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I'd rather talk about what you're pretending. That the Israelis are not causing any of this.
I'd rather talk about what you're pretending. That the Israelis are not causing any of this.
The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
Those are empty words coming from someone who refuses to debate a single issue.Discuss with Billo?
Impossible.
Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.I'd rather talk about what you're pretending. That the Israelis are not causing any of this.
The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.I'd rather talk about what you're pretending. That the Israelis are not causing any of this.
The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.I'd rather talk about what you're pretending. That the Israelis are not causing any of this.
The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
The offer has been made several times but Israel would have to stop its violence too. That is why Israel always rejects the deal.Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.I'd rather talk about what you're pretending. That the Israelis are not causing any of this.
The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
Not asking for agreements. Asking for a cessation of violence. Do you think Hamas can manage that? They haven't yet.
Let's talk specifics. An agreement to end the violence would mean:
Do you think Hamas can manage that? For the one calendar year which is the standard in international law?
- no weapons being smuggled or imported into Gaza
- no dual use items withheld for use in manufacturing weapons, tunnels or other items with belligerent purpose
- no tunnels built or expanded
- no attacks or weapons at the border crossings, fences or at limits of fishing zones
- no rockets, mortars or other indiscriminate attacks
- no burning tires, kites or rock throwing
- no incitement to violence
- respect for buffer zones along both sea and land
The offer has been made several times but Israel would have to stop its violence too. That is why Israel always rejects the deal.Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.I'd rather talk about what you're pretending. That the Israelis are not causing any of this.
The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
Not asking for agreements. Asking for a cessation of violence. Do you think Hamas can manage that? They haven't yet.
Let's talk specifics. An agreement to end the violence would mean:
Do you think Hamas can manage that? For the one calendar year which is the standard in international law?
- no weapons being smuggled or imported into Gaza
- no dual use items withheld for use in manufacturing weapons, tunnels or other items with belligerent purpose
- no tunnels built or expanded
- no attacks or weapons at the border crossings, fences or at limits of fishing zones
- no rockets, mortars or other indiscriminate attacks
- no burning tires, kites or rock throwing
- no incitement to violence
- respect for buffer zones along both sea and land
(INFORMATION)The offer has been made several times but Israel would have to stop its violence too. That is why Israel always rejects the deal.Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.I'd rather talk about what you're pretending. That the Israelis are not causing any of this.
The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
Not asking for agreements. Asking for a cessation of violence. Do you think Hamas can manage that? They haven't yet.
Let's talk specifics. An agreement to end the violence would mean:
Do you think Hamas can manage that? For the one calendar year which is the standard in international law?
- no weapons being smuggled or imported into Gaza
- no dual use items withheld for use in manufacturing weapons, tunnels or other items with belligerent purpose
- no tunnels built or expanded
- no attacks or weapons at the border crossings, fences or at limits of fishing zones
- no rockets, mortars or other indiscriminate attacks
- no burning tires, kites or rock throwing
- no incitement to violence
- respect for buffer zones along both sea and land
It doesn't say much really. Abbas does not have the authority to negotiate away the refugee's rights.RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,
I think we discussed this when it happened. Although we might have not known as much detail.
Oh that is nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
(INFORMATION)The offer has been made several times but Israel would have to stop its violence too. That is why Israel always rejects the deal.Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
Not asking for agreements. Asking for a cessation of violence. Do you think Hamas can manage that? They haven't yet.
Let's talk specifics. An agreement to end the violence would mean:
Do you think Hamas can manage that? For the one calendar year which is the standard in international law?
- no weapons being smuggled or imported into Gaza
- no dual use items withheld for use in manufacturing weapons, tunnels or other items with belligerent purpose
- no tunnels built or expanded
- no attacks or weapons at the border crossings, fences or at limits of fishing zones
- no rockets, mortars or other indiscriminate attacks
- no burning tires, kites or rock throwing
- no incitement to violence
- respect for buffer zones along both sea and land
By Josef Federman || 19 November 2015
• Abbas admits he rejected 2008 peace offer from Olmert •
JERUSALEM (AP) — Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has shined new light on the breakdown of a potentially history-altering round of 2008 peace talks, saying that he rejected an offer from Israel’s Ehud Olmert — which included placing Jerusalem’s Old City under international control — because he was not allowed to study the map.
Interviewed separately by Israel’s Channel 10 TV, both men described the negotiations as serious and said a peace deal was achievable, underscoring just how much the region has changed in only a few years. Israel and the Palestinians are enmeshed in a new round of violence, and Abbas and Israel’s current prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, have barely spoken.
See → The Summary of the:
• The Palestine papers: Olmert's offer to the Palestinians •
theguardian.com, Sunday 23 January 2011
(COMMENT)
There is a very good case to be made that the Arab Palestinian Leadership want the conflict to remain as it is. Many would say that --- even without the policy and pledges made by the Arab Palestinians (reaching back to 1948) --- this stands alone as prima facie evidence that Arab Palestinian Leadership wants the benefits they personally receive as an honorable tribute.
• How Much Is Mahmoud Abbas Worth? •
Try $100 Million
by Khaled Abu Toameh
- Palestinian leaders in Ramallah, including President Mahmoud Abbas, are deeply concerned that Rashid's revelations could expose their role in the embezzlement of public funds. They are also concerned that Rashid's revelations could prompt some Americans and Europeans to reconsider their decision to pour millions of dollars into the Palestinian Authority's coffers. What is needed is an independent Commission of Inquiry to restore public funds belonging to the Palestinian people. The Palestinians have many Mohammed Rashids...
