Anti-gun talking points ….

[Crepitus]

Are you trying to say that no country has invaded another and killed civilians ?

No.

 

[Failzero]

No.

Are you trying to say Modern Warfare should be restrained and Moderated ?

 

[Crepitus]

Are you trying to say Modern Warfare should be restrained and Moderated ?

Whut?

 

[Foxfyre]

A list of the anti-gun talking points that anti-gun extremists use instead of facts, truth and reality…..

White6, the Mitt Romney of our gun debates, Captain caveman,joe, and the other anti-gun extremists are represented on the list……

A. Gun owners are never trained enough so are dangerous and shouldn’t be armed at all.

B. Gun owners who do train are crazy psychos living out their wannabe fantasies itching to shoot someone.

C. Even though it takes orders of magnitude more effort to become marginally effective with martial arts than a gun, you are better off using martial arts and not having a gun.

D. Real Men use their hands. This is why your mom and grandma shouldn’t have guns either.

E. Twitter randos who have never been punched in the face are experts on real life violence, and whatever you have personally experienced doesn’t count.

F. No matter how trained you are, it is never enough for the hypothetical attacker they make up. Sure, your concealed handgun might be enough to stop a regular robber or rapist, but what about if you get attacked by 20 Chechen terrorists with AKs, huh? Huh? (we call this the Dracula Riding Godzilla rule)

G. If the anti-gun vulture was ever in the military, this makes them a Military Trained Expert. Even though most of the time this means they got to put 20 rounds through an M-16 once in 1992.

H. No matter how many certified MMA bad asses or combat vets go “lol wut, dork? I’d rather have a gun.” the anti-gun Twitter vulture will remain undeterred.

I. Goldilocks Rules apply. No matter how much you know about guns, you’re either too ignorant and dangerous, or you know too much and that makes you dangerous. Whatever amount the anti-gun zealot knows is Just Right.

K. Whatever stats they pull out of their ass are sacrosanct. If you cite any numbers they reflexively scream “SOURCE?!” and then have some reason they won’t accept that source when provided. “The actual FBI Crime Statistics? LAME!”

L. At some point they’ll need to talk about how big our penises are, because guns are for compensation. Obviously the female gun owners are compensating for their tiny uteruses.

M. “I believe in the Second Amendment BUUUUUUUUT-” (insert statist bullshit here)

N. If you insist on using terms correctly and words having actual definitions, clearly this demonstrates you are a fanatic. Words mean whatever they need to mean in that moment, especially legal ones.
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S. AR-15s are the most dangerous gun that’s ever existed. It can fire ten thousand ultra deadly murder bullets a second and each one can explode a moose from a thousand yards away. There is nothing this miracle death machine can’t do.

T. lol your AR-15s are utterly useless against a tyrannical government.

U. The NRA is an all-powerful, super evil entity which has tricked innocent Americans into wanting ultra deadly assault rifles, to satisfy their incessant blood lust. They do this through their ultra powerful marketing, like giving out free hats.

The A-Z guide to anti-gun vulture talking points on Facebook | Monster Hunter Nation

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You forgot that guns are thought to be ineffective during a zombie apocalypse.

 

[JoeB131]

Overall gun death declined in 2022, compared to 2021 by 1.9%.

That's actually a pathetically small number. Also, provide a source.

If guns were the problem, overall gun deaths wouldn't have declined.

Guns are the problem, because the number shot up by 20% in 2020 after increasing for years.

guns are not 43 times more liklely to kill you......

Sure they are... you just want to come up with reasons to not count people... "Oh, that was a suicide, and that was an accident, and those people were poor so they don't count."

 

[2aguy]

That's actually a pathetically small number. Also, provide a source.



Guns are the problem, because the number shot up by 20% in 2020 after increasing for years.


Sure they are... you just want to come up with reasons to not count people... "Oh, that was a suicide, and that was an accident, and those people were poor so they don't count."

Because of the non-stop attacks by the democrats against the police because of the Gentle Giant who attacked the police officer. The Defund the police movement reached critical mass and the democrat party cities paid for it with lots of murders.

 

[JoeB131]

Because of the non-stop attacks by the democrats against the police because of the Gentle Giant who attacked the police officer. The Defund the police movement reached critical mass and the democrat party cities paid for it with lots of murders.

Murders also went up in the inbred rural areas... because we live in a country flooded with guns.

Murder Rates Soar in Rural America

The extreme violence long associated with cities has reached America’s smallest communities

www.wsj.com

Cops don't stop murders by abusing black people over petty offenses.

