An Honest Discussion of White Privilege, by Two White Guys

[RKMBrown]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Lying racist. Blacks are the ones with color based privilege through AA. How dumb do you have to be to believe AA is for white men?

 

[RKMBrown]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Assuming white privilege, as you describe it, exists, what do you think can/should be done about it?

I know. How about we pass civil rights laws making it illegal. Oh yeah we already did. This before we passed AA rules to make black privilege the law of the land. Yeah cause white privilege worked so well.

 

[Asclepias]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Assuming white privilege, as you describe it, exists, what do you think can/should be done about it?

Academically we can stop lying and pretending white people did anything more than take what they learned from other civilizations and use it as a foundation to advance themselves while holding back others. We shouldn't be celebrating people like Columbus as a hero since he was a bumbling ass and mass murderer that accidently landed in the Americas. He didn't discover America. the NA's were already here. Each ethnicity/race should learn about their contributions to World history and how their people saw the world before learning American history. Not some white persons version but the actual truth.

Economically, short of redistribution, AA or reparations are the only two things can be done unless someone comes up with something better. The problem with AA is that it affects low income whites and thats is why you see the low hanging fruit whining about it. The problem with reparations is the same as we see on this thread . A steadfast refusal to admit the past has any bearing on the present situation. Lots of whites would rather pretend they have all the economic wealth by virtue of hard work done on a level playing field. Secretly they look at institutions like the NBA and see what happens when Blacks and whites compete on equal footing. They cant take the reality of things as it destroys the illusion of white superiority.

Socially, things will have to work themselves out over time. As more and more whites lose their racists attitudes they will be able see things through the eyes of others and realize they have had the wool pulled over their eyes for centuries as have Black people. They will see Blacks succeed in every area of life and with that will come acceptance. Right now I see it in my childrens white friends. They know we are Black but to them its just a trait we have. It neither intimidates them or impresses them.

 

[Asclepias]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Lying racist. Blacks are the ones with color based privilege through AA. How dumb do you have to be to believe AA is for white men?

Did you not see the moderator's post? There you go with the name calling right on que.

AA helps white women more than any other demographic as I posted proof earlier in the thread. How about you prove white privilege does not exist? I know the truth frightens you. However, I wont give you a pass because you are too bright not to come up with a credible argument. The question is will you get emotional or just prove your point?

 

[asterism]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Is that what you glean from the perspective I shared? Sorry, I thought this was a conversation.

If you think I'm afraid of you then you are quite delusional. You know how douchebag white guys typically get insecure in a locker room with a few black guys around? You're doing the same thing but instead of dick size it's actual livelihood, opportunity, and social stature. I'm so glad my exposure to people that have dark skin includes men far greater than you.

 

[RKMBrown]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Lying racist. Blacks are the ones with color based privilege through AA. How dumb do you have to be to believe AA is for white men?

There you go with the name calling right on que.

AA helps white women more than any other demographic as I posted proof earlier in the thread. How about you prove white privilege does not exist? I know the truth frightens you. However, I wont give you a pass because you are too bright not to come up with a credible argument. The question is will you get emotional or just prove your point?

How dumb do you have to be to not know the difference between AA for gender and AA for skin color? Seriously, is your IQ under 80 or something?

 

[asterism]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Assuming white privilege, as you describe it, exists, what do you think can/should be done about it?

Academically we can stop lying and pretending white people did anything more than take what they learned from other civilizations and use it as a foundation to advance themselves while holding back others. We shouldn't be celebrating people like Columbus as a hero since he was a bumbling ass and mass murderer that accidently landed in the Americas. He didn't discover America. the NA's were already here. Each ethnicity/race should learn about their contributions to World history and how their people saw the world before learning American history. Not some white persons version but the actual truth.

Economically, short of redistribution, AA or reparations are the only two things can be done unless someone comes up with something better. The problem with AA is that it affects low income whites and thats is why you see the low hanging fruit whining about it. The problem with reparations is the same as we see on this thread . A steadfast refusal to admit the past has any bearing on the present situation. Lots of whites would rather pretend they have all the economic wealth by virtue of hard work done on a level playing field. Secretly they look at institutions like the NBA and see what happens when Blacks and whites compete on equal footing. They cant take the reality of things as it destroys the illusion of white superiority.

