You've got that completely bass-ackwards, Peach. There's no more Liberal sentiment than "all men are created equal". That's what invented this country.
Nice try at co-optation but I give free proofreads. You're welcome.
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You've got that completely bass-ackwards, Peach. There's no more Liberal sentiment than "all men are created equal". That's what invented this country.
Nice try at co-optation but I give free proofreads. You're welcome.
Nobody watches MSNBC anyway.
I use my DVR to record MSNBC and FNC programs and watch them at my leisure.
In every segment in every program on both networks I look for balance, in other words, look for views opposed to those of the network and/or host.
If I find it, I watch and enjoy. If not I skip over that particular segment and look for balance in the next.
Needless to say, one could say that in fact I do NOT watch MSNBC, because one can only take so much of listening to the choir singing to themselves.
FNC almost always features a liberal point of view.
In the same way that, say, Wonder Bread almost always features some kind of 'nutrition'.
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Good video, thanks for pointing it out. Exactly what didn't you like about the content of her very intelligent editorial?
You don't seem to understand Animal Farm at all, since you can only see it through the eyes of your free market fundamentalist cult. One of the peculiar PC beliefs of your cult is that your cult can't be tyrants by definition, hence you've got that self-inflicted blindness concerning the way your cult's tyranny now echos that of the communists. She gored one of your sacred cows by daring to point out something that obvious, so now you're squealing like one of Animal Farm's pigs.
You're also the only conservative on this thread who actually bothered to watch the video. The UsefulIdiots of your cult saw the words "MSNBC", instantly soiled themselves, and then put their MSBNC Derangement Syndrome on display.
What the fuck? Did you actually watch the video? Or read Animal Farm? George Orwell, the guy who actually wrote the book, said it was satirical tale against Stalin, and actually suggested the title "Union des Républiques Socialistes Animales"for the French edition. Can you explain how any intelligent person, which we all know excludes you, might actually jump from a critique of Stalinism to a comparison to a version of capitalism that only exist in the minds of demented idiots, which we all know includes you?
Good god you are polluted by preconceptions... or possibly just polluted in the inebriation sense...
I suspect that you, Mamooth and I are the only interested parties here who actually DID watch the video, seeing as how all the others went into such excruciating detail on it. Anyway...
The talking head sez:
"Animal Farm is a useful cautionary tale warning of the corruption of concentrated power-- no matter in whose hands that power rests"
Do you disagree with that?
She also notes "we already live in a sort of oligarchy". Disagree with that?
You and some of the rest of us may disagree on who it is holding the puppet strings but that has nothing to do with "stupid", so getting your RDA of ad hom in before the thread even starts is poignantly ineffectual.
And it's an editorial anyway.
S... M... H....
Animal Farm is a specific warning against trusting assholes who claim to be looking out for the common guy but are really only looking to line their own pockets. That is not a broad based cautionary tale against concentrated power, it is a specific warning not to trust people who claim they care about your best interests after they wrest power away from someone else.
Unless you can point to the idiots in your imaginary oligarchy who are talking about looking out for you while fighting a revolution that will give them all the power you really don't have a way to shoehorn it into Animal Farm. I, on the other hand, can point to hundreds of examples of people who claim that they are only looking out for me, and are actually lining their own pockets, but I am no stupid enough to try to shoehorn them all into a satire about Stalin.
In fact, I can point to all sorts of idiots, including you, that always get upset when I, or anyone else, point out the little steps we are taking down the road to tyranny. So, please, keep posting here telling me how smart you are for seeing an imaginary oligarchy and how much it reminds you of the Stalinist revolution while simultaneously dismissing every single danger sign of tyranny that I, among others, point out. It makes you look so incredibly idiotic that I really don't have to do anything but point and laugh.
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what the fuck? Did you actually watch the video? Or read animal farm? George orwell, the guy who actually wrote the book, said it was satirical tale against stalin, and actually suggested the title "union des républiques socialistes animales"for the french edition. Can you explain how any intelligent person, which we all know excludes you, might actually jump from a critique of stalinism to a comparison to a version of capitalism that only exist in the minds of demented idiots, which we all know includes you?
the talking head sez:
"animal farm is a useful cautionary tale warning of the corruption of concentrated power-- no matter in whose hands that power rests"
do you disagree with that?
She also notes "we already live in a sort of oligarchy". Disagree with that?
And it's an editorial anyway.
S... M... H....
bingo!
We really need a point and laugh smiley for idiots that quote idiots just to agree with them.
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She blames the Republicans but Progressives are in both parties and progressive policies are the same as Stalin's regime of which Animal Farm was a satire against that regime.
