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America’s Founders Were Deeply Religious
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And your point is?Colonial Massachusetts Bay Colony where they FORCED people to go to church for hours at a time, hung people who they called witches and either hung or banished those who didn't toe the line.No one is phrasing it that way but you.Judeo Christian values, apart from the Spiritual belief parts - were normal secular societal values. The way you charlatans phrase it is as though the cart came before the horse - it didn't. Judeo Christian values that weren't adopted were the more ridiculous and barbaric ones - the notion of picking and choosing alludes to the obvious...leaving you sillies to figure that out for yourselves.I don’t believe that’s what her statement means.Wait. Do you really think that things like do not murder, do not steal, respect property etc. originated in the Bible?All of our laws ,amendments and morals are based on the Bible.
Without a moral nation you are seeing the results of lawlessness like we are seeing now.
Our founders created a document based on a political theory of natural rights, public policies based on moral conditions of freedom.
Without self morals you have lawlessness where anything and everything is acceptable.
Totally opposite of what we are.
With lawlessness you need more government control over those who are lawless.
LOL!
The Bible was the number one best selling book in colonial America. The number two best selling book was the New England Primer which relies exclusively on the Bible. So Judaeo Christian principles were prevalent in early America and their understanding of morality and virtue were derived from the Judaeo Christian religion because that’s what was taught and passed down.
We phrased it exactly as it was. Judaeo Christian values informed colonial American values.
Actually you have never spoken the truth hereReally kid you are calling another person a dope
I always speak the truth.
Then you should be able to point out any untruths here....
That refers to the Judeo-Christian faith. Compare this fact with the elites of the major political party today, and the schools they oversee, teaching quite the reverse.
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Last week Att’y Gen William Barr gave a speech about the importance of having a religious America. And, of course, he was attacked for it.
1.“United States Attorney General William Barr spoke at Notre Dame Law School [enemies of religion] raced to warn us of our impending doom. Also as per usual, in their screeds were seeds of the very things Barr described.
…RefuseFascism.org, which proclaimed in a headline, “At Notre Dame, William Barr Lays Out a Christian Fascist Nightmare.”
…writer Joan Walsh described Barr as "a paranoid right-wing Catholic ideologue who won't respect the separation of church and state." She mocked the Catholic men's service group Knights of Columbus (of which Barr has been a member) as "a patriarchal cosplay group." Walsh's distaste for Catholicism is matched only by her evident loathing of evangelicals. She writes: "(I)t's worth noting that Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney were all also raised Catholic -- but Pence and Pompeo went one better than Barr and joined the official GOP denomination, White Evangelical Protestantism ... I couldn't wish these guys better company to spend time with in hell.
“From the Founding Era onward, there was strong consensus about the centrality of religious liberty in the United States.
The imperative of protecting religious freedom was not just a nod in the direction of piety. It reflects the Framers’ belief that religion was indispensable to sustaining our free system of government.
In his renowned 1785 pamphlet, “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments,” James Madison described religious liberty as “a right towards men” but “a duty towards the Creator,” and a “duty….precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society.
How does religion promote the moral discipline and virtue needed to support free government?
First, it gives us the right rules to live by. The Founding generation were Christians. They believed that the Judeo-Christian moral system corresponds to the true nature of man. Those moral precepts start with the two great commandments – to Love God with your whole heart, soul, and mind; and to Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.”
America’s great experiment with freedom needs religion
A Moral Citizenry Is Not a Theocracy
Faith is inseparable from liberty and freedom.
Rabid anti-religion bigots attacked Barr....hoping that all of America renounce the views of our Founders, that which made our nation the shining city on the hill.
If you agree with Barr about the relationship between religion and liberty, you cannot, of course, vote Democrat.
Actually, the Founding Fathers knew that separating religion from government was in the best interest of the governed.
That is why they crafted a Constitutional that was secular in words and intent.
Thump your bible elsewhere.
Secular government was invented by progressive academia .
You all ignore that everyday the house and senate open with prayer and guidance from one creator.