Socially, things will have to work themselves out over time. As more and more whites lose their racists attitudes they will be able see things through the eyes of others and realize they have had the wool pulled over their eyes for centuries as have Black people. They will see Blacks succeed in every area of life and with that will come acceptance. Right now I see it in my childrens white friends. They know we are Black but to them its just a trait we have. It neither intimidates them or impresses them.

Are you honestly going to compare the entire economic system to the NBA as proof black people are better? Racists like you give actual men a bad name. YOU are the problem, not some white folks that don't even exist anymore.

By the way this guy doesn't whine, is quite successful, almost everyone on the right loves him and you'll never vote for him. Why is that?

And then there's this guy, universally loved on the right side of the aisle too:

 

[Asclepias]

Lying racist. Blacks are the ones with color based privilege through AA. How dumb do you have to be to believe AA is for white men?

There you go with the name calling right on que.

AA helps white women more than any other demographic as I posted proof earlier in the thread. How about you prove white privilege does not exist? I know the truth frightens you. However, I wont give you a pass because you are too bright not to come up with a credible argument. The question is will you get emotional or just prove your point?

How dumb do you have to be to not know the difference between AA for gender and AA for skin color? Seriously, is your IQ under 80 or something?

How dumb do you have to be to not understand there is no difference? Like I said come with some proof for your arguments. i wont accept less from you in particular.

Affirmative action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The concept of affirmative action was introduced in the early 1960s in the United States, as a way to combat racial discrimination in the hiring process and, in 1967, the concept was expanded to include sex.

 

[asterism]

Lying racist. Blacks are the ones with color based privilege through AA. How dumb do you have to be to believe AA is for white men?

There you go with the name calling right on que.

AA helps white women more than any other demographic as I posted proof earlier in the thread. How about you prove white privilege does not exist? I know the truth frightens you. However, I wont give you a pass because you are too bright not to come up with a credible argument. The question is will you get emotional or just prove your point?

How dumb do you have to be to not know the difference between AA for gender and AA for skin color? Seriously, is your IQ under 80 or something?

Race hucksters aren't usually very intelligent. Meanwhile, the real men in the black communities work hard and take care of their families without trying to steal someone else's money.

 

[Asclepias]

Assuming white privilege, as you describe it, exists, what do you think can/should be done about it?

Academically we can stop lying and pretending white people did anything more than take what they learned from other civilizations and use it as a foundation to advance themselves while holding back others. We shouldn't be celebrating people like Columbus as a hero since he was a bumbling ass and mass murderer that accidently landed in the Americas. He didn't discover America. the NA's were already here. Each ethnicity/race should learn about their contributions to World history and how their people saw the world before learning American history. Not some white persons version but the actual truth.

Economically, short of redistribution, AA or reparations are the only two things can be done unless someone comes up with something better. The problem with AA is that it affects low income whites and thats is why you see the low hanging fruit whining about it. The problem with reparations is the same as we see on this thread . A steadfast refusal to admit the past has any bearing on the present situation. Lots of whites would rather pretend they have all the economic wealth by virtue of hard work done on a level playing field. Secretly they look at institutions like the NBA and see what happens when Blacks and whites compete on equal footing. They cant take the reality of things as it destroys the illusion of white superiority.

Socially, things will have to work themselves out over time. As more and more whites lose their racists attitudes they will be able see things through the eyes of others and realize they have had the wool pulled over their eyes for centuries as have Black people. They will see Blacks succeed in every area of life and with that will come acceptance. Right now I see it in my childrens white friends. They know we are Black but to them its just a trait we have. It neither intimidates them or impresses them.

Are you honestly going to compare the entire economic system to the NBA as proof black people are better? Racists like you give actual men a bad name. YOU are the problem, not some white folks that don't even exist anymore.

By the way this guy doesn't whine, is quite successful, almost everyone on the right loves him and you'll never vote for him. Why is that?

And then there's this guy, universally loved on the right side of the aisle too:

The NBA is just a microcosm to highlight the equality aspect. We are talking in general. Blacks are succeeding despite white privilege. However the numbers would be even higher if white privilege did not exist. Stop trying to deflect and disprove white privilege exists if you are going to participate.

 

[RKMBrown]

There you go with the name calling right on que.

AA helps white women more than any other demographic as I posted proof earlier in the thread. How about you prove white privilege does not exist? I know the truth frightens you. However, I wont give you a pass because you are too bright not to come up with a credible argument. The question is will you get emotional or just prove your point?