There are a lot more progressives in the Democrat Party than in the Republican Party.
It is a book about totalitarianism and liberals embrace that ideology.
Animal Farm and 1984: George Orwell, Christopher Hitchens: 9780151010264: Amazon.com: Books
George Orwell's classic Satire of the Russian Revolution.
Built on the credo that all animals are created equal (collectivism) and some animal are more equal than others ( those in power who know better what is best for you).
This is the liberal ideology.
Conservative ideology is individualism and freedom(all are created equal and Government does not take away the individuals rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness), opposed to; organized social issues that would take away the ills of society and becomes the oppressor of our Creators unalienable rights.This is Progressivism.
We have an oligarchy because of progressives ideology and they are in both parties.
Started by President Theodore Roosevelt and completely embraced by President Woodrow Wilson.
Progressive ideology is about putting members of society 1st and individualism 2nd.
The Founder's ideology is individualism 1st and then members of society 2nd.
Our Government needs to stop ignoring our constitutional rights and stop thinking that the Court rules what is our constitutional rights.
You've got that completely bass-ackwards, Peach. There's no more Liberal sentiment than "all men are created equal". That's what invented this country.
Nice try at co-optation but I give free proofreads. You're welcome.
Which explains why you, as a self declared liberal who agrees with the founders of this country, are not outraged by the fact that people are being punished for expressing negative opinions of some groups but not others.
Actually, it just explains why the only intelligent response to anything you say is laughter.
What the fuck? Did you actually watch the video? Or read Animal Farm? George Orwell, the guy who actually wrote the book, said it was satirical tale against Stalin, and actually suggested the title "Union des Républiques Socialistes Animales"for the French edition. Can you explain how any intelligent person, which we all know excludes you, might actually jump from a critique of Stalinism to a comparison to a version of capitalism that only exist in the minds of demented idiots, which we all know includes you?
Good god you are polluted by preconceptions... or possibly just polluted in the inebriation sense...
I suspect that you, Mamooth and I are the only interested parties here who actually DID watch the video, seeing as how all the others went into such excruciating detail on it. Anyway...
The talking head sez:
"Animal Farm is a useful cautionary tale warning of the corruption of concentrated power-- no matter in whose hands that power rests"
Do you disagree with that?
She also notes "we already live in a sort of oligarchy". Disagree with that?
You and some of the rest of us may disagree on who it is holding the puppet strings but that has nothing to do with "stupid", so getting your RDA of ad hom in before the thread even starts is poignantly ineffectual.
And it's an editorial anyway.
S... M... H....
Animal Farm is a specific warning against trusting assholes who claim to be looking out for the common guy but are really only looking to line their own pockets. That is not a broad based cautionary tale against concentrated power, it is a specific warning not to trust people who claim they care about your best interests after they wrest power away from someone else.
Agreed. And as noted above from the video quote, the TV talking head said the same thing.
So?
Unless you can point to the idiots in your imaginary oligarchy who are talking about looking out for you while fighting a revolution that will give them all the power you really don't have a way to shoehorn it into Animal Farm.
Easily done. You need but ask.
By their flags ye already know them:
Is that enough? Say the word.
I, on the other hand, can point to hundreds of examples of people who claim that they are only looking out for me, and are actually lining their own pockets, but I am no stupid enough to try to shoehorn them all into a satire about Stalin.
No, you no stupid. Orwell stupid, you no stupid.
In fact, I can point to all sorts of idiots, including you, that always get upset when I, or anyone else, point out the little steps we are taking down the road to tyranny.
You keep saying that. Then I keep challenging you to prove it. Then you keep running away. Lather, rinse, repeat, yip yap.
So, please, keep posting here telling me how smart you are for seeing an imaginary oligarchy and how much it reminds you of the Stalinist revolution while simultaneously dismissing every single danger sign of tyranny that I, among others, point out. It makes you look so incredibly idiotic that I really don't have to do anything but point and laugh.
I made no reference to myself or how smart anybody is. You did that with your pointless ad hom obsession. On the contrary I don't see how it takes smarts to see the obvious. But I suppose given your challenges there is a threshold.
I made no reference to Stalin either. Silly me, I'm not locked into the rigid idea that an allegorical novel must apply only to one historical story and anything other application of the same moral is just something to go all
over.She blames the Republicans but Progressives are in both parties and progressive policies are the same as Stalin's regime of which Animal Farm was a satire against that regime.
There are a lot more progressives in the Democrat Party than in the Republican Party.
It is a book about totalitarianism and liberals embrace that ideology.
