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Another screw up by Trump and the GOP!

$500Billion for corporations, another $500 billion for small businesses, billions in a stimulus check for workers, billions for hospitals, and billions for state gvts, billions and billions to PHARMA to create a vaccine etc etc etc....

But God forbid, getting money to the individual citizen, who was hurt the most by being laid off.....is some how, the wrong thing to do....

Money has been getting to them. Where have you been?

We all got our stimulus check or deposit. The federal government put a limited addition of extra unemployment money for those who were collecting from the state. In many cases, people were earning much more by being unemployed than when they were working.

You didn't "all" get stimulus checks Ray. Some people waited for months for their $1200 and are still
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?

I cannot believe the idiocy of the right. If this is what you truly believe is happening, you deserve to go broke and have your country destroyed. The economy is ALREADY WRECKED.

People cannot go back to work until YOU GET THE FUCKING VIRUS UNDER CONTROL.

THE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD HAS MANAGED TO DO IT. AMERICANS IDIOTS CONTINUE TO THINK THEY CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO WORK OR SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WHILE A PANDEMIC RAGES.

THIS IS INSANITY.

Yes, your plan is to wreck the economy ... until November 3. This is not new information. The rest is your ridiculous hysteria over a virus that kills less than 1% of the people and is little threat to children. Screaming about it just shows all the more what a whack job you are.

Yes, those deaths are tragic. But so are is the domestic violence, suicides, depression, drug and alcohol abuse, destruction of lives, businesses and retirements and the developmental impact of children we're suffering by keeping us caged up.

I've pointed this out to you a bunch of times at this point and you keep ignoring it. Stop just being a hysterical woman running in circles and screaming like your hair is on fire and engage in discussion by actually addressing my points on the other side. Grow the fuck up. You're hysterical. I got it

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It is utterly laughable that you're claiming massive rates of "domestic violence, suicide, depression, drug and alcohol abuse, the destruction of lives and businesses and returedment and developmental impact on children" on no evidence, and you're calling ME hysterical.

No one is "caged up". And if you are, you are utterly lacking in imagination. People were out walking their dogs, cutting their lawns, working in their gardens, and generally living their lives, throughout the shut down. They just did it with their immediate familys. Many people have said that they've finally gotten a lot of things done around the house they never had time for when they were working.

AND BECAUSE WE HAVE COMPETENT GOVERNANCE, AND WE ACTUALLY LOCKED DOWN, AND STAYED LOCKED DOWN, WE'RE SAFELY STAGE 3 OPEN TODAY. WE HAD 430 NEW CASES YESTERDAY. YOU HAD NEARLY 70,000.

Your federal government response has been a clusterfuck since day one and has done nothing to shut the virus down, but is now everything possible to push helpless low wage workers, with no health insurance, back into the work force with no protections.

Let's calculate the cost to the economy of 70,000 people per day testing positive, in perpetuity, shall we. Because it's NOT just the number of people dying which is problematic, it's the impact of tens of thousands of people getting sick every day that is the problem.

20% of those who test postive get REALLY sick and require hospitalization. That's 14,000 people per day who will require hospitalization. When they go to hospital, they're in hospital for weeks, so you're not churning beds quickly. So how long will it be before you have no beds left in hospitals? Texas, Florida and Arizona are already there. If 14,000 people are going to hospital every day and staying for weeks, who is paying for their treatment - which is currently around $1 milllion per patient, if they survive? Or are you just going to stop treating them as well.

If 70,000 people test positive every day for a year, that's 25.1 million sick people per year, and 5.1 million hospitalizations based on a 20% hospitalization rate. You only have 1 million hospital beds in total. Where are going to put them, and who is going to care for them in hospital, because health care workers are in crisis.

You're all hysterical about people getting depressed and suicidal and yet you ignore the impact on health care workers who have to deal with all of these really sick people. Health care workers are dying while caring for the sick.


Health care workers are afraid to go home and spend time with their families. You worry about people being "caged up", what is happening to health care workers who are being pushed to the breaking point, sobbing on YouTube about how difficult it is to deal with this virus. Who in their right mind is going to want to be a doctor or a nurse after this? How many will people will leave the health care professions after this?

Currently, 6.7% of those who test positive in the USA, die. Not 1%. You have 2,190,000 closed cases, and 147,000 of those people have died. that's 6.7% of closed cases, not 1%. If 70,000 people get sick every day for a year, 5.1 million are hospitalized, and 342,000 Americans will die.

Your position ignores all of these facts and numbers, and then claims that I'm hysterical.

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

Again, I have given you facts and figures, and you call ME hysterical.

Canadians often say that someone's heart is as cold as a "Bay Street banker" or a "Bay Street lawyer". Bay Street lawyers and bankers are consider to be the least emotional people in the country. I've been both a Bay Street banker and a Bay Street law clerk. My professional career has always required me to back up my assertions with dispassionate analysis, including facts, figures, and links to statutes and laws.