How dumb do you have to be to not know the difference between AA for gender and AA for skin color? Seriously, is your IQ under 80 or something?

How dumb do you have to be to not understand there is no difference? Like I said come with some proof for your arguments. i wont accept less from you in particular.

Affirmative action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The concept of affirmative action was introduced in the early 1960s in the United States, as a way to combat racial discrimination in the hiring process and, in 1967, the concept was expanded to include sex.

ROFL ^ is that why you act like a woman? Cause being black to you is like being a woman?

 

[Asclepias]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Is that what you glean from the perspective I shared? Sorry, I thought this was a conversation.

If you think I'm afraid of you then you are quite delusional. You know how douchebag white guys typically get insecure in a locker room with a few black guys around? You're doing the same thing but instead of dick size it's actual livelihood, opportunity, and social stature. I'm so glad my exposure to people that have dark skin includes men far greater than you.

What perspective have you shared? If you read my post you would see I was talking to people that feel inferior. Your response accusing me of taking something from your specific perspective confirms that. Did I mention you? If I didnt then remember, If the shoe fits......

 

[Asclepias]

How dumb do you have to be to not know the difference between AA for gender and AA for skin color? Seriously, is your IQ under 80 or something?

How dumb do you have to be to not understand there is no difference? Like I said come with some proof for your arguments. i wont accept less from you in particular.

Affirmative action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The concept of affirmative action was introduced in the early 1960s in the United States, as a way to combat racial discrimination in the hiring process and, in 1967, the concept was expanded to include sex.

ROFL ^ is that why you act like a woman? Cause being black to you is like being a woman?

Is that you very best response to me proving you dont know what you are talking about?

 

[Godboy]

Academically we can stop lying and pretending white people did anything more than take what they learned from other civilizations and use it as a foundation to advance themselves while holding back others. We shouldn't be celebrating people like Columbus as a hero since he was a bumbling ass and mass murderer that accidently landed in the Americas. He didn't discover America. the NA's were already here. Each ethnicity/race should learn about their contributions to World history and how their people saw the world before learning American history. Not some white persons version but the actual truth.

Economically, short of redistribution, AA or reparations are the only two things can be done unless someone comes up with something better. The problem with AA is that it affects low income whites and thats is why you see the low hanging fruit whining about it. The problem with reparations is the same as we see on this thread . A steadfast refusal to admit the past has any bearing on the present situation. Lots of whites would rather pretend they have all the economic wealth by virtue of hard work done on a level playing field. Secretly they look at institutions like the NBA and see what happens when Blacks and whites compete on equal footing. They cant take the reality of things as it destroys the illusion of white superiority.

Socially, things will have to work themselves out over time. As more and more whites lose their racists attitudes they will be able see things through the eyes of others and realize they have had the wool pulled over their eyes for centuries as have Black people. They will see Blacks succeed in every area of life and with that will come acceptance. Right now I see it in my childrens white friends. They know we are Black but to them its just a trait we have. It neither intimidates them or impresses them.

Are you honestly going to compare the entire economic system to the NBA as proof black people are better? Racists like you give actual men a bad name. YOU are the problem, not some white folks that don't even exist anymore.

By the way this guy doesn't whine, is quite successful, almost everyone on the right loves him and you'll never vote for him. Why is that?

And then there's this guy, universally loved on the right side of the aisle too:

The NBA is just a microcosm to highlight the equality aspect. We are talking in general. Blacks are succeeding despite white privilege. However the numbers would be even higher if white privilege did not exist. Stop trying to deflect and disprove white privilege exists if you are going to participate.

Your problem isn't white privilege. Your problem is black culture. It is directly responsible for the fact that black people don't graduate high school, cant get a job, 1 in 3 black males will end up in jail, no one seems to have a father around, its why so many have a terrible grasp of the English language, its why so many cant shut their mouths in a movie theatre, its why black people are the number one perpetrators of racial violence in this country, and your shit fucking culture is precisely why violence seems to be the only solution your community has for all your problems.

Did the food service employee at the local McDonalds get your order wrong? Well you should make a big scene and threaten people with violence over it, and while youre at it, maybe you should walk super slow as you go through crosswalks, that'll teach those white devils. Also, always make sure to be loud and obnoxious whenever you are on a city bus, because you wouldn't want to be respectful of the other passengers, and just generally make sure you don't teach your children how to behave like normal fucking people. You wouldn't want to be accused of acting white after all.

