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Frankly, I am willing to do whatever is necessary to get him off drugsOur society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
So what's your solution, quit arresting people and allow them to roam freely in society?
End the war on drugs. The war itself is worse than the cause. Making drugs illegal opens a market for criminals to make millions of dollars. When there is millions of dollars to be made....it opens the door for murder and other violence
End three strikes rules. Three strikes at a minor offense is still a minor offense
Review our sentencing guidelines. Why do criminals in our country serve so much more time than similar criminals in other countries?
Probably because our prison system is so much less of a deterrent than in other countries.
Question: how much experience have you had with drug users, in your neighborhood, in your family, amongst friends or at work? The reason I ask is because I've had plenty of experience with these people, and there is no way I would ever have your attitude towards the problem.
My house has been broken into. My house has been set afire to the point the destruction was almost a total loss. I've known several that committed suicide. I've even had a family member recently that lost her son due to an overdose. I've lost several friends in my lifetime because they smoked pot and became so paranoid they thought their friends were conspiring against them. I've had several tenants that were hooked or got hooked on drugs and it cost me thousands of dollars in lost rent and property destruction.
There are few if any experiences I've had with drug users that were positive, and not having laws and punishment for them would only make it much worse.
Our society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
check the out of wedlock birth rates going into the mid 60s vs. today and then track the crime rates among children of broken homes....see what it shows.
Our society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
So what's your solution, quit arresting people and allow them to roam freely in society?
End the war on drugs. The war itself is worse than the cause. Making drugs illegal opens a market for criminals to make millions of dollars. When there is millions of dollars to be made....it opens the door for murder and other violence
End three strikes rules. Three strikes at a minor offense is still a minor offense
Review our sentencing guidelines. Why do criminals in our country serve so much more time than similar criminals in other countries?
Probably because our prison system is so much less of a deterrent than in other countries.
Question: how much experience have you had with drug users, in your neighborhood, in your family, amongst friends or at work? The reason I ask is because I've had plenty of experience with these people, and there is no way I would ever have your attitude towards the problem.
My house has been broken into. My house has been set afire to the point the destruction was almost a total loss. I've known several that committed suicide. I've even had a family member recently that lost her son due to an overdose. I've lost several friends in my lifetime because they smoked pot and became so paranoid they thought their friends were conspiring against them. I've had several tenants that were hooked or got hooked on drugs and it cost me thousands of dollars in lost rent and property destruction.
There are few if any experiences I've had with drug users that were positive, and not having laws and punishment for them would only make it much worse.
check the out of wedlock birth rates going into the mid 60s vs. today and then track the crime rates among children of broken homes....see what it shows.
No, you. You're making the claim. It's your burden to prove. Until you do, you're spouting wild, speculative fantasies.
Our society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
So what's your solution, quit arresting people and allow them to roam freely in society?
End the war on drugs. The war itself is worse than the cause. Making drugs illegal opens a market for criminals to make millions of dollars. When there is millions of dollars to be made....it opens the door for murder and other violence
End three strikes rules. Three strikes at a minor offense is still a minor offense
Review our sentencing guidelines. Why do criminals in our country serve so much more time than similar criminals in other countries?
Our society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
Yeah...it has changed in 30 years...the single teenage motherhood rate is skyrocketing..that is what creates criminals....fatherless boys with no adult role models to keep them from turning into criminals...check the out of wedlock birth rates going into the mid 60s vs. today and then track the crime rates among children of broken homes....see what it shows.
========Yes….in order to push more gun control you have to have an increase in the violent crime rate…currently our violent crime rate is going down, not up….mainly due to locking up criminals for a long time, and also because good people can now carry guns…..
That is going to change….obama and congress have decided that they need to increase the crime rate just before the election and to help push gun control…so today is the day they are releasing 6,000 felons back into our cities…..
Thanks obama…..
Our society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
Yeah...it has changed in 30 years...the single teenage motherhood rate is skyrocketing..that is what creates criminals....fatherless boys with no adult role models to keep them from turning into criminals...check the out of wedlock birth rates going into the mid 60s vs. today and then track the crime rates among children of broken homes....see what it shows.
