Almost half of Americans work in low paid jobs

[Mac-7]

If not for the millions of foreign illegal workers in America wages would be higher for Americans and that would be a good thing

More Legal H1B LEGAL workers are the problem Mac

And yes, dig enough & you'll find the Gub'Mit cap on them

But what is harder to find is all the exceptions and excuses made by Gub'Mit

So you see, the real deal is the bait/switch , to have us focus of the immigration issue , while all the cheap labor proliferates us

Biggest hypocrite of them all?

>>>>

~S~

I dont know if trump hires that many seasonal workers or not

But I agree that the legal H1b program is robbing Americans and needs to be severely curtailed

Along with doing away with illegal alien workers entirely

 

[sparky]

But in response you want to support people who want to actively work to make the situation worse?

no i don't Correll

In fact, i'm really tired of seeing foreign labor on every farm, and every big construction job on my turf.

want to make this situation better?

realize the 'pen is mightier than the wall'

realize the WOL is full of DC incumbents screaming about immigration, while creating every opportunity in legislature for them to come work here

~S~

 

[Correll]

But in response you want to support people who want to actively work to make the situation worse?

no i don't Correll

In fact, i'm really tired of seeing foreign labor on every farm, and every big construction job on my turf.

want to make this situation better?

realize the 'pen is mightier than the wall'

realize the WOL is full of DC incumbents screaming about immigration, while creating every opportunity in legislature for them to come work here

~S~

We did realize that. There were a lot of incumbent politicians in the REpublican primary, and we defeated them to bring in the outsider, who seemed more serious about the issue.



AND we are seeing, even with the little bit that TRump is doing, significant improvements in lower end wages, for the first time in a long time.


We should do MORE of that. AND BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

 

[Mac-7]

But in response you want to support people who want to actively work to make the situation worse?

no i don't Correll

In fact, i'm really tired of seeing foreign labor on every farm, and every big construction job on my turf.

want to make this situation better?

realize the 'pen is mightier than the wall'

realize the WOL is full of DC incumbents screaming about immigration, while creating every opportunity in legislature for them to come work here

~S~

We did realize that. There were a lot of incumbent politicians in the REpublican primary, and we defeated them to bring in the outsider, who seemed more serious about the issue.



AND we are seeing, even with the little bit that TRump is doing, significant improvements in lower end wages, for the first time in a long time.


We should do MORE of that. AND BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

We should do MORE of that. AND BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

You are so right

If anti trumpsters seriously want to stop the flood of illegal aliens entering this country but have other ideas about the solution we can do both at the same time

And I will support their efforts along with building the wall

But for 35 years before trump all we got was talk but no action

 

[sparky]

The wall is a joke Mac

IF 'we' really wanted to stop illegal immigration, we'd have our military protecting our boarders , not some other countries boarders.

It'd be far more cost effective to man machine gun nests every 500 yards, and let illegal corpses rot in the sun on the other side

stop me if i sound too 'liberal' or 'leftie'.....like our potus panders to

~S~

 

[Mac-7]

The wall is a joke Mac

IF 'we' really wanted to stop illegal immigration, we'd have our military protecting our boarders , not some other countries boarders.

It'd be far more cost effective to man machine gun nests every 500 yards, and let illegal corpses rot in the sun on the other side

stop me if i sound too 'liberal' or 'leftie'.....like our potus panders to

~S~

Whether you are a lib or not you are serving the liberal cause

The wall by itself will not stop illegals but it will help

Yes we need more people at the border

instead of fighting against the wall you should be fighting for troops to assist the border patrol

 

[Correll]

The wall is a joke Mac

IF 'we' really wanted to stop illegal immigration, we'd have our military protecting our boarders , not some other countries boarders.

It'd be far more cost effective to man machine gun nests every 500 yards, and let illegal corpses rot in the sun on the other side

stop me if i sound too 'liberal' or 'leftie'.....like our potus panders to

~S~

You know who agrees with you on the Wall? THose incumbents.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Okay Admiral, I'll walk you through this because I actually like you. You're a fairly straight shooter and have shared some interesting perspectives..
That said we begin here with you asserting the following:

Most CEOs in this country started their business,

.. which I quoted and asked you for a link ..
.. you got mad, attacked, and provided none ..

Do you have any fucking clue what CEO means?

That's no logical response to the question. You just spazzed out there. I wanted to know where you read or heard this alleged statistical fact .. 'cause it struck me as bullshit.. which is what I subsequently communicated in response.

Pulled straight from your butt then. Figured.

You then double down on belligerently attacking your interlocutor instead of providing your source:

You have no idea what CEO means do you, and you are too dumb to Google. Pathetic!

Then you assert another whopper:

The owner of every small business is the CEO.

What if "the owner" is a partnership? What if it's just a subsidiary of another corporation? What if "the owner" cedes all control to others and wants nothing to do with running the damn thing? Google says nothing about it in any case. That's why I asked where you got it from..
Being a CEO doesn't make a business necessarily yours at all. CEOs come and go as Ray, for one, has pointed out. They are contract employees. Hired help. Businesses entice them to come work there by offering golden parachutes, stock options and so forth. But go ahead. Find some actual backup for your assertions and provide a link.. I'll be waiting..