Animal Farm and 1984: George Orwell, Christopher Hitchens: 9780151010264: Amazon.com: Books
George Orwell's classic Satire of the Russian Revolution.
Built on the credo that all animals are created equal (collectivism) and some animal are more equal than others ( those in power who know better what is best for you).
This is the liberal ideology.
Conservative ideology is individualism and freedom(all are created equal and Government does not take away the individuals rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness), opposed to; organized social issues that would take away the ills of society and becomes the oppressor of our Creators unalienable rights.This is Progressivism.
We have an oligarchy because of progressives ideology and they are in both parties.
Started by President Theodore Roosevelt and completely embraced by President Woodrow Wilson.
Progressive ideology is about putting members of society 1st and individualism 2nd.
The Founder's ideology is individualism 1st and then members of society 2nd.
Our Government needs to stop ignoring our constitutional rights and stop thinking that the Court rules what is our constitutional rights.
You've got that completely bass-ackwards, Peach. There's no more Liberal sentiment than "all men are created equal". That's what invented this country.
Nice try at co-optation but I give free proofreads. You're welcome.
Which explains why you, as a self declared liberal who agrees with the founders of this country, are not outraged by the fact that people are being punished for expressing negative opinions of some groups but not others.
Sigh.
As always, here comes your daily dose of Kryptonite:
She blames the Republicans but Progressives are in both parties and progressive policies are the same as Stalin's regime of which Animal Farm was a satire against that regime.
There are a lot more progressives in the Democrat Party than in the Republican Party.
It is a book about totalitarianism and liberals embrace that ideology.
Animal Farm and 1984: George Orwell, Christopher Hitchens: 9780151010264: Amazon.com: Books
George Orwell's classic Satire of the Russian Revolution.
Built on the credo that all animals are created equal (collectivism) and some animal are more equal than others ( those in power who know better what is best for you).
This is the liberal ideology.
Conservative ideology is individualism and freedom(all are created equal and Government does not take away the individuals rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness), opposed to; organized social issues that would take away the ills of society and becomes the oppressor of our Creators unalienable rights.This is Progressivism.
We have an oligarchy because of progressives ideology and they are in both parties.
Started by President Theodore Roosevelt and completely embraced by President Woodrow Wilson.
Progressive ideology is about putting members of society 1st and individualism 2nd.
The Founder's ideology is individualism 1st and then members of society 2nd.
Our Government needs to stop ignoring our constitutional rights and stop thinking that the Court rules what is our constitutional rights.
You've got that completely bass-ackwards, Peach. There's no more Liberal sentiment than "all men are created equal". That's what invented this country.
Nice try at co-optation but I give free proofreads. You're welcome.
I agree with you Pogo with true liberalism. But the Progressives who interchange using the words liberal and progressive at will, whenever each word starts to become a bad thing, are the ones who believe in, all are created equal based on, for the good of the collective.
She blames the Republicans but Progressives are in both parties and progressive policies are the same as Stalin's regime of which Animal Farm was a satire against that regime.
There are a lot more progressives in the Democrat Party than in the Republican Party.
It is a book about totalitarianism and liberals embrace that ideology.
Animal Farm and 1984: George Orwell, Christopher Hitchens: 9780151010264: Amazon.com: Books
George Orwell's classic Satire of the Russian Revolution.
Built on the credo that all animals are created equal (collectivism) and some animal are more equal than others ( those in power who know better what is best for you).
This is the liberal ideology.
Conservative ideology is individualism and freedom(all are created equal and Government does not take away the individuals rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness), opposed to; organized social issues that would take away the ills of society and becomes the oppressor of our Creators unalienable rights.This is Progressivism.
We have an oligarchy because of progressives ideology and they are in both parties.
Started by President Theodore Roosevelt and completely embraced by President Woodrow Wilson.
Progressive ideology is about putting members of society 1st and individualism 2nd.
The Founder's ideology is individualism 1st and then members of society 2nd.
Our Government needs to stop ignoring our constitutional rights and stop thinking that the Court rules what is our constitutional rights.
You've got that completely bass-ackwards, Peach. There's no more Liberal sentiment than "all men are created equal". That's what invented this country.
Nice try at co-optation but I give free proofreads. You're welcome.
I agree with you Pogo with true liberalism. But the Progressives who interchange using the words liberal and progressive at will, whenever each word starts to become a bad thing, are the ones who believe in, all are created equal based on, for the good of the collective.
