Anyone here STILL believe that Trump is all for the "common citizen"?

I am a "common man" and thanks to Trump I will have now have more money to spend on my family instead of giving it to the filthy government so yes I think Trump is "for the common man".

uh-huh. it's only temporary & those making $75K will be hit when the piper comes calling. oh ya.... guess what's next? medicare & social security. gotta pay for them thar tax 'cuts' somehow. & mama's getting old.... how will the nursing home get paid for her? nope.... medicaid ain't gonna do it no' mo.

it's only temporary & those making $75K will be hit when the piper comes calling.

In January, the Dems should introduce a bill to make middle class tax cuts deeper and permanent.
Stick it to those nasty Republicans.
We all know the Dems are all about letting people keep more of their own money.
AMIRIGHT?
 
I am a "common man" and thanks to Trump I will have now have more money to spend on my family instead of giving it to the filthy government so yes I think Trump is "for the common man".

uh-huh. it's only temporary & those making $75K or less will be hit when the piper comes calling. oh ya.... guess what's next? medicare & social security. gotta pay for them thar tax 'cuts' somehow. & mama's getting old.... how will the nursing home get paid for her? nope.... medicaid ain't gonna do it no' mo.

What a surprise, Medicaid doesn't cover nursing homes now...why is that you may ask....because very few nursing homes accept Medicaid. Medicaid may help, but not even close to all.
 
What any american who works hard to scrape by is figuring out is NEITHER party supports working people. It has always been this way always will be. In my 82 years of life it is so easy to see. America..land for the rich by the rich of the rich. Again neither party cares. People will figure it out. I have educated my kids well on this.....you would be proud.


You sound like you are envious.

You think it is OK for the filthy government to steal from people making more money than you and give it to you?

Because that is what it sounds like you trying to rationalize.

In a Democracy like we have the bad thing is that the mob can use the government to steal from you and that is despicable.

In my 70 years of life I have never had a rich person steal from me but I sure as hell have had the filthy ass welfare queens elect politicians who used the government to steal from me so they can get their free stuff.

ever hear of vera coking? she was an old woman.... who trump tried to use the government...... to STEAL her home thru eminent domain. to STEAL her home, so he can bulldoze it & pave her land into a casino parking lot.

so.... you were saying what now? trump is scum.

Elderly Woman Battles Casinos Over Her Home
February 25, 1996|JOHN CURRAN | ASSOCIATED PRESS
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. — Even with giant casino hotels dwarfing her crumbling three-story home, Vera Coking refused to sell.

An unlikely player in a real-life game of Monopoly, the feisty widow turned down $1 million at least once for her 30-by-60-foot lot, and now says she wants $3 million.

She may never get it.

Coking watched from the outside as Donald J. Trump's newest casino project, a 22-story addition to neighboring Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, opened Feb. 16, next door to the home where she has lived for 35 years.

Trump lost out on a bid to have the lot seized in an eminent domain proceeding. So he built around her.

Coking is surrounded on three sides by the casino hotels.

Coking, whose wood-framed house is an eyesore with peeling white paint and a collapsed railing on the second-floor deck, lives on Social Security. Her health is failing, and she is in the process of fighting a condemnation action by the city.

"If they give me the right price, I would sell," said Coking, who appears to be in her 70s.

Her lawyer, Glenn A. Zeitz, continues to push Trump to buy her out. In recent talks, Zeitz said Trump's lawyers indicated that they would not pay more than $1 million. He said the house and lot are worth at least $2 million.

Trump's employees have two words for the 5-foot-5 woman living at 127 Columbia Place. They call her "Trump's ulcer."

"This is not an innocent little darling we're dealing with here," Trump said recently. "This is a tough, cunning, crafty person who has purposely allowed that property to go to hell, right at the foot of the entrance to Atlantic City, so she can get a higher price."

Trump said he doesn't want the property badly enough to pay Coking's price. Odds are that Caesars Atlantic City Hotel Casino, which is across the street in the other direction, won't buy it either.

Coking blames Trump for her predicament.

"He never sat down with me. All he did was destroy my house and destroy my health. He should be ashamed of himself," said Coking, who walks with a cane and speaks with a trace of a European accent.

She has sued Trump over damage to the house during the 1993 demolition of a steel skeleton left hovering just above her house after Penthouse publisher Bob Guccione's casino project on the site went bust.

She also claimed that Trump Plaza workers dumped snow on her sidewalk, causing her to slip and injure her hip.