My banking background required me to parse financial statements looking for weaknesses - rate of turnover, age of receiveables, industry standards for costs, gross profit margins, ratio of costs to profits.

I'm not the one making false claims here. I'm not the one who is hysterically claiming that more damage will be done to the country by shutting down than opening up. I'm the cold hearted analyst giving you the facts and why opening up and letting the virus run will cost your economy far more money than shutting down.

You haven't even tried to refute any of it. You just keep calling me hysterical.

When you deny that domestic violence, depression, suicides, drug an alcohol abuse are up and people are losing their businesses, retirement accounts and economic well being and that kids aren't harmed by being locked up at home, you're either a liar or stupid as all get out. Which is it?
 
Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal
Ask people in Fla or Texas about that

Not following the news much, are you? We've been the ones pushing to open. I live in Florida, BTW
Yeah you want schools open but afraid to have RNC there?? Trump punks out

As I said, you're really not following the news, are you? Trump pulled out, Florida didn't.

And you really are a dick. If Trump had it you'd attack him now you're attacking him for not having it

He's not attacking Trump. He's attacking the notion that schools in Florida are in position to open in a couple of weeks. If it's not safe to hold the Republican convention in Florida, how is it safe to force teachers, administrators, bus drivers, and children back to school?

You're really not very bright, are you.

"Trump punks out" isn't blaming Trump. Again, how stupid are you? Government school educated, huh? Don't you want better for your kids?
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?
Why are wages so low that an extra few hundred dollars a week is more than folks make while working?

It's $600 a week, not a "few." A few would probably be OK.

Think about it. $600 a week is $30,000 a year. That's in addition to the State unemployment. No one should ever make more from government for NOT working than WORKING.

I realize destruction of the economy is actually your goal and you won't accept any answer, but that is the answer to your question

Then the obvious solution is to raise wages so American workers can live on them, not to force people to go back to jobs that require 53 weeks of work just to pay for food and shelter. Since it's not possible to work 53 weeks a year, and people need clothing, transportation and health care in addition to food and shelter, wages need to rise. The rest of the first world pays better than the USA - the richest country in the world.


Blah, blah, Marxist rhetoric, got it.

If you apply yourself in this country, you can go as far as you want. Nobody owes you a participation paycheck. If you can't get your paycheck where you want it, start with the one to blame. You. I'd start by analyzing your shitty attitude
 
He's not attacking Trump. He's attacking the notion that schools in Florida are in position to open in a couple of weeks. If it's not safe to hold the Republican convention in Florida, how is it safe to force teachers, administrators, bus drivers, and children back to school?

You're really not very bright, are you.

Children are at very low risk for catching the virus, and in Europe where they did send their kids back to school, no known cases of a teacher catching the virus from a student.
Just had the lady scientist on TV fired by your governor kaz for not falsifying documents for reporting cases and deaths
Rebecca Jones

Cool
 

It's $600 a week, not a "few." A few would probably be OK.

Think about it. $600 a week is $30,000 a year. That's in addition to the State unemployment. No one should ever make more from government for NOT working than WORKING.

I realize destruction of the economy is actually your goal and you won't accept any answer, but that is the answer to your question


So now you guys are not for getting your OWN money back? Make up your mind.

You're massively confused about something
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?
Why are wages so low that an extra few hundred dollars a week is more than folks make while working?

It's $600 a week, not a "few." A few would probably be OK.

Think about it. $600 a week is $30,000 a year. That's in addition to the State unemployment. No one should ever make more from government for NOT working than WORKING.

I realize destruction of the economy is actually your goal and you won't accept any answer, but that is the answer to your question

Then the obvious solution is to raise wages so American workers can live on them, not to force people to go back to jobs that require 53 weeks of work just to pay for food and shelter. Since it's not possible to work 53 weeks a year, and people need clothing, transportation and health care in addition to food and shelter, wages need to rise. The rest of the first world pays better than the USA - the richest country in the world.


What else happens when "wages" go up?
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?
Why are wages so low that an extra few hundred dollars a week is more than folks make while working?

It's $600 a week, not a "few." A few would probably be OK.

Think about it. $600 a week is $30,000 a year. That's in addition to the State unemployment. No one should ever make more from government for NOT working than WORKING.

I realize destruction of the economy is actually your goal and you won't accept any answer, but that is the answer to your question

Then the obvious solution is to raise wages so American workers can live on them, not to force people to go back to jobs that require 53 weeks of work just to pay for food and shelter. Since it's not possible to work 53 weeks a year, and people need clothing, transportation and health care in addition to food and shelter, wages need to rise. The rest of the first world pays better than the USA - the richest country in the world.

The Government does not determine wages for private enterprise in free Countries, commie. It is not the Federal Governments mandate to provide health care you want it get the people to change the Constitution.
 