I don't know who around here uses the term "progressive" except for Westwall, and he ain't the brightest bulb in the light tower. It sounds like what you're trying to describe is "leftists", not Liberals. Progressivism belongs to a world of a hundred years ago. Absent a cogent concise definition -- and I certainly couldn't get one out of Bustball -- it's just a meaningless pseudo-slur full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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You've got that completely bass-ackwards, Peach. There's no more Liberal sentiment than "all men are created equal". That's what invented this country.
Nice try at co-optation but I give free proofreads. You're welcome.
I agree with you Pogo with true liberalism. But the Progressives who interchange using the words liberal and progressive at will, whenever each word starts to become a bad thing, are the ones who believe in, all are created equal based on, for the good of the collective.
I don't know who around here uses the term "progressive" except for Westwall, and he ain't the brightest bulb in the light tower. It sounds like what you're trying to describe is "leftists", not Liberals. Progressivism belongs to a world of a hundred years ago. Absent a cogent concise definition -- and I certainly couldn't get one out of Bustball -- it's just a meaningless pseudo-slur full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Try the search engine. But I don't need to use the search engine to know that Dot Com uses that term to describe himself.
You've got that completely bass-ackwards, Peach. There's no more Liberal sentiment than "all men are created equal". That's what invented this country.
Nice try at co-optation but I give free proofreads. You're welcome.
I agree with you Pogo with true liberalism. But the Progressives who interchange using the words liberal and progressive at will, whenever each word starts to become a bad thing, are the ones who believe in, all are created equal based on, for the good of the collective.
I don't know who around here uses the term "progressive" except for Westwall, and he ain't the brightest bulb in the light tower. It sounds like what you're trying to describe is "leftists", not Liberals. Progressivism belongs to a world of a hundred years ago. Absent a cogent concise definition -- and I certainly couldn't get one out of Bustball -- it's just a meaningless pseudo-slur full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
I plus others have been using the word, because Democrats have been using the word.
Liberals in the House-Raul Grijalva, Nancy Pelosi all of the liberals.
Congressional Progressive Caucus : Home
The liberals went back to the word progressive again.
Progressive Democrats of America - Tim Carpenter Memorial
I agree with you Pogo with true liberalism. But the Progressives who interchange using the words liberal and progressive at will, whenever each word starts to become a bad thing, are the ones who believe in, all are created equal based on, for the good of the collective.
I don't know who around here uses the term "progressive" except for Westwall, and he ain't the brightest bulb in the light tower. It sounds like what you're trying to describe is "leftists", not Liberals. Progressivism belongs to a world of a hundred years ago. Absent a cogent concise definition -- and I certainly couldn't get one out of Bustball -- it's just a meaningless pseudo-slur full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
I plus others have been using the word, because Democrats have been using the word.
Liberals in the House-Raul Grijalva, Nancy Pelosi all of the liberals.
Congressional Progressive Caucus : Home
The liberals went back to the word progressive again.
Progressive Democrats of America - Tim Carpenter Memorial
In that sense "progressive" could mean "one who approves of progress". Who doesn't.
I'll say again until it sinks in -- without a definition it's still a meaningless hack term.
This is off the topic anyway.
Meathead
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Reagan trashed the "liberal" tag. Trying to distance themselves from abject failure, they adopted a new term. Communists are now calling themselves "collectivists". You can call shit anything you want, but it still stinks.
Reagan trashed the "liberal" tag. Trying to distance themselves from abject failure, they adopted a new term. Communists are now calling themselves "collectivists". You can call shit anything you want, but it still stinks.
That was already going on. His VP used it as a slur on his opponent when he ran in 1988 (which says something about how he feels about his own country, founded by Liberals). But the disingenuous conflation really started with the "Red Scare" and McCarthyism. Probably worth a whole 'nother thread but still, offtopic here.
Meathead
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Who cares? Liberalism was a joke and utterly defeated by the end of the Reagan administration and no one wanted the label. The term "progressive" was adopted those who wanted to distance themselves from failure. As failure is once again inevitable, the question becomes what those losers will call themselves next.Reagan trashed the "liberal" tag. Trying to distance themselves from abject failure, they adopted a new term. Communists are now calling themselves "collectivists". You can call shit anything you want, but it still stinks.
That was already going on. His VP used it as a slur on his opponent when he ran in 1988 (which says something about how he feels about his own country, founded by Liberals). But the disingenuous conflation really started with the "Red Scare" and McCarthyism. Probably worth a whole 'nother thread but still, offtopic here.