Trump said he has offered to paint the house and fix it up, but Coking told him no dice.

Elderly Woman Battles Casinos Over Her Home

yaaaaaa.............. lol - go ahead & spin that.
 
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---------------------------------- you sound jealous and envious Playtime .

sure, sure & you sound really wrong. i have a very comfy life & all bills get paid in full & on time. never had to have multiple banks put me on an allowance either like president tinkles did back in the 90's....
 
I am a "common man" and thanks to Trump I will have now have more money to spend on my family instead of giving it to the filthy government so yes I think Trump is "for the common man".

uh-huh. it's only temporary & those making $75K will be hit when the piper comes calling. oh ya.... guess what's next? medicare & social security. gotta pay for them thar tax 'cuts' somehow. & mama's getting old.... how will the nursing home get paid for her? nope.... medicaid ain't gonna do it no' mo.

it's only temporary & those making $75K will be hit when the piper comes calling.

In January, the Dems should introduce a bill to make middle class tax cuts deeper and permanent.
Stick it to those nasty Republicans.
We all know the Dems are all about letting people keep more of their own money.
AMIRIGHT?

not one (D) voted for the bill & the majority are wealthy themselves. why would that be?
 
I am a "common man" and thanks to Trump I will have now have more money to spend on my family instead of giving it to the filthy government so yes I think Trump is "for the common man".

uh-huh. it's only temporary & those making $75K or less will be hit when the piper comes calling. oh ya.... guess what's next? medicare & social security. gotta pay for them thar tax 'cuts' somehow. & mama's getting old.... how will the nursing home get paid for her? nope.... medicaid ain't gonna do it no' mo.

What a surprise, Medicaid doesn't cover nursing homes now...why is that you may ask....because very few nursing homes accept Medicaid. Medicaid may help, but not even close to all.

whatever assets you have gets spent down first. then medicaid kicks in. private homes may not take medicaid - but the majority eventually gets paid for by it...

Medicaid
Medicaid is a joint federal and state program that helps with medical costs for some people with limited income and resources. Most health care costs are covered if you qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid. Most, but not all, nursing homes accept Medicaid payment. Even if you pay out-of-pocket or with long-term care insurance, you may eventually "spend down" your assets while you’re at the nursing home, so it’s good to know if the nursing home you chose will accept Medicaid.

Medicaid programs vary from state to state. Most often, eligibility is based on your income and personal resources. Many states have higher Medicaid income limits for nursing home residents. You may be eligible for Medicaid coverage in a nursing home even if you haven’t qualified for other Medicaid services in the past.

Paying for nursing home care | Medicare.gov
 
You don't think he knows the 1 percenters kicked ass under Obama? You really don't think he will mention it, and I think you re right.
When have one-percenters ever not "kicked ass," as you put it? One-percenters' fortunes don't rise and fall with the POTUS and party holding Congress; what changes is how much and how much faster one-percenter fortunes rise.
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.

Why do you and others who have but the most cursory understanding of finance, business management, financial accounting and tax law, and business law insist on remarking on such things, most especially matters that span all five of those disciplines, thereby calling for more than a novel understanding of any single one or several few?
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Overall, the provisions in the Jobs and Tax Act are not at all likely to inspire firms to repatriate into U.S. banks the cash they hold overseas.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies make money in the U.S. and overseas. Would you rather that firms not conduct business in markets other than the U.S?

Firms that have a common/universal brand, say Apple, are organized as an assortment of individual subsidiary operating companies of a parent holding company. For instance, the Apple that sells products in the U.S. is a distinct operating entity from the Apple that sells them, say, in Europe. Because the U.S. tax code levies corporation taxes at the operating entity level and geography, businesses like "Apple Europe" can earn money in Europe and hold it there, and so long as the money doesn't make its way into "Apple USA's" coffers, the U.S. government cannot tax it because the money is not owned by a U.S. taxpayer or by a foreign taxpayer that earned the money in the U.S.

Were the U.S. to levy taxes at the consolidated level, there'd be no incentive for firms to hold their money in specifically foreign banks, other than when/if those banks offering better interest rates or some other set of benefits (inherent to the bank in question) that a U.S. bank would/does not.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies don't send money overseas. They earn it there to begin with and then either hold it there as cash, or, occasionally, they upgrade their revenue producing operations, though the former is largely what they do.
Were it so that firms holding huge cash stores overseas primarily, in choosing whether to invest overseas or invest in the U.S., put the money toward overseas long term capital investment undertakings, the whole notion of passing legislation to catalyze their repatriating the money would be for naught. No company is going to abandon billion-dollar facilities in one place merely to realize a one-time "reprieve" on a transfer of cash and cash equivalents.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
I happily accord respect to, though not concurrence with, your normative conclusion in that regard.