You think conservatives think that government welfare programs are your money? WTF? Are you hanging out with Gary Johnson this morning?


So you're saying that money for unemployed people isn't their money?

Of course not, it's the money of the people who earned it. What is wrong with you, Karl?


So those getting UNEMPLOYMENT benefits didn't earn it. WTF is wrong with you?
 

It's $600 a week, not a "few." A few would probably be OK.

Think about it. $600 a week is $30,000 a year. That's in addition to the State unemployment. No one should ever make more from government for NOT working than WORKING.

I realize destruction of the economy is actually your goal and you won't accept any answer, but that is the answer to your question


So now you guys are not for getting your OWN money back? Make up your mind.

You're massively confused about something

You are so fucking stupid you don't see the irony in what you're spewing.

Yuge MAGA for that!!!!
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?

I cannot believe the idiocy of the right. If this is what you truly believe is happening, you deserve to go broke and have your country destroyed. The economy is ALREADY WRECKED.

People cannot go back to work until YOU GET THE FUCKING VIRUS UNDER CONTROL.

THE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD HAS MANAGED TO DO IT. AMERICANS IDIOTS CONTINUE TO THINK THEY CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO WORK OR SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WHILE A PANDEMIC RAGES.

THIS IS INSANITY.


Under control was defined by the CDC is preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. That has been done and is still the case.

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Why are wages so bad that employees are making more not working? That says something ominous.

Finally, someone said something in this thread that makes sense. I talked to a school bus driver who filed for unemployment during this time. She works at least 32 hours a day at about 11 bucks an hour. When she went to file for unemployment befits, the Company listed her and all the other drives as part time. She wasn't eligible for either that 600 bucks a week nor even full Unemployment Benefits. She received just over 200 a week for benefits. The Scumbag Company saved money that way. But at 32 hours week to make 600 bucks one would have to be paid $18.75 an hour. considering their normal job, 18.75 per hour should be the min they are paid.

I'll say this again, if you can't pay a living wage to your employees then you should be in business in the first place.


If the driver can't live on the wages she agreed to, perhaps she should find another fucking job.

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You think conservatives think that government welfare programs are your money? WTF? Are you hanging out with Gary Johnson this morning?


So you're saying that money for unemployed people isn't their money?

Of course not, it's the money of the people who earned it. What is wrong with you, Karl?


So those getting UNEMPLOYMENT benefits didn't earn it. WTF is wrong with you?

No, you didn't earn it. It's a welfare program. I've owned five businesses and you've been on welfare. Pretty much the same, huh?
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?

I cannot believe the idiocy of the right. If this is what you truly believe is happening, you deserve to go broke and have your country destroyed. The economy is ALREADY WRECKED.

People cannot go back to work until YOU GET THE FUCKING VIRUS UNDER CONTROL.

THE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD HAS MANAGED TO DO IT. AMERICANS IDIOTS CONTINUE TO THINK THEY CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO WORK OR SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WHILE A PANDEMIC RAGES.

THIS IS INSANITY.


Under control was defined by the CDC is preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. That has been done and is still the case.

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Yep. That was the plan when we shut down. All Democrats are doing now is pouncing and attacking, they oppose any plan that doesn't wreck the economy. Any price to win in November!
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?

I cannot believe the idiocy of the right. If this is what you truly believe is happening, you deserve to go broke and have your country destroyed. The economy is ALREADY WRECKED.

People cannot go back to work until YOU GET THE FUCKING VIRUS UNDER CONTROL.

THE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD HAS MANAGED TO DO IT. AMERICANS IDIOTS CONTINUE TO THINK THEY CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO WORK OR SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WHILE A PANDEMIC RAGES.

THIS IS INSANITY.

Under control was defined by the CDC is preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. That has been done and is still the case.

Yep. That was the plan when we shut down. All Democrats are doing now is pouncing and attacking, they oppose any plan that doesn't wreck the economy. Any price to win in November!

You haven't done anything of the kind. New York hospitals were completely overwhelmed. Hospitals in Arizona, Texas and Florida are completely overwhelmed right now. Dr. Birx was on TV today saying that the USA now has "3 New Yorks right now".


What is the price of 70,000 new cases every day, with 14,000 of them requiring hospital admissions? Three months of care for those 14,000?
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?

I cannot believe the idiocy of the right. If this is what you truly believe is happening, you deserve to go broke and have your country destroyed. The economy is ALREADY WRECKED.

People cannot go back to work until YOU GET THE FUCKING VIRUS UNDER CONTROL.

THE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD HAS MANAGED TO DO IT. AMERICANS IDIOTS CONTINUE TO THINK THEY CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO WORK OR SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WHILE A PANDEMIC RAGES.

THIS IS INSANITY.

Under control was defined by the CDC is preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. That has been done and is still the case.

