All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[Sixties Fan]

You will always get the same answer if you only look at one side of the story, there is plenty of blame to go around. bottom line the Jewish people were given the land (land controlled by the British) by all the WW2 war winning allies. Because of the despicable way they were treated during WW2.

The Mandate for Palestine comes after WWI, not WWII, from the Balfour Declaration.
The land had been controlled by the Ottoman Empire until 1918. The British, one of the Allies, became responsible for the Mandate for Palestine and the Mandate for Iraq.
ONLY the Mandate for Palestine, aka Israel, was rejected by the Muslims because its government was not going to be Muslim.

The Jews were working on re - establishing their ancient nation on their ancient land.
The Muslims, and many Christians like the British government, would have none of that and worked against them.

Many movies about the Holocaust. None about al nakba in the US

The US had a "holocaust"?

Stuart, I appreciate you wanting to engage in conversation on this thread, but you are in the wrong thread.

Feel free to start your own thread about "All the news pro Israel will not want read or discuss".

ALL of your posts have been debunked again and again, and they really belong in the "
Conspiracy Theories part of the community.

Jews are the indigenous people of the Land of Israel. Palestinians are Arabs who never called themselves Palestinians until 1963, to use the word against the Jews.

The British stole 78% of the Jewish land, TransJordan, meant for the Jewish People to recreate their ancient Nation and gave it the Hashemite clan who had just moved into the area because they were not Jews, but Arab Muslims. Note that the British did not give the land to any other Arab clans, especially any of those who had been in TransJordan long before the Hashemites were expelled from Arabia by the Saud Clan and lived in

The Arab Palestinians indigenous land is called Arabia. The whole Arabian Peninsula is their ancient land. That is where all the Arab clans come from. All you have to do is ask them.

Islam does not like Jews being sovereign of their own land, especially if Muslims once conquered that land.

Think about these things and discuss them here with links proving your point.

So far you have done nothing but post and write things which come from Muslim and Christian sources meant to destroy Israel, because Christianity and Islam have always been against the Jews, and have always treated them as people who must be humbled by the other two religions.

Jews must never be sovereign of their own destiny, according to Christian and Muslim tradition. Just look at the Christian and Muslim treatment of Jews since those two religions came to be.

Pogroms, the Inquisition, more pogroms, more massacres, expulsions, the Holocaust (all of which happened both in Europe and in Muslim controlled lands ) and then the insistence that Israel does not deserve to exist even on the 20% left to them from the Mandate for Palestine, which was to be 100% belonged to and governed by Jews.


Can you discuss any of the above?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You will always get the same answer if you only look at one side of the story, there is plenty of blame to go around. bottom line the Jewish people were given the land (land controlled by the British) by all the WW2 war winning allies. Because of the despicable way they were treated during WW2.

The Mandate for Palestine comes after WWI, not WWII, from the Balfour Declaration.
The land had been controlled by the Ottoman Empire until 1918. The British, one of the Allies, became responsible for the Mandate for Palestine and the Mandate for Iraq.
ONLY the Mandate for Palestine, aka Israel, was rejected by the Muslims because its government was not going to be Muslim.

The Jews were working on re - establishing their ancient nation on their ancient land.
The Muslims, and many Christians like the British government, would have none of that and worked against them.

Israel: Dangerous Ruling in Rachel Corrie Case

www.hrw.org

Whenever Israel investigates itself it always finds itself not guilty.

Coincident that.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jewish people were given the land (land controlled by the British)

It wasn't "the land" it was Palestine.

Britain never had control of the territory. It was not their land to give away.

 

[Hollie]

You will always get the same answer if you only look at one side of the story, there is plenty of blame to go around. bottom line the Jewish people were given the land (land controlled by the British) by all the WW2 war winning allies. Because of the despicable way they were treated during WW2.

The Mandate for Palestine comes after WWI, not WWII, from the Balfour Declaration.
The land had been controlled by the Ottoman Empire until 1918. The British, one of the Allies, became responsible for the Mandate for Palestine and the Mandate for Iraq.
ONLY the Mandate for Palestine, aka Israel, was rejected by the Muslims because its government was not going to be Muslim.

The Jews were working on re - establishing their ancient nation on their ancient land.
The Muslims, and many Christians like the British government, would have none of that and worked against them.

Israel: Dangerous Ruling in Rachel Corrie Case

www.hrw.org

Whenever Israel investigates itself it always finds itself not guilty.

Coincident that.

More of your nonsense.

 

[Hollie]

Jewish people were given the land (land controlled by the British)

It wasn't "the land" it was Palestine.

Britain never had control of the territory. It was not their land to give away.

It wasn’t Pal’istan. The land area was an administrative district under the Ottoman Turks.

Arabs-Moslems never held sovereignty over “the land”. Arab-Moslem occupation doesn’t equal ownership.

Your Disney’fied version of the “Magical Kingdom of Pal’istan” (Where Dreams Come True™) is a hoot.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It wasn’t Pal’istan. The land area was an administrative district under the Ottoman Turks.

Then it was transferred to Palestine. The people living there became Palestinian nationals and were granted Palestinian citizenship.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Then it was transferred to Palestine.

LOL!

 

[Sixties Fan]

It wasn’t Pal’istan. The land area was an administrative district under the Ottoman Turks.

Then it was transferred to Palestine. The people living there became Palestinian nationals and were granted Palestinian citizenship.

None of that happened. You just keep repeating that nonsense.