Most CEOs in this country started their business,

The owner of every small business is the CEO.

You keep limiting your thinking to large corporations. That is your error.

If you want to claim you are correct, that is fine! You are just talking about larger companies. I was not.

 

[sparky]

The wall is a joke Mac

IF 'we' really wanted to stop illegal immigration, we'd have our military protecting our boarders , not some other countries boarders.

It'd be far more cost effective to man machine gun nests every 500 yards, and let illegal corpses rot in the sun on the other side

stop me if i sound too 'liberal' or 'leftie'.....like our potus panders to

~S~

You know who agrees with you on the Wall? THose incumbents.

who also swing for their corporate masters >>>>

so if you're insinuating they're telling us one thing, while legislating another . i'll agree , and even provide proof>>>



~S~

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The wall is a joke Mac

IF 'we' really wanted to stop illegal immigration, we'd have our military protecting our boarders , not some other countries boarders.

It'd be far more cost effective to man machine gun nests every 500 yards, and let illegal corpses rot in the sun on the other side

stop me if i sound too 'liberal' or 'leftie'.....like our potus panders to

~S~

Are you kidding? Look what the left and the MSM did because some kid didn't get a toothbrush. AOC got so upset she had to go to a baseball field someplace where kids were playing to cry for them through a fence.

The best solution to this is to make being here illegally a felony. It would carry a 5 year minimum prison sentence; that's minimum for the first offense. Pass that law today, and give everybody until February 1st of next year to be out of this country one way or another.

No more border crossers, no more Visa overstays, and most of the illegals residing here will find a way to get out of our country.

It won't solve all our problems, but I'd be willing to bet at least 95% of them. As for border deterrents:

Where do Border Fences work? Everywhere

https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

Hungary credits razor wire border fence for almost 100 percent drop in illegal migration

 

[initforme]

How about hiring 2 new border officers per mile of fence to patrol it? Only makes sense.

 

[Redfish]

ahem>>>

~S~

I love that moronic $6.2 billion claim. Hilarious!!!

How much do we pay to provide food, housing and healthcare support to Walmart employees?

Walmart pays what it legally is supposed to pay their workers. So the problem isn’t Walmart the problem is the government and when the Democrat held the House and the Senate they didn’t address the issue. So it seems like both parties are a failure and it isn’t a priority, yet we vote for them, so why change?

When the Democrats held the House and Senate in 2009, they raised the minimum wage

It hasn’t been raised since

If not for 10s of millions of illegal aliens living in America the minimum wage would rise naturally

liberals do not understand the laws of supply and demand. Mainly because there is no demand for their bullshit.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Okay Admiral, I'll walk you through this because I actually like you. You're a fairly straight shooter and have shared some interesting perspectives..
That said we begin here with you asserting the following:

Most CEOs in this country started their business,

.. which I quoted and asked you for a link ..
.. you got mad, attacked, and provided none ..

Do you have any fucking clue what CEO means?

That's no logical response to the question. You just spazzed out there. I wanted to know where you read or heard this alleged statistical fact .. 'cause it struck me as bullshit.. which is what I subsequently communicated in response.

Pulled straight from your butt then. Figured.

You then double down on belligerently attacking your interlocutor instead of providing your source:

You have no idea what CEO means do you, and you are too dumb to Google. Pathetic!

Then you assert another whopper:

The owner of every small business is the CEO.

What if "the owner" is a partnership? What if it's just a subsidiary of another corporation? What if "the owner" cedes all control to others and wants nothing to do with running the damn thing? Google says nothing about it in any case. That's why I asked where you got it from..
Being a CEO doesn't make a business necessarily yours at all. CEOs come and go as Ray, for one, has pointed out. They are contract employees. Hired help. Businesses entice them to come work there by offering golden parachutes, stock options and so forth. But go ahead. Find some actual backup for your assertions and provide a link.. I'll be waiting..

Most CEOs in this country started their business,

The owner of every small business is the CEO.

You keep limiting your thinking to large corporations. That is your error.

If you want to claim you are correct, that is fine! You are just talking about larger companies. I was not.

No, I've claimed nothing explicit related to size. Your second claim mentions "small business" but not the first. You provide zero backup for either claim. I've simply provided some reasons why your claims appear to make no sense.. thus the need for backup, clarifications, or retractions. If, for example, you meant for "small business" to apply to both then say so. But also define what you mean by "small business" for mercy's sake.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Okay Admiral, I'll walk you through this because I actually like you. You're a fairly straight shooter and have shared some interesting perspectives..
That said we begin here with you asserting the following:

Most CEOs in this country started their business,

.. which I quoted and asked you for a link ..
.. you got mad, attacked, and provided none ..

Do you have any fucking clue what CEO means?