My normative position is that firms should invest -- be it capital or financial investing -- in whatever opportunities their sound analysis indicates will, given business risk constraints owners expect their firm's managers to mitigate, maximize profits. Sometimes that means investing in the U.S. and other times it does not at all mean that. There is no one nation wherein a multinational firm can always invest and also maximize profit.
 
Sounds reasonable. He's been shitting gold since the day of the election.

<pfffft> & the tribble he sports as a hairpiece makes him a shithead.
I'm not really giving a shit about his hair. Is that what makes your life complete? His hair?

is that what you took away from my reply? lol.... trump loves the poorly educated & you sure take that job seriously. :eusa_clap:
 
Sounds reasonable. He's been shitting gold since the day of the election.

<pfffft> & the tribble he sports as a hairpiece makes him a shithead.
I'm not really giving a shit about his hair. Is that what makes your life complete? His hair?

is that what you took away from my reply? lol.... trump loves the poorly educated & you sure take that job seriously. :eusa_clap:
You made a hair joke and still think you're the intelligent one in this conversation? You have a fart joke or maybe a little Johnny joke to follow up with or something?
 
I am a "common man" and thanks to Trump I will have now have more money to spend on my family instead of giving it to the filthy government so yes I think Trump is "for the common man".

uh-huh. it's only temporary & those making $75K will be hit when the piper comes calling. oh ya.... guess what's next? medicare & social security. gotta pay for them thar tax 'cuts' somehow. & mama's getting old.... how will the nursing home get paid for her? nope.... medicaid ain't gonna do it no' mo.

it's only temporary & those making $75K will be hit when the piper comes calling.

In January, the Dems should introduce a bill to make middle class tax cuts deeper and permanent.
Stick it to those nasty Republicans.
We all know the Dems are all about letting people keep more of their own money.
AMIRIGHT?

not one (D) voted for the bill & the majority are wealthy themselves. why would that be?

not one (D) voted for the bill

They should write a new, strictly middle class tax cut.
What's stopping them?
 
What any american who works hard to scrape by is figuring out is NEITHER party supports working people. It has always been this way always will be. In my 82 years of life it is so easy to see. America..land for the rich by the rich of the rich. Again neither party cares. People will figure it out. I have educated my kids well on this.....you would be proud.


You sound like you are envious.

You think it is OK for the filthy government to steal from people making more money than you and give it to you?

Because that is what it sounds like you trying to rationalize.

In a Democracy like we have the bad thing is that the mob can use the government to steal from you and that is despicable.

In my 70 years of life I have never had a rich person steal from me but I sure as hell have had the filthy ass welfare queens elect politicians who used the government to steal from me so they can get their free stuff.

ever hear of vera coking? she was an old woman.... who trump tried to use the government...... to STEAL her home thru eminent domain. to STEAL her home, so he can bulldoze it & pave her land into a casino parking lot.

so.... you were saying what now? trump is scum.

Elderly Woman Battles Casinos Over Her Home
February 25, 1996|JOHN CURRAN | ASSOCIATED PRESS
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. — Even with giant casino hotels dwarfing her crumbling three-story home, Vera Coking refused to sell.

An unlikely player in a real-life game of Monopoly, the feisty widow turned down $1 million at least once for her 30-by-60-foot lot, and now says she wants $3 million.

She may never get it.

Coking watched from the outside as Donald J. Trump's newest casino project, a 22-story addition to neighboring Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, opened Feb. 16, next door to the home where she has lived for 35 years.

Trump lost out on a bid to have the lot seized in an eminent domain proceeding. So he built around her.

Coking is surrounded on three sides by the casino hotels.

Coking, whose wood-framed house is an eyesore with peeling white paint and a collapsed railing on the second-floor deck, lives on Social Security. Her health is failing, and she is in the process of fighting a condemnation action by the city.

"If they give me the right price, I would sell," said Coking, who appears to be in her 70s.

Her lawyer, Glenn A. Zeitz, continues to push Trump to buy her out. In recent talks, Zeitz said Trump's lawyers indicated that they would not pay more than $1 million. He said the house and lot are worth at least $2 million.

Trump's employees have two words for the 5-foot-5 woman living at 127 Columbia Place. They call her "Trump's ulcer."