 

[2aguy]

That's actually a pathetically small number. Also, provide a source.



Guns are the problem, because the number shot up by 20% in 2020 after increasing for years.


Sure they are... you just want to come up with reasons to not count people... "Oh, that was a suicide, and that was an accident, and those people were poor so they don't count."

You keep lying about that statistic.....you are vile.

Murders also went up in the inbred rural areas... because we live in a country flooded with guns.

Murder Rates Soar in Rural America

The extreme violence long associated with cities has reached America’s smallest communities

www.wsj.com

Cops don't stop murders by abusing black people over petty offenses.

No....murders went up in blue cities in Red states, you lying asshat...

While state legislatures enact the criminal penalties for different offenses, local governments set the policies that determine whether someone is arrested and convicted. Cities and counties set spending on police and sheriff departments and policing policies. Most states have local elections for district attorneys and trial court judges. In the last few years, many Democrat district attorneys have been accused of going soft on violent criminals. They may also not request bond for criminals. Judges have also released large numbers of inmates from many local jails over the last few years.
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While the murder rates in Trump counties in the states Trump won are only slightly higher than those in Trump counties in states Biden won, the Biden counties in Trump states had an 83% higher murder than in Biden states. This may say more about law enforcement and demographics than it does about state gun control laws.
For example, African Americans commit half the murders in the United States, though they comprise only 13.6% of the population. The counties that Biden won have almost four times the percentage of black voters. That gap is even larger in the counties in the states that Trump carried than the states that Biden carried.
Breaking out large counties with over 100,000 people, which is where 88% of murders in the U.S. occur, shows a similar, though even more extreme, difference. The murder rate data for counties that Biden won is much higher than for those that Trump won.
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The difference between Biden and Trump states is again driven by the Biden counties in the Republican states having much worse murder rates than those in the Democrat states and those are also the counties with the largest black populations.
The murder rates are much higher for Democrat counties both in states that voted for Biden and states that voted for Trump, but it is the high murder rates in Democrat counties that are causing the higher murder rates in Republican states in 2020. The Biden counties in Republican states averaged a murder rate of almost eight per 100,000 people, up from 4.4 in Democrat states. The Trump counties had only slightly higher murder rates in the Republican states.


Murder, They Spun: Selective Stats Leave Suspicious Fingerprints All Over the Crime Debate

 

[JoeB131]

No....murders went up in blue cities in Red states, you lying asshat...

Nope, went up in the rural areas, too. That's what happens when Cleetus and Mary Lou are locked up together.

 

[Failzero]

Nope, went up in the rural areas, too. That's what happens when Cleetus and Mary Lou are locked up together.

When Juan and Rasheed and A few Haitians wind up in the Sticks

 

[2aguy]

Nope, went up in the rural areas, too. That's what happens when Cleetus and Mary Lou are locked up together.

Rural counties controlled by democrats you doofus.

Red states blue cities...



One problem with that: In most of these red states, the high murder rates are driven by the lethal violence in their blue cities.


Take Missouri. Yes, it voted for Trump. But it is also home to two of the most dangerous U.S. cities -- St. Louis and Kansas City -- both of which are run by Democrats. Earlier this year, CBS News did an analysis of the "deadliest U.S. cities" using the latest FBI and other crime data. In 2019, it found, St. Louis had the highest murder rate in the nation, with 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents. Kansas City, meanwhile, had the eighth-highest murder rate, with 29.88 murders per 100,000. According to the FBI, the state had about 520 murders in major metropolitan areas that year, 20 in cities outside metropolitan areas, and 28 in nonmetropolitan counties. So, the vast majority of Missouri's homicides took place in its Democrat-run cities.

The same is true for Louisiana, which has two of the most lethal Democratic-run cities in the country: Baton Rouge, which in 2019 had the sixth-highest murder rate in the nation with 31.72 murders per 100,000 residents, and New Orleans, which had the seventh-highest rate with 30.67 murders per 100,000. Without those cities, the state's murder rate would significantly drop.

That's not all. Tennessee's homicide rate was driven up by Democratic-run Memphis, which ranked ninth in the country with 29.21 homicides per 100,000 residents. Also powering the state's murder rate: then-Democratic-led Chattanooga (No. 29) with 18.15 murders per 100,000 in 2019 (note: the city elected an independent in 2021); Democratic-run Nashville (No. 59) with 12.08 per 100,000; and Democratic-run Knoxville (No. 62) with 11.66 per 100,000.