God damn your culture is awful. It produces really shitty people very often.

 

[Asclepias]

Are you honestly going to compare the entire economic system to the NBA as proof black people are better? Racists like you give actual men a bad name. YOU are the problem, not some white folks that don't even exist anymore.

By the way this guy doesn't whine, is quite successful, almost everyone on the right loves him and you'll never vote for him. Why is that?

And then there's this guy, universally loved on the right side of the aisle too:

The NBA is just a microcosm to highlight the equality aspect. We are talking in general. Blacks are succeeding despite white privilege. However the numbers would be even higher if white privilege did not exist. Stop trying to deflect and disprove white privilege exists if you are going to participate.

Your problem isn't white privilege. Your problem is black culture. It is directly responsible for the fact that black people don't graduate high school, cant get a job, 1 in 3 black males will end up in jail, no one seems to have a father around, its why so many have a terrible grasp of the English language, its why so many cant shut their mouths in a movie theatre, its why black people are the number one perpetrators of racial violence in this country, and your shit fucking culture is precisely why violence seems to be the only solution your community has for all your problems.

Did the food service employee at the local McDonalds get your order wrong? Well you should make a big scene and threaten people with violence over it, and while youre at it, maybe you should walk super slow as you go through crosswalks, that'll teach those white devils. Also, always make sure to be loud and obnoxious whenever you are on a city bus, because you wouldn't want to be respectful of the other passengers, and just generally make sure you don't teach your children how to behave like normal fucking people. You wouldn't want to be accused of acting white after all.

God damn your culture is awful. It produces really shitty people very often.

That was a great attempt at deflection. Now that you have been busted lets see some proof there is no white privilege instead of offering arguments that lend evidence to support its existence.

 

[holston]

Ok, but the kid my daughter likes is black and we're Catholic.

Your daughter is free to sack up with as many black men as she desires. And you are free to offer your blessings to the whole affair.

That's nothing to me.

What you are not free to do is force your multicultural agenda on those who are not willing to submit to it.

This is exactly what the Jewish political faction is doing and they are using the Marxist/Socialist political platform to do so, only by other names, such as Progressivism, Liberalism, Humanism, and Atheism. They are even using the Democratic and what was formerly the Republican party as well.

Not everyone is willing to accept the Jewish agenda even among those who do not recognize it as such.
There are many Catholics within the Catholic Church itself who are aware of the infiltration of the upper echelons by Jews and those who work for them. They are not all as amicable in their attitude to having the Catholic Church Judaized as you seem to be.

Excuse me if I mistake your true identity given the cryptic allusion to the Star of David in your moniker. The Hasbarats play this game so often that it is not always easy to tell them apart from those who are not.
Nevertheless it is easy enough to identify those who are proponents of Jewish social and political dogma. So far you fit the description. I judge you and others by the criteria of the views they express.

Don't think because I criticize the Jewish agenda by name that I have any more affinity for those Anglo Saxon Protestants who support them in their efforts to bring about the Mashianic Age through the internal commandeering of governments such as the USA and the control of the nations via the World Bank, IMF, and other global financial courts.

I have as much use for the likes of John McCain as I do Rabbi Lieberman.

What difference does it make what you call a rattlesnake if it bites you?
But rather than assail the WASP sycophants for aiding in the economic and spiritual decay of the US, it is more expedient to go straight to the root of the problem.

Ah.

So since I was born Catholic, accepted Jesus as my true Lord and Savior, and did so in the first religion known to recognize Jesus as the son of God, that makes me a Jew how?

I've got nothing against Jews, I'm just not part of "the tribe."

What is your religion? Some splinter group of a Calvinist offshoot?

There are many people who say they have nothing against the Jews. It is a popular thing to say and one which helps to ensure neutrality and avoid the kind of ostracism and attacks which are received by those who question their authority.

It is politically correct to assume that any such criticism or attempt to expose Jewish political and social activism for it's motives, effects, and consequences is motivated by nothing more than a hatred of someones race or ethnicity.

This position assumes that there is nothing objectionable inherent in the effects of those activities and the philosophical objectives of the Jewish religion and political body.