"This is not an innocent little darling we're dealing with here," Trump said recently. "This is a tough, cunning, crafty person who has purposely allowed that property to go to hell, right at the foot of the entrance to Atlantic City, so she can get a higher price."

Trump said he doesn't want the property badly enough to pay Coking's price. Odds are that Caesars Atlantic City Hotel Casino, which is across the street in the other direction, won't buy it either.

Coking blames Trump for her predicament.

"He never sat down with me. All he did was destroy my house and destroy my health. He should be ashamed of himself," said Coking, who walks with a cane and speaks with a trace of a European accent.

She has sued Trump over damage to the house during the 1993 demolition of a steel skeleton left hovering just above her house after Penthouse publisher Bob Guccione's casino project on the site went bust.

She also claimed that Trump Plaza workers dumped snow on her sidewalk, causing her to slip and injure her hip.

Trump said he has offered to paint the house and fix it up, but Coking told him no dice.

Elderly Woman Battles Casinos Over Her Home

yaaaaaa.............. lol - go ahead & spin that.


Go bitch to Trump about that. I don't give a shit Moon Bat.

The welfare queens using the government to steal from me is a far more oppressive thing in my life than some businessman influencing politicians to use eminent domain for their benefit.

Every year I pay a ton in income tax that is used to provide welfare to the welfare queens and the illegals and the Muslim refugees and all that other scum that elect Liberals to take my money.

Trump has paid hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions in taxes and has given hundreds of millions to charity. Far more than you have so just shut the fuck up with you mindless anti Trump hate. It just makes you look like a fool.
 
I am a "common man" and thanks to Trump I will have now have more money to spend on my family instead of giving it to the filthy government so yes I think Trump is "for the common man".

uh-huh. it's only temporary & those making $75K will be hit when the piper comes calling. oh ya.... guess what's next? medicare & social security. gotta pay for them thar tax 'cuts' somehow. & mama's getting old.... how will the nursing home get paid for her? nope.... medicaid ain't gonna do it no' mo.

it's only temporary & those making $75K will be hit when the piper comes calling.

In January, the Dems should introduce a bill to make middle class tax cuts deeper and permanent.
Stick it to those nasty Republicans.
We all know the Dems are all about letting people keep more of their own money.
AMIRIGHT?

not one (D) voted for the bill & the majority are wealthy themselves. why would that be?


All those Democrats in Congress are stupid far Left limousine Libtards. You can't explain stupidity like that.

You would think that if they really gave a shit about real Americans they would have supported a tax reduction that would have made up for a little of the reduced family income that we got with Obama.

Most of the people that elect Democrats are in that 49% that don't pay income taxes so why should they care?
 
You don't think he knows the 1 percenters kicked ass under Obama? You really don't think he will mention it, and I think you re right.
When have one-percenters ever not "kicked ass," as you put it? One-percenters' fortunes don't rise and fall with the POTUS and party holding Congress; what changes is how much and how much faster one-percenter fortunes rise.
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.

Why do you and others who have but the most cursory understanding of finance, business management, financial accounting and tax law, and business law insist on remarking on such things, most especially matters that span all five of those disciplines, thereby calling for more than a novel understanding of any single one or several few?
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Overall, the provisions in the Jobs and Tax Act are not at all likely to inspire firms to repatriate into U.S. banks the cash they hold overseas.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies make money in the U.S. and overseas. Would you rather that firms not conduct business in markets other than the U.S?

Firms that have a common/universal brand, say Apple, are organized as an assortment of individual subsidiary operating companies of a parent holding company. For instance, the Apple that sells products in the U.S. is a distinct operating entity from the Apple that sells them, say, in Europe. Because the U.S. tax code levies corporation taxes at the operating entity level and geography, businesses like "Apple Europe" can earn money in Europe and hold it there, and so long as the money doesn't make its way into "Apple USA's" coffers, the U.S. government cannot tax it because the money is not owned by a U.S. taxpayer or by a foreign taxpayer that earned the money in the U.S.

Were the U.S. to levy taxes at the consolidated level, there'd be no incentive for firms to hold their money in specifically foreign banks, other than when/if those banks offering better interest rates or some other set of benefits (inherent to the bank in question) that a U.S. bank would/does not.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies don't send money overseas. They earn it there to begin with and then either hold it there as cash, or, occasionally, they upgrade their revenue producing operations, though the former is largely what they do.
Were it so that firms holding huge cash stores overseas primarily, in choosing whether to invest overseas or invest in the U.S., put the money toward overseas long term capital investment undertakings, the whole notion of passing legislation to catalyze their repatriating the money would be for naught. No company is going to abandon billion-dollar facilities in one place merely to realize a one-time "reprieve" on a transfer of cash and cash equivalents.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
I happily accord respect to, though not concurrence with, your normative conclusion in that regard.