That's no logical response to the question. You just spazzed out there. I wanted to know where you read or heard this alleged statistical fact .. 'cause it struck me as bullshit.. which is what I subsequently communicated in response.

Pulled straight from your butt then. Figured.

You then double down on belligerently attacking your interlocutor instead of providing your source:

You have no idea what CEO means do you, and you are too dumb to Google. Pathetic!

Then you assert another whopper:

The owner of every small business is the CEO.

What if "the owner" is a partnership? What if it's just a subsidiary of another corporation? What if "the owner" cedes all control to others and wants nothing to do with running the damn thing? Google says nothing about it in any case. That's why I asked where you got it from..
Being a CEO doesn't make a business necessarily yours at all. CEOs come and go as Ray, for one, has pointed out. They are contract employees. Hired help. Businesses entice them to come work there by offering golden parachutes, stock options and so forth. But go ahead. Find some actual backup for your assertions and provide a link.. I'll be waiting..

Most CEOs in this country started their business,

The owner of every small business is the CEO.

You keep limiting your thinking to large corporations. That is your error.

If you want to claim you are correct, that is fine! You are just talking about larger companies. I was not.

No, I've claimed nothing explicit related to size. Your second claim mentions "small business" but not the first. You provide zero backup for either claim. I've simply provided some reasons why your claims appear to make no sense.. thus the need for backup, clarifications, or retractions. If, for example, you meant for "small business" to apply to both then say so. But also define what you mean by "small business" for mercy's sake.

You are boring the shit out of everyone and obviously not worth the time. You are just trolling with your ignorance as bait. STFU and go back to whatever you did before you disgraced yourself with your presence on this message board. Staying will not be fun for you!

 

[Grumblenuts]

You are boring the shit out of everyone and obviously not worth the time. You are just trolling with your ignorance as bait. STFU and go back to whatever you did before you disgraced yourself with your presence on this message board. Staying will not be fun for you!

I love you too, Dear

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I love that moronic $6.2 billion claim. Hilarious!!!

How much do we pay to provide food, housing and healthcare support to Walmart employees?

Walmart pays what it legally is supposed to pay their workers. So the problem isn’t Walmart the problem is the government and when the Democrat held the House and the Senate they didn’t address the issue. So it seems like both parties are a failure and it isn’t a priority, yet we vote for them, so why change?

When the Democrats held the House and Senate in 2009, they raised the minimum wage

It hasn’t been raised since

If not for 10s of millions of illegal aliens living in America the minimum wage would rise naturally

liberals do not understand the laws of supply and demand. Mainly because there is no demand for their bullshit.

They don't understand supply and demand, just like they don't understand action/ reaction. That's why they think when they increase taxes on the rich, they just sit there and take it.

 

[Redfish]

How much do we pay to provide food, housing and healthcare support to Walmart employees?

Walmart pays what it legally is supposed to pay their workers. So the problem isn’t Walmart the problem is the government and when the Democrat held the House and the Senate they didn’t address the issue. So it seems like both parties are a failure and it isn’t a priority, yet we vote for them, so why change?

When the Democrats held the House and Senate in 2009, they raised the minimum wage

It hasn’t been raised since

If not for 10s of millions of illegal aliens living in America the minimum wage would rise naturally

liberals do not understand the laws of supply and demand. Mainly because there is no demand for their bullshit.

They don't understand supply and demand, just like they don't understand action/ reaction. That's why they think when they increase taxes on the rich, they just sit there and take it.

and they don't understand why rich people are leaving california and NY in droves to Texas and Florida.

 

[Mac-7]

I love that moronic $6.2 billion claim. Hilarious!!!

How much do we pay to provide food, housing and healthcare support to Walmart employees?

Walmart pays what it legally is supposed to pay their workers. So the problem isn’t Walmart the problem is the government and when the Democrat held the House and the Senate they didn’t address the issue. So it seems like both parties are a failure and it isn’t a priority, yet we vote for them, so why change?

When the Democrats held the House and Senate in 2009, they raised the minimum wage

It hasn’t been raised since

If not for 10s of millions of illegal aliens living in America the minimum wage would rise naturally

liberals do not understand the laws of supply and demand. Mainly because there is no demand for their bullshit.

They dream os a socialist paradise where everyone is on welfare

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You are boring the shit out of everyone and obviously not worth the time. You are just trolling with your ignorance as bait. STFU and go back to whatever you did before you disgraced yourself with your presence on this message board. Staying will not be fun for you!

I love you too, Dear

I hate using the word hate, but that is how I feel about you, dumbass! Goodbye moron!

 

[Grumblenuts]

You are boring the shit out of everyone and obviously not worth the time. You are just trolling with your ignorance as bait. STFU and go back to whatever you did before you disgraced yourself with your presence on this message board. Staying will not be fun for you!

I love you too, Dear

I hate using the word hate, but that is how I feel about you, dumbass! Goodbye moron!

Express yourself! Get it all out there, big fella. Bullshit rules!