It also assumes that no Jews themselves ever harbor any corresponding contempt for religions and ideas which are not in accordance with those of their own.



I would like to ask anyone how they can make such assumptions and how they can be sure that the motives and objectives of the Jewish religious and political body have nothing offensive concealed in them.

I submit to you there are. And that the averse effects can be demonstrated and directly traced to the actions of the Jewish Socio-Political Union.

Does this mean that I am ignoring, or ignorant of, all other social, political, philosophical, ideological, or religious entities which also exert detrimental effects on the US?
NO IT DOES NOT.

What it means is that it is impossible to address them all at one time. Therefore immediate attention should be given to those which present the most imminent danger.

This is what I am doing. The inability of you and others to recognize this or the refusal to admit it will not deter me in my efforts. If anything these assaults do nothing but increase my determination by adding further assurance to me that I am on the right trail.

At any rate, the willingness with which so many people have to allow criticisms and attacks to be directed at any and every other political or ideological persuasion taken in conjunction with their expressed to desire to silence criticism of Judaism/Zionism/Israeli policies is nothing less than the kind of political censorship that occurs in totalitarian societies and also serves to indicate who among us are in favor of Jewish hegemony and are willing to be subjected to "Noahide" law as shall be dictated by the new Sanhedrin.


As far as differences in religious doctrines which exist between protestant and Catholic denominations, this is not the proper forum to discuss those.
If you wish to engage in that kind of debate you should seek it elsewhere.

This forum is about "privilege". I contend that Jews are the most privileged class of people in the US. The evidence supports my contention.

 

[holston]

That was a great attempt at deflection. Now that you have been busted lets see some proof there is no white privilege instead of offering arguments that lend evidence to support its existence.

G-dboy always steers clear of having to offer evidence for arguments which he can't support.

If you want to talk properly about white privilege then you need to include the time frame to which you are referencing the privilege as well as a general description of those who are supposed to be recipients of it.

I can give plenty of examples of certain white people who have been fortunate in their circumstances. But all whites are NOT equal.
Are you including "Jews" in your definition of "white"?

They call themselves white, yet they totally exonerate themselves of having played any role with respect to discrimination against blacks except to portray themselves as the champions of the black race against the evil WASP oppressors.

I'm curious as to whether you also ascribe to that idea.
Because if you do, then rather than accusing them of paying deference to their own kind, you should be thanking them for helping to lift you out of the quagmire of social injustice.

This would be a good time to express to your Jewish benefactors a hearty thanks for all the blessings of liberty which they have bestowed upon you as a result of the fearless resistance they have demonstrated in the face of an overwhelming majority of white folks who not only hate the blacks but also desire to eliminate the Jews as well.

Surely you will not argue against the premise that WASP America has been bent on the destruction and removal of all Jewish and black presence in the US will you?

To do so would put you squarely in opposition to all those Jews and blacks who have been positing this argument in every instance of forced integration and Affirmative Action.

Certainly no one should want to give any credit to the good intentions of any "white" people in seeing that this mass genocide which the Jews and blacks fear so much has not taken place. That's unless you want to exclude the definition of "white" to include the Jews, who have set themselves apart as a "Chosen race".


I could post plenty of pictures of some very downtrodden and destitute whites and juxtapose them against many pictures of very wealthy (and well hung muscular black studs wink wink) blacks with very attractive white women hanging admiringly and with complete submission in their eyes on the shoulders of their "Knights in shining armor".

How do you suppose that all of those "trailer trash" and "rednecks" are supposed to feel in the sight of this spectacle?
Would you expect them to stand up and applaud you and give you warm congratulations on your good fortune?

Or would you rather expect them to be inwardly bitter because of their own unmet wishes and needs?

Surprising as it may seem, there are indeed many such "low life" white people who do just that!

You witnessed thousands of them while OJ Simpson was running from the law in his white Blazer. You can see them stand up and cheer black men as they bump and grind on white starlets on popular TV shows.

I think you should thank your Jewish Champions for this privilege. Because God knows that none of these little Whigger Urchins and gangsat wannabees like "Em and Em" deserve any credit.
They only buy the rap music which denigrates white women as "hoes" and suggest that white men are worthy of any pain that can be inflicted upon them, up to and including the point of death. You should also thank the Lord in heaven that white men have did not gas all the Jews because they were simply too cowardly before they had time to liberate you, and likewise that the "Rednecks" just don't have the guts to have a show down with the blacks.