And baseball games open with the national anthem but that doesn't mean the game has jack friggety squat to do with jingoism. It just means somebody's trying to milk a captive audience.
Who do you think the native indigenous peoples of the Americas were talking about when they say
the great spirit?
A single deity.
One creator .
Not a sun god or mother earth god.
"The indigenous peoples of the Americas" is in NO WAY a monolithic single entity, any more than the indigenous peoples of Europe, Asia or Africa would be. To suggest that ALL of them somehow subscribed to the same monotheistic spiritual worldview -- or the same culture, language, values, etc --- is to confess that one has just lumped dozens (hundreds) of distinct cultures into a single bag because one didn't take the time to discern the myriad distinctions. It's like supposing that because a person comes from Nigeria they "speak African".
Certainly "sun gods" or "mother earth gods"/goddesses have been a common theme among peoples of all of these continents (including Europe). Monotheism, and in fact any kind of theism, is by no means a universal.
"Gods" in fact is a misleading term since it leads us to imagine that some "primitive tribe" simply takes a different approach where "god" (small G) is just their flavor of the same bearded old man in the sky fairy tale we get told. And that's inaccurate. Animists believe in a life energy that inhabits everything and that such a spirit embodies the character of the eagle, or the tree, or the fire. So what they're really involved with is energies, not necessarily anthropomorphized "gods". Natures if you like. But these do not require a creator, and certainly not a single one.
Besides which, as long as we're on the monotheism trip --- how do we arrive at a single all-by-himself God that is male? The one gender that doesn't reproduce, really? WHO is the female who makes God "male"? Why is he a "he" and not an "it"? That's a whole can o' worms but it's off the topic here.
None of which has anything to do with the Constitution anyway, nor does what this or that contributor to said Constitution held as a personal belief, since nothing in that document was about supernatural or theological matters anyway.
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Our Founding Fathers intended to avoid the mistake of setting up an official state religion. They saw the problems with this in Europe and elsewhere. What they did not do is :1) codify some kind of rule that would prohibit the church from influencing the state. They were more concerned with protecting the church from influence by the state.
In other words the Federal Government
God has always been honored through opening prayer and guidance everyday.
Note that every President we have had was either a Protestant or in the case of JFK a Catholic of some description.
The word secular comes from the Latin ‘saeculum, saeculorum which simply means of the age. Thus for example in ancient Rome, the ‘secular’ games were game's which ended a particular era, a particular period of time. In medieval Christian circles it referred to Christians not bound by the vows of monks or nuns.
This has been misconstrued by the radical far left academia's twisted beliefs back in the 1960's of our government being secular.
It has never, nor will be, that you cancel God out at the doors before becoming a public servant.
It's been credibly suggested that Lincoln (for one) was an atheist.
It's also utterly irrelevant.
Do they have to do it? And do they have to do a specific religion? And show us where the "opening prayer" is required by the Constitution.Whether worshipping god or gods or statues or golden icons.I once saw a post from a dunce who claimed that the Church of England worshipped their king as God.
Oh....wait.....that imbecile was you!!!!
"Besides the founding fathers were members of the Church of England of which the King was God."
Does A Religion Need A God?
THE KING OF ENGLAND WAS NOT GOD, YOU IMBECILE!!!!!!!w
And no one worships Washington as God.
We believers worship God.
Worship all the god you wish.
Just remember that the FF's intentionally kept your gods out of the Constitution.
Not Gods
God
If that were true both houses would never have had opening prayer.
Nothing to do with the Constitution.
You're the one ignoring both the house and senate with opening prayer everyday.
Or indeed how it has any function whatsoever related to what they're supposed to be doing in there.
That refers to the Judeo-Christian faith. Compare this fact with the elites of the major political party today, and the schools they oversee, teaching quite the reverse.
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Last week Att’y Gen William Barr gave a speech about the importance of having a religious America. And, of course, he was attacked for it.
1.“United States Attorney General William Barr spoke at Notre Dame Law School [enemies of religion] raced to warn us of our impending doom. Also as per usual, in their screeds were seeds of the very things Barr described.