Yep. That was the plan when we shut down. All Democrats are doing now is pouncing and attacking, they oppose any plan that doesn't wreck the economy. Any price to win in November!

You haven't done anything of the kind. New York hospitals were completely overwhelmed. Hospitals in Arizona, Texas and Florida are completely overwhelmed right now. Dr. Birx was on TV today saying that the USA now has "3 New Yorks right now".


What is the price of 70,000 new cases every day, with 14,000 of them requiring hospital admissions? Three months of care for those 14,000?

This doesn't contradict that the original plan was to flatten the hospitalization curve to not overwhelm the medical system. It was realized at the time there would be local flareups to deal with. Which is all you're saying and doesn't contradict the original plan.

There was never a plan to jail Americans in our homes for five months and counting
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?

I cannot believe the idiocy of the right. If this is what you truly believe is happening, you deserve to go broke and have your country destroyed. The economy is ALREADY WRECKED.

People cannot go back to work until YOU GET THE FUCKING VIRUS UNDER CONTROL.

THE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD HAS MANAGED TO DO IT. AMERICANS IDIOTS CONTINUE TO THINK THEY CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO WORK OR SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WHILE A PANDEMIC RAGES.

THIS IS INSANITY.

Under control was defined by the CDC is preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. That has been done and is still the case.

Yep. That was the plan when we shut down. All Democrats are doing now is pouncing and attacking, they oppose any plan that doesn't wreck the economy. Any price to win in November!

You haven't done anything of the kind. New York hospitals were completely overwhelmed. Hospitals in Arizona, Texas and Florida are completely overwhelmed right now. Dr. Birx was on TV today saying that the USA now has "3 New Yorks right now".


What is the price of 70,000 new cases every day, with 14,000 of them requiring hospital admissions? Three months of care for those 14,000?


Stop lying already, hospital stays and deaths have been cut drastically. The average hospital stay is less than 3 weeks. And I don't know about the other States, but TX is handling the situation quite well. The major spikes happening in TX are where protest occurred, funny you don't acknowledge that.

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This is directly on Congress, they had several months to work this out and failed to do anything except take vacations, which they want to do again in a week or two.

With all the sacrifices that they want Americans to make, not going on a vacation for a few weeks while many Americans are unemployed, have had hours cutback, benefits change, stressed because of Covid-19, rioting,, it is the least they could have done.

What happened to elected officials serving their constituents? They need to get a clue or get voted out.
And repub senate taking weekend off now in time of crisis

And the House and Senate took off earlier this month. They are all scheduled to leave again august 10th. Congress is void of leadership. Another example why the two parties need to end. We need to quit sending money and tell them why. We need to vote out all incumbents and tell them why. The problem is the voting public is just plain blind to the evil that our political system has become. No longer are representatives serving the voters, they have elevated themselves over the people and their cares and needs supersede the good of the American people.
You do understand that dems wrote up their bill 2 months and 10 days ago and republicans are the ones playing switch ,,,,
 
Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.
Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Not paying people more to not work than to work is going to put a kink in your plan to wreck the economy for November 3, huh?

I cannot believe the idiocy of the right. If this is what you truly believe is happening, you deserve to go broke and have your country destroyed. The economy is ALREADY WRECKED.

People cannot go back to work until YOU GET THE FUCKING VIRUS UNDER CONTROL.

THE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD HAS MANAGED TO DO IT. AMERICANS IDIOTS CONTINUE TO THINK THEY CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO WORK OR SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WHILE A PANDEMIC RAGES.

THIS IS INSANITY.

Under control was defined by the CDC is preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. That has been done and is still the case.

Yep. That was the plan when we shut down. All Democrats are doing now is pouncing and attacking, they oppose any plan that doesn't wreck the economy. Any price to win in November!

You haven't done anything of the kind. New York hospitals were completely overwhelmed. Hospitals in Arizona, Texas and Florida are completely overwhelmed right now. Dr. Birx was on TV today saying that the USA now has "3 New Yorks right now".


What is the price of 70,000 new cases every day, with 14,000 of them requiring hospital admissions? Three months of care for those 14,000?


Stop lying already, hospital stays and deaths have been cut drastically. The average hospital stay is less than 3 weeks. And I don't know about the other States, but TX is handling the situation quite well. The major spikes happening in TX are where protest occurred, funny you don't acknowledge that.

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Do you notice how every time Democrats pounce, they start with talking about hospitalizations, but they provide no data on that, they switch to cases and talk abut how many cases there are.

Exactly as you said though, it's hospitalizations that count.

I think the countries that are still imprisoning their population to keep the rate low are setting themselves up for this lasting a decade. It's not going to go away. And virus vaccines aren't the kind that prevent you from getting a virus. They just make it harder and reduce the symptoms and duration. There's no magic bullet for this one
 

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