No. I'm sorry. But I can't look at the little 90 pound sissy whom the Jew moguls wish to make "queer bait" of and compare him to the inordinate representation of blacks in all fields of sports and then say that the little honkey is "privileged" when his prospective girl friend has already decided to dump him for a "REAL MAN", or at least a RICH ONE who portrays himself as one.

Perhaps while blacks are creating the image of themselves as "panthers" ( or is it lions now?) and Jews are portraying themselves as "Bears with Baseball Bats", white men should just adopt the image of a limp dish rag or a piece of milksopped toast.

 

[Asclepias]

^^^^What?

 

[Montrovant]

We can see this topic deeply disturbs white men in particular. They lose all reason and start denying, getting off topic, and calling names instead of proving their point. We know the reason they deny white privilege is simply because they are afraid of what it means. It simply means that even with a 400 year headstart, the ones denying it exists instead of proving it, feel inferior. It is the height of comedy to watch all the twists and turns to avoid simply proving it with facts.

Assuming white privilege, as you describe it, exists, what do you think can/should be done about it?

Academically we can stop lying and pretending white people did anything more than take what they learned from other civilizations and use it as a foundation to advance themselves while holding back others. We shouldn't be celebrating people like Columbus as a hero since he was a bumbling ass and mass murderer that accidently landed in the Americas. He didn't discover America. the NA's were already here. Each ethnicity/race should learn about their contributions to World history and how their people saw the world before learning American history. Not some white persons version but the actual truth.

Economically, short of redistribution, AA or reparations are the only two things can be done unless someone comes up with something better. The problem with AA is that it affects low income whites and thats is why you see the low hanging fruit whining about it. The problem with reparations is the same as we see on this thread . A steadfast refusal to admit the past has any bearing on the present situation. Lots of whites would rather pretend they have all the economic wealth by virtue of hard work done on a level playing field. Secretly they look at institutions like the NBA and see what happens when Blacks and whites compete on equal footing. They cant take the reality of things as it destroys the illusion of white superiority.

Socially, things will have to work themselves out over time. As more and more whites lose their racists attitudes they will be able see things through the eyes of others and realize they have had the wool pulled over their eyes for centuries as have Black people. They will see Blacks succeed in every area of life and with that will come acceptance. Right now I see it in my childrens white friends. They know we are Black but to them its just a trait we have. It neither intimidates them or impresses them.

I get the impression that you want to demonize white people in history while promoting others. Perhaps you think that is the way history has unfolded, that whites have been suppressing others while those others have not done the same, I'm not sure.

I disagree that each race should learn their contributions before learning American history, at least as far as public school policy is concerned. I think American history should be taught first, as accurately and unbiased as possible. I have no problems with more specific racial history being taught, but as a secondary thing. Better to teach shared history before pointing out any differences. You seem to want differences highlighted first, as though to assure that each racial segment feels separate from the others.

I cannot accept reparations as viable or valid. I believe you've asked about what the cut off point should be before, and to me, it would be the immediate family of those who the reparations are for.

As to AA, I have always been a bit torn about it. I think it was a necessary evil in a way, needed to combat a worse evil in the racism that has been so rampant in this country. However, it has always seemed to me to be a clear case of government discrimination. Again, it was probably necessary when first implemented because of the discrimination against minorities and women at the time, but I'm not sure that remains the case now. I would prefer that it be abolished, as I don't like government elevating a group of people based on something as foolish as race or gender. The question, of course, is if white, male privilege is still prevalent enough in this country to make AA the lesser evil, hence this thread. I don't believe it is, but I'm more than willing to admit I don't have the experience to say that with any authority.

White men have most certainly had a great advantage over others for most of this country's history. I think, or maybe hope is more accurate, that at this point we have gotten far enough past that that we're better off avoiding or getting rid of things which highlight our differences, be they racial or gender based. I'm not a particular proponent of nationalism, but I think it is a better sort of pride for society than racial, ethnic, or gender based pride. If we must look at each other with labels, seeing people as Americans first will allow for a more stable and harmonious society.

I've rambled a bit and quite likely been unclear here and there, so I'll quit while I'm still ahead.

 

[holston]

^^^^What?

Come now, you haven't displayed any problem with reading comprehension up to now.
I KNOW you can do this thang!

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