My normative position is that firms should invest -- be it capital or financial investing -- in whatever opportunities their sound analysis indicates will, given business risk constraints owners expect their firm's managers to mitigate, maximize profits. Sometimes that means investing in the U.S. and other times it does not at all mean that. There is no one nation wherein a multinational firm can always invest and also maximize profit.

You do realize that something is better than nothing? Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.
 
You don't think he knows the 1 percenters kicked ass under Obama? You really don't think he will mention it, and I think you re right.
When have one-percenters ever not "kicked ass," as you put it? One-percenters' fortunes don't rise and fall with the POTUS and party holding Congress; what changes is how much and how much faster one-percenter fortunes rise.
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.

Why do you and others who have but the most cursory understanding of finance, business management, financial accounting and tax law, and business law insist on remarking on such things, most especially matters that span all five of those disciplines, thereby calling for more than a novel understanding of any single one or several few?
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Overall, the provisions in the Jobs and Tax Act are not at all likely to inspire firms to repatriate into U.S. banks the cash they hold overseas.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies make money in the U.S. and overseas. Would you rather that firms not conduct business in markets other than the U.S?

Firms that have a common/universal brand, say Apple, are organized as an assortment of individual subsidiary operating companies of a parent holding company. For instance, the Apple that sells products in the U.S. is a distinct operating entity from the Apple that sells them, say, in Europe. Because the U.S. tax code levies corporation taxes at the operating entity level and geography, businesses like "Apple Europe" can earn money in Europe and hold it there, and so long as the money doesn't make its way into "Apple USA's" coffers, the U.S. government cannot tax it because the money is not owned by a U.S. taxpayer or by a foreign taxpayer that earned the money in the U.S.

Were the U.S. to levy taxes at the consolidated level, there'd be no incentive for firms to hold their money in specifically foreign banks, other than when/if those banks offering better interest rates or some other set of benefits (inherent to the bank in question) that a U.S. bank would/does not.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies don't send money overseas. They earn it there to begin with and then either hold it there as cash, or, occasionally, they upgrade their revenue producing operations, though the former is largely what they do.
Were it so that firms holding huge cash stores overseas primarily, in choosing whether to invest overseas or invest in the U.S., put the money toward overseas long term capital investment undertakings, the whole notion of passing legislation to catalyze their repatriating the money would be for naught. No company is going to abandon billion-dollar facilities in one place merely to realize a one-time "reprieve" on a transfer of cash and cash equivalents.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
I happily accord respect to, though not concurrence with, your normative conclusion in that regard.

My normative position is that firms should invest -- be it capital or financial investing -- in whatever opportunities their sound analysis indicates will, given business risk constraints owners expect their firm's managers to mitigate, maximize profits. Sometimes that means investing in the U.S. and other times it does not at all mean that. There is no one nation wherein a multinational firm can always invest and also maximize profit.

You do realize that something is better than nothing? Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.

Wow! Two blatantly fallacious lines of reasoning in one very short post.
You do realize that something is better than nothing?
I do not accept that "something is better than nothing." I do not because that line of reasoning is fallacious; it's called either the "four terms fallacy" or "equivocation," depending on the structure of the argument/assertion in which it's presented.

Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.
Be that as it may, it is counterfactual to presume that 1/4th of the "heavyweights" will "invest again" such that their doing so produces a materially measurable increase in U.S.-located jobs. It is all the more so in light of numerous CEOs asserting that creating jobs is not what they will do with JTCA savings. (See: CEOs admit they won't create jobs with their tax cut money)​
 
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You don't think he knows the 1 percenters kicked ass under Obama? You really don't think he will mention it, and I think you re right.
When have one-percenters ever not "kicked ass," as you put it? One-percenters' fortunes don't rise and fall with the POTUS and party holding Congress; what changes is how much and how much faster one-percenter fortunes rise.
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.

Why do you and others who have but the most cursory understanding of finance, business management, financial accounting and tax law, and business law insist on remarking on such things, most especially matters that span all five of those disciplines, thereby calling for more than a novel understanding of any single one or several few?
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Overall, the provisions in the Jobs and Tax Act are not at all likely to inspire firms to repatriate into U.S. banks the cash they hold overseas.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies make money in the U.S. and overseas. Would you rather that firms not conduct business in markets other than the U.S?