…RefuseFascism.org, which proclaimed in a headline, “At Notre Dame, William Barr Lays Out a Christian Fascist Nightmare.”
…writer Joan Walsh described Barr as "a paranoid right-wing Catholic ideologue who won't respect the separation of church and state." She mocked the Catholic men's service group Knights of Columbus (of which Barr has been a member) as "a patriarchal cosplay group." Walsh's distaste for Catholicism is matched only by her evident loathing of evangelicals. She writes: "(I)t's worth noting that Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney were all also raised Catholic -- but Pence and Pompeo went one better than Barr and joined the official GOP denomination, White Evangelical Protestantism ... I couldn't wish these guys better company to spend time with in hell.
“From the Founding Era onward, there was strong consensus about the centrality of religious liberty in the United States.
The imperative of protecting religious freedom was not just a nod in the direction of piety. It reflects the Framers’ belief that religion was indispensable to sustaining our free system of government.
In his renowned 1785 pamphlet, “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments,” James Madison described religious liberty as “a right towards men” but “a duty towards the Creator,” and a “duty….precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society.
How does religion promote the moral discipline and virtue needed to support free government?
First, it gives us the right rules to live by. The Founding generation were Christians. They believed that the Judeo-Christian moral system corresponds to the true nature of man. Those moral precepts start with the two great commandments – to Love God with your whole heart, soul, and mind; and to Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.”
America’s great experiment with freedom needs religion
A Moral Citizenry Is Not a Theocracy
Faith is inseparable from liberty and freedom.
Rabid anti-religion bigots attacked Barr....hoping that all of America renounce the views of our Founders, that which made our nation the shining city on the hill.
If you agree with Barr about the relationship between religion and liberty, you cannot, of course, vote Democrat.
Usual PC idiocy.
I figured out why she used to prance around in that Supergirl costume.
Coming here from Krypton gave her the power of Super Non-vision.
Who do you think the native indigenous peoples of the Americas were talking about when they say
the great spirit?
A single deity.
One creator .
Not a sun god or mother earth god.
"The indigenous peoples of the Americas" is in NO WAY a monolithic single entity, any more than the indigenous peoples of Europe, Asia or Africa would be. To suggest that ALL of them somehow subscribed to the same monotheistic spiritual worldview -- or the same culture, language, values, etc --- is to confess that one has just lumped dozens (hundreds) of distinct cultures into a single bag because one didn't take the time to discern the myriad distinctions. It's like supposing that because a person comes from Nigeria they "speak African".
Certainly "sun gods" or "mother earth gods"/goddesses have been a common theme among peoples of all of these continents (including Europe). Monotheism, and in fact any kind of theism, is by no means a universal.
"Gods" in fact is a misleading term since it leads us to imagine that some "primitive tribe" simply takes a different approach where "god" (small G) is just their flavor of the same bearded old man in the sky fairy tale we get told. And that's inaccurate. Animists believe in a life energy that inhabits everything and that such a spirit embodies the character of the eagle, or the tree, or the fire. So what they're really involved with is energies, not necessarily anthropomorphized "gods". Natures if you like. But these do not require a creator, and certainly not a single one.
Besides which, as long as we're on the monotheism trip --- how do we arrive at a single all-by-himself God that is male? The one gender that doesn't reproduce, really? WHO is the female who makes God "male"? Why is he a "he" and not an "it"? That's a whole can o' worms but it's off the topic here.
None of which has anything to do with the Constitution anyway, nor does what this or that contributor to said Constitution held as a personal belief, since nothing in that document was about supernatural or theological matters anyway.
I’ve always wondered why....well, not really, the Jesus is depicted in western culture as a rather tall, WASP’y, fair-haired, fair-skinned guy, often with blue eyes.
Who would have thought?
Who do you think the native indigenous peoples of the Americas were talking about when they say
the great spirit?
A single deity.
One creator .
Not a sun god or mother earth god.
"The indigenous peoples of the Americas" is in NO WAY a monolithic single entity, any more than the indigenous peoples of Europe, Asia or Africa would be. To suggest that ALL of them somehow subscribed to the same monotheistic spiritual worldview -- or the same culture, language, values, etc --- is to confess that one has just lumped dozens (hundreds) of distinct cultures into a single bag because one didn't take the time to discern the myriad distinctions. It's like supposing that because a person comes from Nigeria they "speak African".