The same goes for other red states: In Alabama, Democratic-run Birmingham, which ranked third with 50.62 murders per 100,000 citizens, drove up the state murder rate, as did Democratic-run Tuscaloosa (No. 21) with 20.77 per 100,000. Kentucky's murder rate was run up by its largest city, Democratic-run Louisville, which had the 46th-highest murder rate in 2019, with 13.92 homicides per 100,000 residents. Arkansas's rate was driven up by Democratic-run Little Rock, the capital and largest city, which had the 24th-highest murder rate with 19.15 homicides per 100,000 residents. Mississippi's was driven up by the homicides in its Democratic-run capital Jackson, which had a murder rate of 46.5 per 100,000 in 2019.


See a pattern here?

Third Way also claims that 3 of the 5 states with the largest increase in murder rate between 2019 and 2021 were "decidedly rural" red states -- "Trump-voting Wyoming at 91.7%, South Dakota at 69%, and Nebraska at 59.1%." Sounds terrible. Here's what they left out: According to FBI data, Wyoming had a grand total of 13 murders in 2019, or 2.2 per 100,000 residents, while South Dakota had 17 and Nebraska had 45. So even if Wyoming's murder rate nearly doubled, it still saw fewer than 30 murders in 2021. What else are these red states missing besides large murder numbers? Large, crime-ridden, Democratic-run cities.

Third Way does not provide city-by-city data for 2020 in its report, perhaps because this would undermine its red state murder narrative. But the Manhattan Institute's Rafael Mangual gathered data on the 2020 murder rates in the 50 largest U.S. cities -- 34 of which had Democratic mayors, while 14 were led by Republicans (two were led by independents). "The homicide rate in the blue cities was 15.8 per 100,000, compared to 9.4 per 100,000 in the red cities," he found.

And in a May report, his Manhattan Institute colleagues Robert VerBruggen and Christos Makridis examined the growth in the homicide rate per capita in the largest U.S. counties between 2019 and 2020 -- and then compared the rates in GOP-leaning and Democratic-leaning counties. They found that "counties with higher shares of GOP voters have a much lower homicide death rate and a lower number of deaths in 2020" and "also a lower growth in homicide rates."






The 'Red State Murder Problem'? That's Just A Democratic-Driven Myth.

 

[2aguy]

Nope, went up in the rural areas, too. That's what happens when Cleetus and Mary Lou are locked up together.

Also.....

The No. 1 state on Third Way’s list is Mississippi. Sure enough, the statewide vote in the 2020 election was for Trump. But within the state, Hinds County residents voted for Joe Biden, 3 to 1. Mississippi’s biggest city, Jackson, is in Hinds County. You know where this is going.
Reporting on Jackson last year, CNN declared it “one of the deadliest U.S. cities.”

The mayor of Jackson is Chokwe Antar Lumumba, a Democrat. The district attorney is Jody Owens, a Democrat.
No. 2 on the list is Louisiana. Trump won that state, too. But on the more local level, he lost Orleans, the parish that contains New Orleans, the state’s most populous city. Residents there went for Biden almost 8 to 1.
“New Orleans had the highest homicide rate of any major city so far this year, with about 41 homicides per 100,000 residents.”— The Wall Street Journal, Sep. 16, 2022
The mayor of New Orleans is LaToya Cantrell, a Democrat. The district attorney is Jason Williams, also a Democrat.
No. 3 on the list is Kentucky, another red state that voted to elect Trump. But Kentucky’s biggest city Louisville is in Jefferson County and 60 percent of those voters supported Biden.
This is from Kentucky-based think tank Pegasus Institute in August: “In the last decade, the city of Louisville has seen unprecedented increases in shootings and homicides. 2020 became Louisville’s deadliest year on record, and 2021 have proven to continue that trend.” The organization reported last year that Louisville’s homicide rate was competing with the likes of Chicago and Philadelphia.
The mayor of Louisville is Greg Fischer, a Democrat. The district attorney is Thomas B. Wine. He is also a Democrat.
Next is Alabama at No. 4, another 2020 red state. But Biden won the most votes in the most populous county, also called Jefferson. He won 56 percent to Trump’s 43. Within Jefferson is the city of Birmingham, which has the third-highest murder ratein all of the U.S.
The mayor of Birmingham is Randall Woodfin. He’s a Democrat, just like the district attorney, Danny Carr.
In slot No. 5 is Missouri. Again, a Trump state. And again, with the county containing its biggest city, St. Louis, going for Biden, 61 percent to Trump’s 37. St. Louis has the fourth-highest murder rate in the country.
Mayor: Tishaura Jones, Democrat.
County prosecuting attorney: Wesley Bell, same.
No. 6 is South Carolina. Trump won that state, but Charleston County, with the city of North Charleston, went for Biden with 56 percent of the vote. North Charleston has the highest murder rate in the state.
Finally, here we have a city with a mayor, Keith Summey, from the Republican Party. The county solicitor — Charleston does not have a district attorney — is Scarlett Wilson, also a Republican.
Not that we’re keeping score, but that brings the number on this list of Republicans who might feasibly be held accountable for raging crime in their cities to a grand total of two. For Democrats, it’s so far 10.
The next two states on Third Way’s report, New Mexico and Georgia, went blue in 2020, so we’ll skip those.
No. 9 is Arkansas, which was red. But again, Pulaski County, with the state’s biggest city of Little Rock, went blue with 60 percent of voters choosing Biden. That city reportedly has one of the highest violent crime rates in the state. The mayor of Little Rock is Frank Scott, a Democrat. The county prosecutor, Larry Jegley, is a Democrat as well.
Lastly, at No. 10, is Tennessee. Another red state with a major blue county that went for Biden. That county here would be Shelby, with 64 percent of the vote going to the president. In Shelby is the city of Memphis, which, according to The New York Times, “is often ranked among the nation’s most violent cities.”
The mayor of Memphis is Jim Strickland, a Democrat. Steve Mulroy, a Democrat, is the recently-elected district attorney.
To recap, of the eight red states listed in Third Way’s report as being among the top 10 with the highest murder rate, the cities where all that murder is happening are run almost exclusively by Democrats. All but one had a Democrat mayor. And all but one had a Democrat responsible for pursuing criminal prosecutions.