- A former journalist who used to earn less than $1,000 a month by working for a PLO newspaper, Rashid is now considered one of the wealthiest Palestinians anywhere. Palestinian Authority officials have estimated his fortune at more than half a billion dollars.
The Arab Palestinian general population keep the government they have and probably deserve the government they have. They simply are unable to accept the responsibility for their own actions. Arab Palestine (Gaza Strip and West Bank) is becoming a desert incubation and nursery for sociopaths, the indifferent; and the lazy. It is the perfect breeding ground for apathetic.
Most Respectfully,
R
Analysis: is there a price for attacking Gaza?The offer has been made several times but Israel would have to stop its violence too. That is why Israel always rejects the deal.Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
Not asking for agreements. Asking for a cessation of violence. Do you think Hamas can manage that? They haven't yet.
Let's talk specifics. An agreement to end the violence would mean:
Do you think Hamas can manage that? For the one calendar year which is the standard in international law?
- no weapons being smuggled or imported into Gaza
- no dual use items withheld for use in manufacturing weapons, tunnels or other items with belligerent purpose
- no tunnels built or expanded
- no attacks or weapons at the border crossings, fences or at limits of fishing zones
- no rockets, mortars or other indiscriminate attacks
- no burning tires, kites or rock throwing
- no incitement to violence
- respect for buffer zones along both sea and land
I'm not alking about offers. Or deals on paper. I'm talking about Hamas actually stopping all of those things. For a year. They have never done that. Do you think they can manage it or not?
If you want to discuss a one year plan and you think Israel should also have conditions put those conditions of the table -- specific conditions like I have provided-- and we will discuss them.
Analysis: is there a price for attacking Gaza?The offer has been made several times but Israel would have to stop its violence too. That is why Israel always rejects the deal.Hamas has been asking for an agreement like that.P F Tinmore
Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
Not asking for agreements. Asking for a cessation of violence. Do you think Hamas can manage that? They haven't yet.
Let's talk specifics. An agreement to end the violence would mean:
Do you think Hamas can manage that? For the one calendar year which is the standard in international law?
- no weapons being smuggled or imported into Gaza
- no dual use items withheld for use in manufacturing weapons, tunnels or other items with belligerent purpose
- no tunnels built or expanded
- no attacks or weapons at the border crossings, fences or at limits of fishing zones
- no rockets, mortars or other indiscriminate attacks
- no burning tires, kites or rock throwing
- no incitement to violence
- respect for buffer zones along both sea and land
I'm not alking about offers. Or deals on paper. I'm talking about Hamas actually stopping all of those things. For a year. They have never done that. Do you think they can manage it or not?
If you want to discuss a one year plan and you think Israel should also have conditions put those conditions of the table -- specific conditions like I have provided-- and we will discuss them.
I'd rather discuss why you insist on them recognizing you, when you won't recognize them.Why not, let's discuss this:
Hamas spokesman publicly announced Hamas short-term objectives:
Q. How can Israelis even come to terms with anyone suggesting that?
- Ethnic cleansing of Jews from the river to the sea - "we'll cleanse Palestine of the Jewish filth".
- Establishment of the Caliphate.
I hate fuckers like you who are so cavalier in lying. So your post said nothing about Jews?Funny. My post says nothing about Jews.
Why don't you talk about what Israel takes responsibility for?It only argues that Hamas, as the governing body in Gaza, MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for its own citizens. The HORROR!
You just keep telling those bullshit lies.The blockade is caused by the violence. Not the other way around. Violence ends, blockade will end. It really is that simple. The fundamental cause of any remaining conflict between Gaza and Israel is the rejection of Jewish self-determination by the Gazans.
It did stop in 2008 and the blockade continued.Are you suggesting with your "funny" tag to my post that if the violence and incitement from Gaza stopped that the blockade would continue? I dare you to get Hamas to try it.
It's not troll talk, its the truth. You haven't debated one issue with me. All your posts are nothing but personal attacks.Typical troll talk.
They just had ceasefire with Israel in effect and the IDF launched a commando raid into Gaza to kill a member of Hamas.Not asking for agreements. Asking for a cessation of violence. Do you think Hamas can manage that? They haven't yet.
Let's talk specifics. An agreement to end the violence would mean:
Do you think Hamas can manage that? For the one calendar year which is the standard in international law?
- no weapons being smuggled or imported into Gaza
- no dual use items withheld for use in manufacturing weapons, tunnels or other items with belligerent purpose
- no tunnels built or expanded
- no attacks or weapons at the border crossings, fences or at limits of fishing zones
- no rockets, mortars or other indiscriminate attacks
- no burning tires, kites or rock throwing
- no incitement to violence
- respect for buffer zones along both sea and land
What's Israel going to stop?I'm not alking about offers. Or deals on paper. I'm talking about Hamas actually stopping all of those things. For a year. They have never done that. Do you think they can manage it or not?
If you want to discuss a one year plan and you think Israel should also have conditions put those conditions of the table -- specific conditions like I have provided-- and we will discuss them.