Firms that have a common/universal brand, say Apple, are organized as an assortment of individual subsidiary operating companies of a parent holding company. For instance, the Apple that sells products in the U.S. is a distinct operating entity from the Apple that sells them, say, in Europe. Because the U.S. tax code levies corporation taxes at the operating entity level and geography, businesses like "Apple Europe" can earn money in Europe and hold it there, and so long as the money doesn't make its way into "Apple USA's" coffers, the U.S. government cannot tax it because the money is not owned by a U.S. taxpayer or by a foreign taxpayer that earned the money in the U.S.

Were the U.S. to levy taxes at the consolidated level, there'd be no incentive for firms to hold their money in specifically foreign banks, other than when/if those banks offering better interest rates or some other set of benefits (inherent to the bank in question) that a U.S. bank would/does not.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies don't send money overseas. They earn it there to begin with and then either hold it there as cash, or, occasionally, they upgrade their revenue producing operations, though the former is largely what they do.
Were it so that firms holding huge cash stores overseas primarily, in choosing whether to invest overseas or invest in the U.S., put the money toward overseas long term capital investment undertakings, the whole notion of passing legislation to catalyze their repatriating the money would be for naught. No company is going to abandon billion-dollar facilities in one place merely to realize a one-time "reprieve" on a transfer of cash and cash equivalents.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
I happily accord respect to, though not concurrence with, your normative conclusion in that regard.

My normative position is that firms should invest -- be it capital or financial investing -- in whatever opportunities their sound analysis indicates will, given business risk constraints owners expect their firm's managers to mitigate, maximize profits. Sometimes that means investing in the U.S. and other times it does not at all mean that. There is no one nation wherein a multinational firm can always invest and also maximize profit.

You do realize that something is better than nothing? Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.

Wow! Two blatantly fallacious lines of reasoning in one very short post.
You do realize that something is better than nothing?
I do not accept that "something is better than nothing." I do not because that line of reasoning is fallacious; it's called either the "four terms fallacy" or "equivocation," depending on the structure of the argument/assertion in which it's presented.

Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.
Be that as it may, it is counterfactual to presume that 1/4th of the "heavyweights" will "invest again" such that their doing so produces a materially measurable increase in U.S.-located jobs. It is all the more so in light of numerous CEOs asserting that creating jobs is not what they will do with JTCA savings. (See: CEOs admit they won't create jobs with their tax cut money)​
According to you, those rich people will remain that way, so why cant the investments that do supply jobs be celebrated? Debbie Downer.
 
You don't think he knows the 1 percenters kicked ass under Obama? You really don't think he will mention it, and I think you re right.
When have one-percenters ever not "kicked ass," as you put it? One-percenters' fortunes don't rise and fall with the POTUS and party holding Congress; what changes is how much and how much faster one-percenter fortunes rise.
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.

Why do you and others who have but the most cursory understanding of finance, business management, financial accounting and tax law, and business law insist on remarking on such things, most especially matters that span all five of those disciplines, thereby calling for more than a novel understanding of any single one or several few?
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Overall, the provisions in the Jobs and Tax Act are not at all likely to inspire firms to repatriate into U.S. banks the cash they hold overseas.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies make money in the U.S. and overseas. Would you rather that firms not conduct business in markets other than the U.S?

Firms that have a common/universal brand, say Apple, are organized as an assortment of individual subsidiary operating companies of a parent holding company. For instance, the Apple that sells products in the U.S. is a distinct operating entity from the Apple that sells them, say, in Europe. Because the U.S. tax code levies corporation taxes at the operating entity level and geography, businesses like "Apple Europe" can earn money in Europe and hold it there, and so long as the money doesn't make its way into "Apple USA's" coffers, the U.S. government cannot tax it because the money is not owned by a U.S. taxpayer or by a foreign taxpayer that earned the money in the U.S.

Were the U.S. to levy taxes at the consolidated level, there'd be no incentive for firms to hold their money in specifically foreign banks, other than when/if those banks offering better interest rates or some other set of benefits (inherent to the bank in question) that a U.S. bank would/does not.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies don't send money overseas. They earn it there to begin with and then either hold it there as cash, or, occasionally, they upgrade their revenue producing operations, though the former is largely what they do.
Were it so that firms holding huge cash stores overseas primarily, in choosing whether to invest overseas or invest in the U.S., put the money toward overseas long term capital investment undertakings, the whole notion of passing legislation to catalyze their repatriating the money would be for naught. No company is going to abandon billion-dollar facilities in one place merely to realize a one-time "reprieve" on a transfer of cash and cash equivalents.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
I happily accord respect to, though not concurrence with, your normative conclusion in that regard.