Yet our violent crime rate has not increased five times in the last thirty years. In fact, it is down
Not because we are locking everyone up but because the crack wars of the 80s and 90s ended
The way to fight drugs is not to attack the supply chain. That only increases the money to be made and the resulting violence
I don't have time........so you don't think that the rate of fatherless boys has anything to do with drug addiction or crime in these inner city Populations?
Our society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
Yeah...it has changed in 30 years...the single teenage motherhood rate is skyrocketing..that is what creates criminals....fatherless boys with no adult role models to keep them from turning into criminals...check the out of wedlock birth rates going into the mid 60s vs. today and then track the crime rates among children of broken homes....see what it shows.
Yet our violent crime rate has not increased five times in the last thirty years. In fact, it is down
Not because we are locking everyone up but because the crack wars of the 80s and 90s ended
The way to fight drugs is not to attack the supply chain. That only increases the money to be made and the resulting violence
No...if you look at incarceration rates...they went up starting in the 90s...so locking up criminals actually worked to lower the crime rate.....
Not to forget concealed carry laws going on line at the same time......
Our society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
Yeah...it has changed in 30 years...the single teenage motherhood rate is skyrocketing..that is what creates criminals....fatherless boys with no adult role models to keep them from turning into criminals...check the out of wedlock birth rates going into the mid 60s vs. today and then track the crime rates among children of broken homes....see what it shows.
Yet our violent crime rate has not increased five times in the last thirty years. In fact, it is down
Not because we are locking everyone up but because the crack wars of the 80s and 90s ended
The way to fight drugs is not to attack the supply chain. That only increases the money to be made and the resulting violence
No...if you look at incarceration rates...they went up starting in the 90s...so locking up criminals actually worked to lower the crime rate.....
Not to forget concealed carry laws going on line at the same time......
Actually it started in the early 80s. It is not working as our incarceration rate continues to increase
Self fulfilling prophesy
I don't have time........so you don't think that the rate of fatherless boys has anything to do with drug addiction or crime in these inner city Populations?
I doubt that it contributes to crime rates to the degree which you are alleging. I will repeat: Crime rates have been on the decline for decades.
Even if we accept your base premise that the rise of single parent households is contributing to children going down the wrong paths in life (which is not an unreasonable premise), you still need to rectify your position against the fact that overall, crime rates are on the decline.
Therefore, it is impossible to attribute increased incarceration rates to increases in crime. Your full set of premises requires that increased incarceration positively correlate with increased crime. Instead, our country has been increasing incarceration rates, while crime rates have been decreasing. Therefore, there must be another source causing the increases in incarceration.
Given that incarceration rates began a nearly exponential increase at the same time as the initiation of the "war on drugs" this factor would appear to be an extremely strong candidate for attributing the increase in incarceration rates. As it turns out, 48% of the country's incarceration population are people doing time for drug offenses. Meanwhile, violent crime has been on the decline, and is at historic lows (despite what liberals want to tell you when proposing new gun restrictions).
The increase in incarceration rates in the country does not match any increase in criminal activity. And it does not align with any shift in severity of crime (ex: a reduction in petty shoplifting offset by an equal increase in murder). The only thing it coincides with is an increase in incarcerations for drug offenses. And it happens to line up quite nicely at that.
Accordingly, it is very clear that the United States' ballooning incarceration rates are due to increases in the incarceration of 54321drug offenses, as an escalation of punishment against these offenses, and not due to an increase in actual crime rates.
I don't have time........so you don't think that the rate of fatherless boys has anything to do with drug addiction or crime in these inner city Populations?
I doubt that it contributes to crime rates to the degree which you are alleging. I will repeat: Crime rates have been on the decline for decades.
Even if we accept your base premise that the rise of single parent households is contributing to children going down the wrong paths in life (which is not an unreasonable premise), you still need to rectify your position against the fact that overall, crime rates are on the decline.
