American Bar Association: LGBT people entitled to basic human rights & protections

[Delta4Embassy]

The Randy Report: American Bar Association: LGBT people entitled to basic human rights & protections

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KUDOS to the American Bar Association for their wonderful resolution that people should take good notice of and heed.

Thanks Captain Obvious

 

[Delta4Embassy]

They don't already have "basic human rights"?


What a dumb ass retarded thread. They're so oppressed they don't have their own parades or an abnormal % of representation on network tv.

*facepalm*

No basic human rights here in Missouri. Can't get married, can be evicted from an apartment for being gay, fired or refused employment for being gay, etc.

Next time you wanna stick your foot in your mouth, be sure your toenails are clean.

 

[Kosh]

Something that the far left does not understand, is nothing is stopping same sex marriage, it just that they want to government to recognize it. So they can plunder another's Social Security money.

Explains why the far left is for it.

Get the government out of the business of "Marriage".

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Something that the far left does not understand, is nothing is stopping same sex marriage, it just that they want to government to recognize it. So they can plunder another's Social Security money.

Explains why the far left is for it.

Get the government out of the business of "Marriage".

Section 451-022 Public policy, same sex marriages prohi
Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 451
Marriage, Marriage Contracts, and Rights of Married Women
Section 451.022

August 28, 2013


Public policy, same sex marriages prohibited--license may not be issued.

451.022. 1. It is the public policy of this state to recognize marriage only between a man and a woman.

2. Any purported marriage not between a man and a woman is invalid.

3. No recorder shall issue a marriage license, except to a man and a woman.

4. A marriage between persons of the same sex will not be recognized for any purpose in this state even when valid where contracted.


Missouri government recognizes it just fine. And says "no!"

Check your toenails Kosh.

 

[PoliticalTorch]

They don't already have "basic human rights"?


What a dumb ass retarded thread. They're so oppressed they don't have their own parades or an abnormal % of representation on network tv.

*facepalm*

No, they don't already have BASIC human rights as they are being tightly and unfairly withheld by bigotry, hate, and discrimination. That is obvious. If they did they wouldn't be out fighting as they are. As far as parades and whatever national t.v. you're referring to, again, that is a good way to bring these matters to the table and bring focus to them so that one day, hopefully soon, every LGBT citizen will be able to truly have and embrace their rightful human rights as Heterosexuals have and enjoy and as has been guaranteed to all citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Gays and Lesbians should not be having to fight bigots who want to withhold that from them. That should be automatically guaranteed to each and every person and citizen of these United States. They should expect nothing less and should continue to work tirelessly, with great tenacity, vigor, and strength towards achieving that goal and those rights that they are so very much deserving of.

 

[Stephanie]

probably more people shack up in this day and age then get married, yet here they are

all over marriage...they can still take the other to court and take everything they have if they split if that what they're worried about. they don't have to be married

good grief, its' never ending

the majority of the people are against slavery, they don't whine over that
the majority of the people are AGAINST homosexual marriage, they WHINE over that and are going to FORCE on you one or another

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Which came first, basic human rights & protections or the LGBT?

'Tis a no-brainer.

Well we could say that LGBT citizens have always existed but they have unfortunately not always been afforded basic human rights and protections. Therefore, this is a resolution whose time has come.

If we said that we would be lying, therefore, we will not say it.

You, however, are still free to lie, you seem to think you are good at it.

Of course you would be lying. That is obvious. As when would you ever acknowledge the fact that all LGBT citizens have their basic human and civil rights as has been GUARANTEED to them under the Fourteenth Amendment?

And it's no lie. Just pure truth about what is happening when bigots are allowed to get a hold of a bigger piece of the pie and leave others on the outside looking in.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

It shouldn't be as God forbids it. We shouldn't have a minority of people so small of a percentage in population to monopolize and desecrate a moral American tradition that has been one of the cornerstone founding principles that has sustained this country since it's inception.

God didn't forbid same sex couples getting married. And our country wasn't founded on marriage.

There isn't minority trying to monopolize anything, it's just trying to break a monopoly of the majority. That was a founding principle.

You're right. And centuries ago Same-Sex Marriage was certainly allowed, as a scholarly university professor and Chairman of the History Department of Yale, a prestigious university, found out. Everyone should read this scholarly article.

Anthropologist Community - When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

Neither the first, nor 'correct link' link on that livejournal link work to get the original article. But I saved the webpage and put it in my 'things to mess with homophobes heads' dir.

Looking for the original I find references to it by the Jesuits here,
Internet History Sourcebooks Project

"Another Version of a Union Rite
By Nicholas Zymaris [independent Orthodox scholar]

INTRODUCTION [by Zymaris]

This service is a rite of the Eastern Orthodox Church dating from very early times and assuming its present form between the fourth and ninth centuries AD."

And another version here, though still not the original,
WHEN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS A CHRISTIAN RITE1


Only been looking for a few minutes but it seems like the Powers used that thing in one of the Batman movies that scours the internet erasing all trace of you but on the article.