Then, by what you are saying , not only the Arabs became Palestinians, after 1918, but all the Jews, the Druze, the Bedouin clans, Americans, Germans, etc.

Why is it that mostly the Jews got Palestine passports and not all the Arabs who lived there. Why were the Arabs so not interested in a Palestine passport during the Mandate for Palestine?

And.......at what point, and under which agreement or document does it say that ALL residents of the Mandate for Palestine, living there since the formation of the Mandate...were to be considered citizens of Palestine?

And.......if all were to be citizens of Palestine, how could the British give 78% of the Mandate to the Hashemite clan, TransJordan, and therefore "take away" that citizenship from those living in that area?

 

[Hollie]

It wasn’t Pal’istan. The land area was an administrative district under the Ottoman Turks.

Then it was transferred to Palestine. The people living there became Palestinian nationals and were granted Palestinian citizenship.

Indeed, I was anticipating a ''circle back'' to your Treaty of Lausanne Conspiracy Theory.

The Treaty of Lausanne never transferred land to, or invented your Magical Kingdom of Pal’istan” (Where Dreams Come True™).

As your next claim will be that the Treaty of Lausanne invented various ''new states'', we're ''circling back'' to your inability to identify those ''new states'.

Indeed, you have again managed to make the same false claims you have spewed for 10 years.

Ya' Allah, dude. As we say here in the Grest Satan, ''give it a rest''.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And.......at what point, and under which agreement or document does it say that ALL residents of the Mandate for Palestine, living there since the formation of the Mandate...were to be considered citizens of Palestine?

Actually it was everyone who held Ottoman citizenship. Religion was not an issue.

 

[Sixties Fan]

And.......at what point, and under which agreement or document does it say that ALL residents of the Mandate for Palestine, living there since the formation of the Mandate...were to be considered citizens of Palestine?

Actually it was everyone who held Ottoman citizenship. Religion was not an issue.

NO ONE held Ottoman citizenship during the Ottoman period.

Ottoman, was not a country. It could not give citizenship to anyone, and it really would never give "citizenship" to anyone under their power.

Just where is that link, Tinmore, showing that the Ottoman empire did as the Romans did. Except that the Romans never gave "citizenship" to everyone under their control.

Post 1923:

Since the establishment of the Republic in 1923, any non-Muslim born in Turkey, whatever his/her religion, is a Turkish citizen as are any of his/her Muslim fellows.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00263206.2016.1268126

And this:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2979/jottturstuass.3.2.05

The British themselves never gave "Citizenship" to any or all the people who lived in the area of the Mandate for Palestine.

If that had been the case, the Hashemites would have become Palestinians, instead of being given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 from the Mandate to re create the Jewish Nation ON its Jewish Homeland.

 

[Hollie]

And.......at what point, and under which agreement or document does it say that ALL residents of the Mandate for Palestine, living there since the formation of the Mandate...were to be considered citizens of Palestine?

Actually it was everyone who held Ottoman citizenship. Religion was not an issue.

Actually, under the Ottoman Turks, dhimmitude was a religious issue.

Multiple choice question. Under the Ottoman Turks, were dhimmis,

1. Moslems
2. Finnish Nationals
3. Jews and Christians
4. Encyclopedia salesmen.

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

Yes. No link/evidence

 

[Sixties Fan]

Which post are you replying to?

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

Benny Morris's Shocking Interview

The Israeli historian Benny Morris did it again. Morris is not only a historian with impressive achievements but also an Israeli and international icon. One year after the publication of his book The Birth of Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949, published in 1987, he proclaimed...

historynewsnetwork.org

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

You will always get the same answer if you only look at one side of the story, there is plenty of blame to go around. bottom line the Jewish people were given the land (land controlled by the British) by all the WW2 war winning allies. Because of the despicable way they were treated during WW2...

www.usmessageboard.com

No link/evidence

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

"None of that happened. You just keep repeating that nonsense.

Then, by what you are saying , not only the Arabs became Palestinians, after 1918, but all the Jews, the Druze, the Bedouin clans, Americans, Germans, etc.

Why is it that mostly the Jews got Palestine passports and not all the Arabs who lived there. Why were the Arabs so not interested in a Palestine passport during the Mandate for Palestine?

And.......at what point, and under which agreement or document does it say that ALL residents of the Mandate for Palestine, living there since the formation of the Mandate...were to be considered citizens of Palestine?

And.......if all were to be citizens of Palestine, how could the British give 78% of the Mandate to the Hashemite clan, TransJordan, and therefore "take away" that citizenship from those living in that area"
No link/evidence

 

[P F Tinmore]

NO ONE held Ottoman citizenship during the Ottoman period.

https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/A-Survey-of-Palestine/Volume-I/Page0206.jpg

 

[Sixties Fan]

It is called History.

History, that thing you do not know about and much less care.

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

“Last Friday together with Etzel” – the acronym for the National Military Organization, also known as the Irgun, another pre-state underground militia, led by Menachem Begin – “our movement carried out a tremendous operation to occupy the Arab village on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv road – Deir Yassin. I participated in this operation in the most active way,” wrote Yehuda Feder, whose nom de guerre in Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang) was “Giora.

Testimonies from the censored Deir Yassin massacre: 'They piled bodies and burned them'

A young fellow tied to a tree and set on fire. A woman and an old man shot in back. Girls lined up against a wall and shot with a submachine gun. The testimonies collected by filmmaker Neta Shoshani about the massacre in Deir Yassin are difficult to process even 70 years after the fact

www.haaretz.com