Certainly "sun gods" or "mother earth gods"/goddesses have been a common theme among peoples of all of these continents (including Europe). Monotheism, and in fact any kind of theism, is by no means a universal.
"Gods" in fact is a misleading term since it leads us to imagine that some "primitive tribe" simply takes a different approach where "god" (small G) is just their flavor of the same bearded old man in the sky fairy tale we get told. And that's inaccurate. Animists believe in a life energy that inhabits everything and that such a spirit embodies the character of the eagle, or the tree, or the fire. So what they're really involved with is energies, not necessarily anthropomorphized "gods". Natures if you like. But these do not require a creator, and certainly not a single one.
Besides which, as long as we're on the monotheism trip --- how do we arrive at a single all-by-himself God that is male? The one gender that doesn't reproduce, really? WHO is the female who makes God "male"? Why is he a "he" and not an "it"? That's a whole can o' worms but it's off the topic here.
None of which has anything to do with the Constitution anyway, nor does what this or that contributor to said Constitution held as a personal belief, since nothing in that document was about supernatural or theological matters anyway.
I never suggested that they all were pogo.
I said ones who believed in the great spirit and his spirt lives in all creation.
What your arguing against is the religious believe system pretty much by late 1700's were in the high 90% range of belief in one creator.
And they did contribute to the constitution.
The Dems have moved from freedom of liberty through individual responsibility to ,we will tax heavily so that we can take care of everyone. Even if it bankrupts us.
That's totally opposite of our constitution.
Do they have to do it? And do they have to do a specific religion? And show us where the "opening prayer" is required by the Constitution.Whether worshipping god or gods or statues or golden icons.Worship all the god you wish.
Just remember that the FF's intentionally kept your gods out of the Constitution.
Not Gods
God
If that were true both houses would never have had opening prayer.
Nothing to do with the Constitution.
You're the one ignoring both the house and senate with opening prayer everyday.
Or indeed how it has any function whatsoever related to what they're supposed to be doing in there.
The prayer opening is for wisdom and guidance.
Who do you think the native indigenous peoples of the Americas were talking about when they say
the great spirit?
A single deity.
One creator .
Not a sun god or mother earth god.
"The indigenous peoples of the Americas" is in NO WAY a monolithic single entity, any more than the indigenous peoples of Europe, Asia or Africa would be. To suggest that ALL of them somehow subscribed to the same monotheistic spiritual worldview -- or the same culture, language, values, etc --- is to confess that one has just lumped dozens (hundreds) of distinct cultures into a single bag because one didn't take the time to discern the myriad distinctions. It's like supposing that because a person comes from Nigeria they "speak African".
Certainly "sun gods" or "mother earth gods"/goddesses have been a common theme among peoples of all of these continents (including Europe). Monotheism, and in fact any kind of theism, is by no means a universal.
"Gods" in fact is a misleading term since it leads us to imagine that some "primitive tribe" simply takes a different approach where "god" (small G) is just their flavor of the same bearded old man in the sky fairy tale we get told. And that's inaccurate. Animists believe in a life energy that inhabits everything and that such a spirit embodies the character of the eagle, or the tree, or the fire. So what they're really involved with is energies, not necessarily anthropomorphized "gods". Natures if you like. But these do not require a creator, and certainly not a single one.
Besides which, as long as we're on the monotheism trip --- how do we arrive at a single all-by-himself God that is male? The one gender that doesn't reproduce, really? WHO is the female who makes God "male"? Why is he a "he" and not an "it"? That's a whole can o' worms but it's off the topic here.
None of which has anything to do with the Constitution anyway, nor does what this or that contributor to said Constitution held as a personal belief, since nothing in that document was about supernatural or theological matters anyway.
I’ve always wondered why....well, not really, the Jesus is depicted in western culture as a rather tall, WASP’y, fair-haired, fair-skinned guy, often with blue eyes.