Therefore, it is impossible to attribute increased incarceration rates to increases in crime. Your full set of premises requires that increased incarceration positively correlate with increased crime. Instead, our country has been increasing incarceration rates, while crime rates have been decreasing. Therefore, there must be another source causing the increases in incarceration.
Given that incarceration rates began a nearly exponential increase at the same time as the initiation of the "war on drugs" this factor would appear to be an extremely strong candidate for attributing the increase in incarceration rates. As it turns out, 48% of the country's incarceration population are people doing time for drug offenses. Meanwhile, violent crime has been on the decline, and is at historic lows (despite what liberals want to tell you when proposing new gun restrictions).
The increase in incarceration rates in the country does not match any increase in criminal activity. And it does not align with any shift in severity of crime (ex: a reduction in petty shoplifting offset by an equal increase in murder). The only thing it coincides with is an increase in incarcerations for drug offenses. And it happens to line up quite nicely at that.
Accordingly, it is very clear that the United States' ballooning incarceration rates are due to increases in the incarceration of 54321drug offenses, as an escalation of punishment against these offenses, and not due to an increase in actual crime rates.
Okay...so we make drugs legal...now you have criminal organizations with thousands of criminal thugs who used to sell illegal drugs......no education, no desire to be educated or trained....how does that work out?
With 2.5 million Americans incarcerated, it is time to start releasing alot more than that
We had 500 million in prison 30 years ago, we now have five times that number
Fine, can they stay at your place?
I'm already paying to keep 2.5 million people in prison while we can't find money for healthcare or education
Nothing strange about itOur society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
Yeah...it has changed in 30 years...the single teenage motherhood rate is skyrocketing..that is what creates criminals....fatherless boys with no adult role models to keep them from turning into criminals...check the out of wedlock birth rates going into the mid 60s vs. today and then track the crime rates among children of broken homes....see what it shows.
Yet our violent crime rate has not increased five times in the last thirty years. In fact, it is down
Not because we are locking everyone up but because the crack wars of the 80s and 90s ended
The way to fight drugs is not to attack the supply chain. That only increases the money to be made and the resulting violence
No...if you look at incarceration rates...they went up starting in the 90s...so locking up criminals actually worked to lower the crime rate.....
Not to forget concealed carry laws going on line at the same time......
Actually it started in the early 80s. It is not working as our incarceration rate continues to increase
Self fulfilling prophesy
and for some strange reason our crime rate is dropping too....hmmm...incarceration rate goes up...crime rate keeps going down......
and for some strange reason our crime rate is dropping too....hmmm...incarceration rate goes up...crime rate keeps going down......
Our society has not changed that much in 30 years that we need five times the prison population
So what's your solution, quit arresting people and allow them to roam freely in society?
End the war on drugs. The war itself is worse than the cause. Making drugs illegal opens a market for criminals to make millions of dollars. When there is millions of dollars to be made....it opens the door for murder and other violence
End three strikes rules. Three strikes at a minor offense is still a minor offense
Review our sentencing guidelines. Why do criminals in our country serve so much more time than similar criminals in other countries?
Probably because our prison system is so much less of a deterrent than in other countries.
Question: how much experience have you had with drug users, in your neighborhood, in your family, amongst friends or at work? The reason I ask is because I've had plenty of experience with these people, and there is no way I would ever have your attitude towards the problem.
My house has been broken into. My house has been set afire to the point the destruction was almost a total loss. I've known several that committed suicide. I've even had a family member recently that lost her son due to an overdose. I've lost several friends in my lifetime because they smoked pot and became so paranoid they thought their friends were conspiring against them. I've had several tenants that were hooked or got hooked on drugs and it cost me thousands of dollars in lost rent and property destruction.
There are few if any experiences I've had with drug users that were positive, and not having laws and punishment for them would only make it much worse.
as some law enforcement have pointed out....the drug user will still need to pay for his drugs if they are legal or illegal....and if they are addicts they are not going to be holding down jobs.....and treatment only works if they want to stop using...and that usually takes about 7 years before they have reached a point where they will really stop using with the help of treatment.....