Who cares? Liberalism was a joke and utterly defeated by the end of the Reagan administration and no one wanted the label. The term "progressive" was adopted those who wanted to distance themselves from failure. As failure is once again inevitable, the question becomes what those losers will call themselves next.Reagan trashed the "liberal" tag. Trying to distance themselves from abject failure, they adopted a new term. Communists are now calling themselves "collectivists". You can call shit anything you want, but it still stinks.
That was already going on. His VP used it as a slur on his opponent when he ran in 1988 (which says something about how he feels about his own country, founded by Liberals). But the disingenuous conflation really started with the "Red Scare" and McCarthyism. Probably worth a whole 'nother thread but still, offtopic here.
Liberalism founded this country. If you don't like it you're welcome to leave.
Oh wait -- you already did.
On behalf of your former country, thank you.
As for Corporatism having defeated Liberalism.... well you may have a point.
mamooth
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Which explains why you, as a self declared liberal who agrees with the founders of this country, are not outraged by the fact that people are being punished for expressing negative opinions of some groups but not others.
As victimhood tantrums go, that's somewhat boring. You'll need to inject some more specific and detailed kookery into your victimhood tantrums if you want more of that attention that you so badly crave.
I don't know who around here uses the term "progressive" except for Westwall, and he ain't the brightest bulb in the light tower. It sounds like what you're trying to describe is "leftists", not Liberals. Progressivism belongs to a world of a hundred years ago. Absent a cogent concise definition -- and I certainly couldn't get one out of Bustball -- it's just a meaningless pseudo-slur full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
I plus others have been using the word, because Democrats have been using the word.
Liberals in the House-Raul Grijalva, Nancy Pelosi all of the liberals.
Congressional Progressive Caucus : Home
The liberals went back to the word progressive again.
Progressive Democrats of America - Tim Carpenter Memorial
In that sense "progressive" could mean "one who approves of progress". Who doesn't.
I'll say again until it sinks in -- without a definition it's still a meaningless hack term.
This is off the topic anyway.
No it isn't.
We are talking about the book Animal Farm which is a satire on Stalin's regime.
It is the same basic ideology as the lefties of the Democrat party (Marxism).
Liberal-
political reforms that extend and distribute wealth more evenly. generous: freely giving money.
Stalin's & Linin's political platform-
Lenin and Stalin as Mass Leaders
As masters of Marxian theory, Lenin and Stalin could develop their profound ability as political strategists. The Marxist method of analysis, enabling them to gauge accurately the relationship of classes and the general economic and political forces at work in a given situation, equipped them to determine when, how and where the Party and the masses could strike the most effective blows.
I plus others have been using the word, because Democrats have been using the word.
Liberals in the House-Raul Grijalva, Nancy Pelosi all of the liberals.
Congressional Progressive Caucus : Home
The liberals went back to the word progressive again.
Progressive Democrats of America - Tim Carpenter Memorial
In that sense "progressive" could mean "one who approves of progress". Who doesn't.
I'll say again until it sinks in -- without a definition it's still a meaningless hack term.
This is off the topic anyway.
No it isn't.
We are talking about the book Animal Farm which is a satire on Stalin's regime.
It is the same basic ideology as the lefties of the Democrat party (Marxism).
Liberal-
political reforms that extend and distribute wealth more evenly. generous: freely giving money.
Stalin's & Linin's political platform-
Lenin and Stalin as Mass Leaders
As masters of Marxian theory, Lenin and Stalin could develop their profound ability as political strategists. The Marxist method of analysis, enabling them to gauge accurately the relationship of classes and the general economic and political forces at work in a given situation, equipped them to determine when, how and where the Party and the masses could strike the most effective blows.
Utter bullshit. Not a request, an observation of what you just did. Strawman in red.
Btw there's no such entity as the "Democrat Party". I looked it up -- doesn't exist. But it does tell me where you buy your strawmen.
Your pseudo-definition has nothing whatsoever to do with Liberalism.
liberal (ˈlɪbərəl; ˈlɪbrəl)
adj
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having social and political views that favour progress and reform
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having policies or views advocating individual freedom
3. giving and generous in temperament or behaviour
4. tolerant of other people
5. abundant; lavish: a liberal helping of cream.
6. not strict; free: a liberal translation.
7. (Education) of or relating to an education that aims to develop general cultural interests and intellectual ability
n
8. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a person who has liberal ideas or opinions
[C14: from Latin līberālis of freedom, from līber free]
ˈliberally adv ˈliberalness n
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
(via Freedic)
And FWIW HarperCollins is owned by Rupert Murdoch, so if you want to call him a liar Sean Hannity will be all over you.
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If you're saying that Dems/Libs aren't glued to the same station 24/7, you are right....we're not sheeple...
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