Who would have thought?
Who? I'm gonna guess tall WASPy fair-haired fair-skinned guys often with blue eyes, call it a hunch.
Welcome back.That refers to the Judeo-Christian faith. Compare this fact with the elites of the major political party today, and the schools they oversee, teaching quite the reverse.
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Last week Att’y Gen William Barr gave a speech about the importance of having a religious America. And, of course, he was attacked for it.
1.“United States Attorney General William Barr spoke at Notre Dame Law School [enemies of religion] raced to warn us of our impending doom. Also as per usual, in their screeds were seeds of the very things Barr described.
…RefuseFascism.org, which proclaimed in a headline, “At Notre Dame, William Barr Lays Out a Christian Fascist Nightmare.”
…writer Joan Walsh described Barr as "a paranoid right-wing Catholic ideologue who won't respect the separation of church and state." She mocked the Catholic men's service group Knights of Columbus (of which Barr has been a member) as "a patriarchal cosplay group." Walsh's distaste for Catholicism is matched only by her evident loathing of evangelicals. She writes: "(I)t's worth noting that Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney were all also raised Catholic -- but Pence and Pompeo went one better than Barr and joined the official GOP denomination, White Evangelical Protestantism ... I couldn't wish these guys better company to spend time with in hell.
“From the Founding Era onward, there was strong consensus about the centrality of religious liberty in the United States.
The imperative of protecting religious freedom was not just a nod in the direction of piety. It reflects the Framers’ belief that religion was indispensable to sustaining our free system of government.
In his renowned 1785 pamphlet, “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments,” James Madison described religious liberty as “a right towards men” but “a duty towards the Creator,” and a “duty….precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society.
How does religion promote the moral discipline and virtue needed to support free government?
First, it gives us the right rules to live by. The Founding generation were Christians. They believed that the Judeo-Christian moral system corresponds to the true nature of man. Those moral precepts start with the two great commandments – to Love God with your whole heart, soul, and mind; and to Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.”
America’s great experiment with freedom needs religion
A Moral Citizenry Is Not a Theocracy
Faith is inseparable from liberty and freedom.
Rabid anti-religion bigots attacked Barr....hoping that all of America renounce the views of our Founders, that which made our nation the shining city on the hill.
If you agree with Barr about the relationship between religion and liberty, you cannot, of course, vote Democrat.
Usual PC idiocy.
Who do you think the native indigenous peoples of the Americas were talking about when they say
the great spirit?
A single deity.
One creator .
Not a sun god or mother earth god.
"The indigenous peoples of the Americas" is in NO WAY a monolithic single entity, any more than the indigenous peoples of Europe, Asia or Africa would be. To suggest that ALL of them somehow subscribed to the same monotheistic spiritual worldview -- or the same culture, language, values, etc --- is to confess that one has just lumped dozens (hundreds) of distinct cultures into a single bag because one didn't take the time to discern the myriad distinctions. It's like supposing that because a person comes from Nigeria they "speak African".
Certainly "sun gods" or "mother earth gods"/goddesses have been a common theme among peoples of all of these continents (including Europe). Monotheism, and in fact any kind of theism, is by no means a universal.
"Gods" in fact is a misleading term since it leads us to imagine that some "primitive tribe" simply takes a different approach where "god" (small G) is just their flavor of the same bearded old man in the sky fairy tale we get told. And that's inaccurate. Animists believe in a life energy that inhabits everything and that such a spirit embodies the character of the eagle, or the tree, or the fire. So what they're really involved with is energies, not necessarily anthropomorphized "gods". Natures if you like. But these do not require a creator, and certainly not a single one.
Besides which, as long as we're on the monotheism trip --- how do we arrive at a single all-by-himself God that is male? The one gender that doesn't reproduce, really? WHO is the female who makes God "male"? Why is he a "he" and not an "it"? That's a whole can o' worms but it's off the topic here.
None of which has anything to do with the Constitution anyway, nor does what this or that contributor to said Constitution held as a personal belief, since nothing in that document was about supernatural or theological matters anyway.
I never suggested that they all were pogo.