 

[PoliticalTorch]

probably more people shack up in this day and age then get married, yet here they are

all over marriage...they can still take the other to court and take everything they have if they split if that what they're worried about. they don't have to be married

good grief, its' never ending

the majority of the people are against slavery, they don't whine over that
the majority of the people are AGAINST homosexual marriage, they WHINE over that and are going to FORCE on you one or another

You're wrong again, Steph, and right on schedule. The majority of people in this country are not against same-sex marriage, they are FOR it. The number now stands at between 55-59% of Americans now for it fyi.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

probably more people shack up in this day and age then get married, yet here they are

all over marriage...they can still take the other to court and take everything they have if they split if that what they're worried about. they don't have to be married

good grief, its' never ending

the majority of the people are against slavery, they don't whine over that
the majority of the people are AGAINST homosexual marriage, they WHINE over that and are going to FORCE on you one or another

"About half of all Americans (52%) believe that same-sex marriage should be legal in all states while 43% are opposed, according to a recent survey by the Gallup Organization."
Study: Opposition to same-sex marriage may be understated in public opinion polls | Pew Research Center

Were you absent from school when they discussed what majority/minority was?

 

[Silhouette]

The Randy Report: American Bar Association: LGBT people entitled to basic human rights & protections

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KUDOS to the American Bar Association for their wonderful resolution that people should take good notice of and heed.

Just not the "right" to rewrite marraige against the Will of the Governed. Sure, nobody should beat them up or refuse to employ them unless their untreated sexual exhibitionism gets in the way of work [seen that a million times]. But allow them to play "mommy and daddy" to our nation's children, our future under the blessing/reward of marriage?

Nah.

The American Bar Association's opinion, for what it's worth, stands opposed to the opinions of some 49 countries in Europe on the matter of marriage at least: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...urt-rules-gay-marriage-not-a-human-right.html

 

[PoliticalTorch]

The Randy Report: American Bar Association: LGBT people entitled to basic human rights & protections

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KUDOS to the American Bar Association for their wonderful resolution that people should take good notice of and heed.

No one needs to be entitled with rights, they are born with them, and those rights do not give anyone the right to demand anything of anyone else.

Now, to address the resolution, what good does the ABA think it is going to do to pass a resolution against laws in other countries?

Yes, we were ALL born with rights no doubt about that but I only wish Conservatives knew and understood that.

But the problem stems from the fact that those who think they are better and superior to others will deny those they think are beneath them of those rights therefore marginalizing them. When they do that then many people inevitably suffer and that is not good. And that is why they have to continue their struggle and fight for Equality that they are so deserving of due to those inalienable rights that they were given in this fine country under the Fourteenth Amendment.

As to the resolution, it primarily helps LGBT citizens right here in this country. And while there is no doubt they would hope it would also have a far-reaching effect into other countries also, we are concerned with our own at the moment and that is the main goal. We can and will, however, continue the fight to try to change bigoted minds and hearts in other countries as well.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

The Randy Report: American Bar Association: LGBT people entitled to basic human rights & protections

------------------------------------------------------------
KUDOS to the American Bar Association for their wonderful resolution that people should take good notice of and heed.

Just not the "right" to rewrite marraige against the Will of the Governed. Sure, nobody should beat them up or refuse to employ them unless their untreated sexual exhibitionism gets in the way of work [seen that a million times]. But allow them to play "mommy and daddy" to our nation's children, our future under the blessing/reward of marriage?

Nah.

The American Bar Association's opinion, for what it's worth, stands opposed to the opinions of some 49 countries in Europe on the matter of marriage at least: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...urt-rules-gay-marriage-not-a-human-right.html

People need to actually read that European article. It's not forbidding gay marriage or saying it's not a human right. It's about a transgendered couple needing to get divorced to have their marriage recognized by the country in question. Presumedly because the SRS occured after the original marriage and since they want the 'updated status' recognized they need to 're-file.'

 

[PoliticalTorch]

The Randy Report: American Bar Association: LGBT people entitled to basic human rights & protections

------------------------------------------------------------
KUDOS to the American Bar Association for their wonderful resolution that people should take good notice of and heed.

Just not the "right" to rewrite marraige against the Will of the Governed. Sure, nobody should beat them up or refuse to employ them unless their untreated sexual exhibitionism gets in the way of work [seen that a million times]. But allow them to play "mommy and daddy" to our nation's children, our future under the blessing/reward of marriage?

Nah.

The American Bar Association's opinion, for what it's worth, stands opposed to the opinions of some 49 countries in Europe on the matter of marriage at least: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...urt-rules-gay-marriage-not-a-human-right.html

The resolution of the American Bar Association stands right in line with what a MAJORITY of people right here in this country now reflect. The number stands high from a good majority of people who are In Favor of rights for LGBT citizens and who support same-sex marriage. In fact, news reports have brought out that Heterosexuals were shocked to hear that LGBT citizens did not already have those same basic rights as they do in employment, schooling, acquiring living quarters, etc.

And while bigotry and discrimination remains high in other foreign countries, the resolution by the ABA serves to hopefully open those people's eyes to the fact that they are wrong on that issue and should therefore change their stance in order to be equitable to the citizens in their respective countries who are now suffering and have in the past from bigotry and discrimination based solely on who they are and whom they love.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

They don't already have "basic human rights"?


