it when warmer sources show their complete lack of science.
And who suggested destroying the world's economy?And who suggested destroying the world's economy? My point would be that global warming is going to have some SERIOUS impact on us and our economy. Pretending that it isn't happening or that it won't hurt us helps no one save the exceptionally short-sighted.
Nancy Pelosi. She told her Congress to not read a bill, just pass it "so we will know what's in it." They did, and it became the highest tax ever leveled against the Middle Class through Obama's alleged 'affordable' care act.
The truth about Obamacare is that Obama doesn't care if the global economy falls when America's is destroyed by him raising the national debt to well over $17 trillion dollars.
Democrats have this naïve notion that borrowing money that somebody else has to pay back as long as they are protected for life against the people they enslaved to do their pet rock projects done in secrecy behind closed doors and beneath so much white paper nobody has time to fully understand the impact that will be leveled to destroy the world's economy by first destroying America's credibility, dollar, and strength.
Weakening America's economy and military so Putin would be able to roll through the Ukraine was truly a bad idea, too.
And who suggested destroying the world's economy?And who suggested destroying the world's economy? My point would be that global warming is going to have some SERIOUS impact on us and our economy. Pretending that it isn't happening or that it won't hurt us helps no one save the exceptionally short-sighted.
Nancy Pelosi. She told her Congress to not read a bill, just pass it "so we will know what's in it." They did, and it became the highest tax ever leveled against the Middle Class through Obama's alleged 'affordable' care act.
The truth about Obamacare is that Obama doesn't care if the global economy falls when America's is destroyed by him raising the national debt to well over $17 trillion dollars.
Democrats have this naïve notion that borrowing money that somebody else has to pay back as long as they are protected for life against the people they enslaved to do their pet rock projects done in secrecy behind closed doors and beneath so much white paper nobody has time to fully understand the impact that will be leveled to destroy the world's economy by first destroying America's credibility, dollar, and strength.
Weakening America's economy and military so Putin would be able to roll through the Ukraine was truly a bad idea, too.
This is a forum for the discussion of the Environment, not politics.
Cuba
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I've told Frank before that's just a drawing someone made on their computer. He apparently still believes it's an actual photo of a sunken city 2000 feet down. Westwall also seems to be a true believer in that sort of underwater UFO cult, given how he's giving kudos to Frank for posting it.
Here's the actual sidescan sonar image, which just shows some squarish rocks, and which is itself subject to processing artifacts. But if you denialists are so sure it's a sunken city, just go hire an expedition and prove it. 2000 feet is easily within the reach of ROV's and deep-diving minisubs. There's a Nobel in it for you, if you can prove that a sunken city is present 2000 feet down.
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And who suggested destroying the world's economy?
Nancy Pelosi. She told her Congress to not read a bill, just pass it "so we will know what's in it." They did, and it became the highest tax ever leveled against the Middle Class through Obama's alleged 'affordable' care act.
The truth about Obamacare is that Obama doesn't care if the global economy falls when America's is destroyed by him raising the national debt to well over $17 trillion dollars.
Democrats have this naïve notion that borrowing money that somebody else has to pay back as long as they are protected for life against the people they enslaved to do their pet rock projects done in secrecy behind closed doors and beneath so much white paper nobody has time to fully understand the impact that will be leveled to destroy the world's economy by first destroying America's credibility, dollar, and strength.
Weakening America's economy and military so Putin would be able to roll through the Ukraine was truly a bad idea, too.
This is a forum for the discussion of the Environment, not politics.
Becki's post was topical. Sadly, you enviro nazi's have turned environmentalism into a political war.