My normative position is that firms should invest -- be it capital or financial investing -- in whatever opportunities their sound analysis indicates will, given business risk constraints owners expect their firm's managers to mitigate, maximize profits. Sometimes that means investing in the U.S. and other times it does not at all mean that. There is no one nation wherein a multinational firm can always invest and also maximize profit.

You do realize that something is better than nothing? Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.

Wow! Two blatantly fallacious lines of reasoning in one very short post.
You do realize that something is better than nothing?
I do not accept that "something is better than nothing." I do not because that line of reasoning is fallacious; it's called either the "four terms fallacy" or "equivocation," depending on the structure of the argument/assertion in which it's presented.

Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.
Be that as it may, it is counterfactual to presume that 1/4th of the "heavyweights" will "invest again" such that their doing so produces a materially measurable increase in U.S.-located jobs. It is all the more so in light of numerous CEOs asserting that creating jobs is not what they will do with JTCA savings. (See: CEOs admit they won't create jobs with their tax cut money)​
According to you, those rich people will remain that way, so why cant the investments that do supply jobs be celebrated? Debbie Downer.

They cannot right now be celebrated, or at least I won't right now celebrate, because I don't "count chickens before they hatch" and because I don't assume "hens" are "fertile" at any point in time until I've observed that they've "laid an egg."
 
You don't think he knows the 1 percenters kicked ass under Obama? You really don't think he will mention it, and I think you re right.
When have one-percenters ever not "kicked ass," as you put it? One-percenters' fortunes don't rise and fall with the POTUS and party holding Congress; what changes is how much and how much faster one-percenter fortunes rise.
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.

Why do you and others who have but the most cursory understanding of finance, business management, financial accounting and tax law, and business law insist on remarking on such things, most especially matters that span all five of those disciplines, thereby calling for more than a novel understanding of any single one or several few?
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Overall, the provisions in the Jobs and Tax Act are not at all likely to inspire firms to repatriate into U.S. banks the cash they hold overseas.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies make money in the U.S. and overseas. Would you rather that firms not conduct business in markets other than the U.S?

Firms that have a common/universal brand, say Apple, are organized as an assortment of individual subsidiary operating companies of a parent holding company. For instance, the Apple that sells products in the U.S. is a distinct operating entity from the Apple that sells them, say, in Europe. Because the U.S. tax code levies corporation taxes at the operating entity level and geography, businesses like "Apple Europe" can earn money in Europe and hold it there, and so long as the money doesn't make its way into "Apple USA's" coffers, the U.S. government cannot tax it because the money is not owned by a U.S. taxpayer or by a foreign taxpayer that earned the money in the U.S.

Were the U.S. to levy taxes at the consolidated level, there'd be no incentive for firms to hold their money in specifically foreign banks, other than when/if those banks offering better interest rates or some other set of benefits (inherent to the bank in question) that a U.S. bank would/does not.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies don't send money overseas. They earn it there to begin with and then either hold it there as cash, or, occasionally, they upgrade their revenue producing operations, though the former is largely what they do.
Were it so that firms holding huge cash stores overseas primarily, in choosing whether to invest overseas or invest in the U.S., put the money toward overseas long term capital investment undertakings, the whole notion of passing legislation to catalyze their repatriating the money would be for naught. No company is going to abandon billion-dollar facilities in one place merely to realize a one-time "reprieve" on a transfer of cash and cash equivalents.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
I happily accord respect to, though not concurrence with, your normative conclusion in that regard.

My normative position is that firms should invest -- be it capital or financial investing -- in whatever opportunities their sound analysis indicates will, given business risk constraints owners expect their firm's managers to mitigate, maximize profits. Sometimes that means investing in the U.S. and other times it does not at all mean that. There is no one nation wherein a multinational firm can always invest and also maximize profit.

You do realize that something is better than nothing? Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.

Wow! Two blatantly fallacious lines of reasoning in one very short post.
You do realize that something is better than nothing?
I do not accept that "something is better than nothing." I do not because that line of reasoning is fallacious; it's called either the "four terms fallacy" or "equivocation," depending on the structure of the argument/assertion in which it's presented.

Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.
Be that as it may, it is counterfactual to presume that 1/4th of the "heavyweights" will "invest again" such that their doing so produces a materially measurable increase in U.S.-located jobs. It is all the more so in light of numerous CEOs asserting that creating jobs is not what they will do with JTCA savings. (See: CEOs admit they won't create jobs with their tax cut money)​
According to you, those rich people will remain that way, so why cant the investments that do supply jobs be celebrated? Debbie Downer.

They cannot right now be celebrated, or at least I won't right now celebrate, because I don't "count chickens before they hatch" and because I don't assume "hens" are "fertile" at any point in time until I've observed that they've "laid an egg."
You must not be a Democrat or progressive then.
 
You don't think he knows the 1 percenters kicked ass under Obama? You really don't think he will mention it, and I think you re right.
When have one-percenters ever not "kicked ass," as you put it? One-percenters' fortunes don't rise and fall with the POTUS and party holding Congress; what changes is how much and how much faster one-percenter fortunes rise.
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.

Why do you and others who have but the most cursory understanding of finance, business management, financial accounting and tax law, and business law insist on remarking on such things, most especially matters that span all five of those disciplines, thereby calling for more than a novel understanding of any single one or several few?
Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Overall, the provisions in the Jobs and Tax Act are not at all likely to inspire firms to repatriate into U.S. banks the cash they hold overseas.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies make money in the U.S. and overseas. Would you rather that firms not conduct business in markets other than the U.S?

Firms that have a common/universal brand, say Apple, are organized as an assortment of individual subsidiary operating companies of a parent holding company. For instance, the Apple that sells products in the U.S. is a distinct operating entity from the Apple that sells them, say, in Europe. Because the U.S. tax code levies corporation taxes at the operating entity level and geography, businesses like "Apple Europe" can earn money in Europe and hold it there, and so long as the money doesn't make its way into "Apple USA's" coffers, the U.S. government cannot tax it because the money is not owned by a U.S. taxpayer or by a foreign taxpayer that earned the money in the U.S.

Were the U.S. to levy taxes at the consolidated level, there'd be no incentive for firms to hold their money in specifically foreign banks, other than when/if those banks offering better interest rates or some other set of benefits (inherent to the bank in question) that a U.S. bank would/does not.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
Companies don't send money overseas. They earn it there to begin with and then either hold it there as cash, or, occasionally, they upgrade their revenue producing operations, though the former is largely what they do.
Were it so that firms holding huge cash stores overseas primarily, in choosing whether to invest overseas or invest in the U.S., put the money toward overseas long term capital investment undertakings, the whole notion of passing legislation to catalyze their repatriating the money would be for naught. No company is going to abandon billion-dollar facilities in one place merely to realize a one-time "reprieve" on a transfer of cash and cash equivalents.

Why would they thrive during Obama's administration, at least in America they didn't. Although they did it by sending money overseas. They should be investing here. Now they will.
I happily accord respect to, though not concurrence with, your normative conclusion in that regard.

My normative position is that firms should invest -- be it capital or financial investing -- in whatever opportunities their sound analysis indicates will, given business risk constraints owners expect their firm's managers to mitigate, maximize profits. Sometimes that means investing in the U.S. and other times it does not at all mean that. There is no one nation wherein a multinational firm can always invest and also maximize profit.

You do realize that something is better than nothing? Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.

Wow! Two blatantly fallacious lines of reasoning in one very short post.
You do realize that something is better than nothing?
I do not accept that "something is better than nothing." I do not because that line of reasoning is fallacious; it's called either the "four terms fallacy" or "equivocation," depending on the structure of the argument/assertion in which it's presented.

Even one quarter of heavyweights investing again will jolt the economy and create jobs. Remember poor men do not hire people.
Be that as it may, it is counterfactual to presume that 1/4th of the "heavyweights" will "invest again" such that their doing so produces a materially measurable increase in U.S.-located jobs. It is all the more so in light of numerous CEOs asserting that creating jobs is not what they will do with JTCA savings. (See: CEOs admit they won't create jobs with their tax cut money)​
According to you, those rich people will remain that way, so why cant the investments that do supply jobs be celebrated? Debbie Downer.

They cannot right now be celebrated, or at least I won't right now celebrate, because I don't "count chickens before they hatch" and because I don't assume "hens" are "fertile" at any point in time until I've observed that they've "laid an egg."
You must not be a Democrat or progressive then.
Were you thinking I am?
 

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