I said ones who believed in the great spirit and his spirt lives in all creation.
What your arguing against is the religious believe system pretty much by late 1700's were in the high 90% range of belief in one creator.
And they did contribute to the constitution.
The Dems have moved from freedom of liberty through individual responsibility to ,we will tax heavily so that we can take care of everyone. Even if it bankrupts us.
That's totally opposite of our constitution.
None of this topic, nor the Constitution, has anything to do with "Dems" or with "taxing heavily".
This is the Religion/Ethics forum, not Politics. You can kinda tell it's the Ethics forum from the fact that it's generated by an OP who doesn't have any. She's shopping.
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Who do you think the native indigenous peoples of the Americas were talking about when they say
the great spirit?
A single deity.
One creator .
Not a sun god or mother earth god.
"The indigenous peoples of the Americas" is in NO WAY a monolithic single entity, any more than the indigenous peoples of Europe, Asia or Africa would be. To suggest that ALL of them somehow subscribed to the same monotheistic spiritual worldview -- or the same culture, language, values, etc --- is to confess that one has just lumped dozens (hundreds) of distinct cultures into a single bag because one didn't take the time to discern the myriad distinctions. It's like supposing that because a person comes from Nigeria they "speak African".
Certainly "sun gods" or "mother earth gods"/goddesses have been a common theme among peoples of all of these continents (including Europe). Monotheism, and in fact any kind of theism, is by no means a universal.
"Gods" in fact is a misleading term since it leads us to imagine that some "primitive tribe" simply takes a different approach where "god" (small G) is just their flavor of the same bearded old man in the sky fairy tale we get told. And that's inaccurate. Animists believe in a life energy that inhabits everything and that such a spirit embodies the character of the eagle, or the tree, or the fire. So what they're really involved with is energies, not necessarily anthropomorphized "gods". Natures if you like. But these do not require a creator, and certainly not a single one.
Besides which, as long as we're on the monotheism trip --- how do we arrive at a single all-by-himself God that is male? The one gender that doesn't reproduce, really? WHO is the female who makes God "male"? Why is he a "he" and not an "it"? That's a whole can o' worms but it's off the topic here.
None of which has anything to do with the Constitution anyway, nor does what this or that contributor to said Constitution held as a personal belief, since nothing in that document was about supernatural or theological matters anyway.
I never suggested that they all were pogo.
I said ones who believed in the great spirit and his spirt lives in all creation.
What your arguing against is the religious believe system pretty much by late 1700's were in the high 90% range of belief in one creator.
And they did contribute to the constitution.
The Dems have moved from freedom of liberty through individual responsibility to ,we will tax heavily so that we can take care of everyone. Even if it bankrupts us.
That's totally opposite of our constitution.
None of this topic, nor the Constitution, has anything to do with "Dems" or with "taxing heavily".
This is the Religion/Ethics forum, not Politics. You can kinda tell it's the Ethics forum from the fact that it's generated by an OP who doesn't have any.
It has everything to do with it.
Too bad so many seem unable to see it for what it is.
Were all to blame for this big mess.
Whereas the founding fathers of communism believed that communism could not exist without atheism.
Did they now.
Acts. Old Testament.
Nun so blind.
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The founding fathers believed that liberty and freedom could not exist without virtue and morality and that virtue and morality could not exist without religion.
No one can prove otherwise.
No one NEEDS to prove otherwise; it's not anyone else's job. It's YOURS to prove your assertion.
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The founding fathers believed that liberty and freedom could not exist without virtue and morality and that virtue and morality could not exist without religion.
No one can prove otherwise.
No one NEEDS to prove otherwise; it's not anyone else's job. It's YOURS to prove your assertion.
Now that you're here.....is there a reference to Jesus in the US Constitution?
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The founding fathers believed that liberty and freedom could not exist without virtue and morality and that virtue and morality could not exist without religion.
No one can prove otherwise.
"The founding fathers believed that liberty and freedom could not exist without virtue and morality and that virtue and morality could not exist without religion."
So you OPPOSE FREEDOM and support a nanny state theocracy.
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