What a dumb ass retarded thread. They're so oppressed they don't have their own parades or an abnormal % of representation on network tv.

*facepalm*

No, they don’t.

That you believe otherwise and exhibit your hate, stupidity, and ignorance concerning gay Americans is proof of that.

Excuse me, oh he who is always wrong, the resolution was aimed at other countries that deny them the rights they already have, and your narrow focus on hot button issues that have nothing to do with fundamental human rights just makes you look like an idiot.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It shouldn't be as God forbids it. We shouldn't have a minority of people so small of a percentage in population to monopolize and desecrate a moral American tradition that has been one of the cornerstone founding principles that has sustained this country since it's inception.

God didn't forbid same sex couples getting married. And our country wasn't founded on marriage.

There isn't minority trying to monopolize anything, it's just trying to break a monopoly of the majority. That was a founding principle.

You're right. And centuries ago Same-Sex Marriage was certainly allowed, as a scholarly university professor and Chairman of the History Department of Yale, a prestigious university, found out. Everyone should read this scholarly article.

Anthropologist Community - When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

You are quite adept at finding bogus articles to support your delusions, you should be thankful you have a talent that is so useless in the real world. this one was so good that even the corrected link leads to a dead end.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

They don't already have "basic human rights"?


What a dumb ass retarded thread. They're so oppressed they don't have their own parades or an abnormal % of representation on network tv.

*facepalm*

No basic human rights here in Missouri. Can't get married, can be evicted from an apartment for being gay, fired or refused employment for being gay, etc.

Next time you wanna stick your foot in your mouth, be sure your toenails are clean.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the resolution that you didn't read.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

They don't already have "basic human rights"?


What a dumb ass retarded thread. They're so oppressed they don't have their own parades or an abnormal % of representation on network tv.

*facepalm*

No, they don't already have BASIC human rights as they are being tightly and unfairly withheld by bigotry, hate, and discrimination. That is obvious. If they did they wouldn't be out fighting as they are. As far as parades and whatever national t.v. you're referring to, again, that is a good way to bring these matters to the table and bring focus to them so that one day, hopefully soon, every LGBT citizen will be able to truly have and embrace their rightful human rights as Heterosexuals have and enjoy and as has been guaranteed to all citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Gays and Lesbians should not be having to fight bigots who want to withhold that from them. That should be automatically guaranteed to each and every person and citizen of these United States. They should expect nothing less and should continue to work tirelessly, with great tenacity, vigor, and strength towards achieving that goal and those rights that they are so very much deserving of.

If they didn't have basic human rights in this country they wouldn't be able to have those parades. That might explain why the resolution you posted a link to, but didn't read, is calling for changes in the laws of other countries than the US.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well we could say that LGBT citizens have always existed but they have unfortunately not always been afforded basic human rights and protections. Therefore, this is a resolution whose time has come.

If we said that we would be lying, therefore, we will not say it.

You, however, are still free to lie, you seem to think you are good at it.

Of course you would be lying. That is obvious. As when would you ever acknowledge the fact that all LGBT citizens have their basic human and civil rights as has been GUARANTEED to them under the Fourteenth Amendment?

And it's no lie. Just pure truth about what is happening when bigots are allowed to get a hold of a bigger piece of the pie and leave others on the outside looking in.

The 14th Amendment is applicable to everyone in this country, even gays. the fact that I have to point this out to you, despite the fact that I have already done so on may occasions, indicates to everyone who can think that all the bigotry in our conversation is coming from you, not me. I have repeatedly stated my position, and you have repeatedly ignored it in favor of trying to gain the high ground by attacking positions I do not advocate whenever you respond to me.

In other words, all you have is lies.

Take all the fucking pie your bigoted little heart desires, just don't expect any of that pie to be the part that belongs to me, or anyone else who actually understands the concept of rights versus entitlements.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

God didn't forbid same sex couples getting married. And our country wasn't founded on marriage.

There isn't minority trying to monopolize anything, it's just trying to break a monopoly of the majority. That was a founding principle.

You're right. And centuries ago Same-Sex Marriage was certainly allowed, as a scholarly university professor and Chairman of the History Department of Yale, a prestigious university, found out. Everyone should read this scholarly article.

Anthropologist Community - When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

Neither the first, nor 'correct link' link on that livejournal link work to get the original article. But I saved the webpage and put it in my 'things to mess with homophobes heads' dir.

Looking for the original I find references to it by the Jesuits here,
Internet History Sourcebooks Project

"Another Version of a Union Rite
By Nicholas Zymaris [independent Orthodox scholar]

INTRODUCTION [by Zymaris]

This service is a rite of the Eastern Orthodox Church dating from very early times and assuming its present form between the fourth and ninth centuries AD."

And another version here, though still not the original,
WHEN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS A CHRISTIAN RITE1


Only been looking for a few minutes but it seems like the Powers used that thing in one of the Batman movies that scours the internet erasing all trace of you but on the article.

You have no idea how the world works, do you?