The Left's Funny New Lie: It's The 'Red States' With More Crime!

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[Failzero]

A Rural Area in Oregon or Washington State or New York or New Jersey Or Colorado is different from one in Far Northern California or Texas or Georgia

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

That's actually a pathetically small number. Also, provide a source.



Guns are the problem, because the number shot up by 20% in 2020 after increasing for years.


Sure they are... you just want to come up with reasons to not count people... "Oh, that was a suicide, and that was an accident, and those people were poor so they don't count."

A decrease is a decrease. It's also proof that guns aren't the problem.

 

[Grau]

Murders also went up in the inbred rural areas... because we live in a country flooded with guns.

Murder Rates Soar in Rural America

The extreme violence long associated with cities has reached America’s smallest communities

www.wsj.com

Cops don't stop murders by abusing black people over petty offenses.

If we live in a country flooded with guns and you believe that guns are the problem, why are there over 60 countries that prohibit private gun ownership that have higher homicide rates than the US?

 

[JoeB131]

Rural counties controlled by democrats you doofus.

Red states blue cities...

So... how is it that the mostly rural states with "blue cities" have higher crime rates than the blue states with Blue cities?

The only reason why the "blue cities" look bigger is because they have higher population densities.

 

[JoeB131]

A decrease is a decrease. It's also proof that guns aren't the problem.

Except the gun murder rate went up every year after Heller and McDonald threw out what little common sense gun law there was...

But, oops, it went down fractionally in one study for 2022. Um... success, I guess?

 

[jotathought]

tl; dr; dc.

We have 30K gun deaths a year. No other advanced society has anywhere near as many.

Clearly they are doing something right and we are doing something wrong.

Do "other advanced societies" have lackluster mental illness / health treatment like the United States does, and then blame a symptom and outcome of an underlying problem?

 

[candycorn]

Do "other advanced societies" have lackluster mental illness / health treatment like the United States does, and then blame a symptom and outcome of an underlying problem?

I haven’t studied it that closely. But I am sure they don’t have governors and other elected officials who pledge to never, ever raise taxes and “cut spending to the bone” while decrying the poor state of public services for things like Mental Illness and health treatment.

In our nation, we have one of our two major political parties who have done all of the above.... They will not raise taxes and will seek to cut every possible nickel spent except for sports stadiums and paying coaches not to coach football teams.

 

[jotathought]

I haven’t studied it that closely. But I am sure they don’t have governors and other elected officials who pledge to never, ever raise taxes and “cut spending to the bone” while decrying the poor state of public services for things like Mental Illness and health treatment.

In our nation, we have one of our two major political parties who have done all of the above.... They will not raise taxes and will seek to cut every possible nickel spent except for sports stadiums and paying coaches not to coach football teams.

They also probably don't have 80+ year old leaders who are and have been in cognitive decline; Regardless, what does that have to do with your anti-gun talking point?