Are atheists materialists?

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He was a devout Catholic. The Lord of the Rings Trilogy is a Christian allegory.

I've read The Sillmarillion, don't fret.

You're too dogmatic.

I'm actually the least dogmatic Christian I know. But thanks for sharing.

I can't get a handle on what you are talking about.

Nothing to get my teeth into.

Did you read the OP?

It said Ding.

I’ll take that as a no.

 

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So you don't know where the life force resides.

You don't know how you know it doesn't originate from the corporeal.

But you know it doesn't originate from the corporeal.

You don't know why you believe it exists.

You just believe it exists, right?

Do you have complete trust that it exists?

I believe it exists. Isn't that enough for the purposes of this discussion?

You cannot prove the existence of God, and yet your entire belief system depends on it.

Actually no it's not. My argument is that those beliefs are incongruent.

I don't think they can be logically proven.

If the reasons for that belief cannot even be listed, it literally proves my point.

No, it does not prove your point. Being an atheist simply means I do not believe in god. It does not mean I do not believe in spiritual things even. My case in point was Buddhism. Buddhists are very spiritual, but do not believe in any god, as such.

Then list all the reasons you believe a life force exists. I don't believe you can list one thing.

Your delusions are irrelevant. WinterBorn's point stands. You are wrong.

Can you explain why?

 

[Mindful]

I've read The Sillmarillion, don't fret.

You're too dogmatic.

I'm actually the least dogmatic Christian I know. But thanks for sharing.

I can't get a handle on what you are talking about.

Nothing to get my teeth into.

Did you read the OP?

It said Ding.

I’ll take that as a no.

Take it any way you like.

 

[ding]

Too late the trap has been sprung.

LMAO!! Trap? No junior. No trap has been sprung.

I am more than happy for you to deny your own life experiences in believing that this life force you believe in isn't sentient. So, yeah... it kind of has.

Not at all. It still boils down to the fact that I do not believe in god, and that I believe in the incorporeal that did not originate in the corporeal. The first means I am an atheist. The second part means I am not a materialist.

I hope you won't mind it if I believe your beliefs are illogical because they are mutually exclusive

You are welcome to your beliefs, accuracy is not required.

The truth usually hurts before it helps.

 

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The atheist position that they aren't materialists is illogical.

There's no 'atheist position'. You're hell bent on defining atheism as a religion, or a group with some unified agenda, but it's a silly mission. Atheist aren't your enemies. They just don't believe in gods.

It’s called logic. Do you believe in a life force?

 

[Mindful]

The atheist position that they aren't materialists is illogical.

There's no 'atheist position'. You're hell bent on defining atheism as a religion, or a group with some unified agenda, but it's a silly mission. Atheist aren't your enemies. They just don't believe in gods.

It’s called logic. Do you believe in a life force?

After engaging with you; no.

 

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The atheist position that they aren't materialists is illogical.

There's no 'atheist position'. You're hell bent on defining atheism as a religion, or a group with some unified agenda, but it's a silly mission. Atheist aren't your enemies. They just don't believe in gods.

It’s called logic. Do you believe in a life force?

After engaging with you; no.

People aren’t all bad or all good.

 

[ding]

1 through 7.
10, 11 and 13.

These are items you disagreed with from the materialism column, right?

Sort of. Evolution and probably alien intervention.

We also look for the why.

So I guess maybe really only 9, lol.

And #9 was the only one you agreed with from the spiritual column, right?

So let's focus on item #1 which you rejected from both columns.

Can you explain to me what the option is that isn't listed that you associate yourself with?

 

[Taz]

1 through 7.
10, 11 and 13.

These are items you disagreed with from the materialism column, right?

Sort of. Evolution and probably alien intervention.

We also look for the why.

So I guess maybe really only 9, lol.

And #9 was the only one you agreed with from the spiritual column, right?

So let's focus on item #1 which you rejected from both columns.

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Can you explain to me what the option is that isn't listed that you associate yourself with?

Neither. I think that there is matter we can see and matter that we can't see, as well as a potential spiritual plane/dimension. Maybe even other dimensions that we haven't thought about.

 

[ding]

1 through 7.
10, 11 and 13.

These are items you disagreed with from the materialism column, right?

Sort of. Evolution and probably alien intervention.

We also look for the why.

So I guess maybe really only 9, lol.

And #9 was the only one you agreed with from the spiritual column, right?

So let's focus on item #1 which you rejected from both columns.

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Can you explain to me what the option is that isn't listed that you associate yourself with?

Neither. I think that there is matter we can see and matter that we can't see, as well as a potential spiritual plane/dimension. Maybe even other dimensions that we haven't thought about.

That's the spiritual column, Taz. Two substances that exist; matter and mind.

It's called dualism and is what WB believes even though he is an atheist.

 

[Taz]

1 through 7.
10, 11 and 13.

These are items you disagreed with from the materialism column, right?

Sort of. Evolution and probably alien intervention.

We also look for the why.

So I guess maybe really only 9, lol.

And #9 was the only one you agreed with from the spiritual column, right?

So let's focus on item #1 which you rejected from both columns.

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Can you explain to me what the option is that isn't listed that you associate yourself with?

Neither. I think that there is matter we can see and matter that we can't see, as well as a potential spiritual plane/dimension. Maybe even other dimensions that we haven't thought about.

That's the spiritual column, Taz. Two substances that exist; matter and mind.

I never mentioned the mind, it's out of place in this argument. So neither.

 

[ding]

1 through 7.
10, 11 and 13.

These are items you disagreed with from the materialism column, right?

Sort of. Evolution and probably alien intervention.

We also look for the why.

So I guess maybe really only 9, lol.

And #9 was the only one you agreed with from the spiritual column, right?

So let's focus on item #1 which you rejected from both columns.

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Can you explain to me what the option is that isn't listed that you associate yourself with?

Neither. I think that there is matter we can see and matter that we can't see, as well as a potential spiritual plane/dimension. Maybe even other dimensions that we haven't thought about.

That's the spiritual column, Taz. Two substances that exist; matter and mind.

I never mentioned the mind, it's out of place in this argument. So neither.

Mind represents the spirit. The only question would be whether mind proceeded from the material world or not. Atheists believe the mind proceeds from the material world. Spiritualists believe the material world proceeded from mind/spirit.

You have selected neither. Which is just as illogical as WB.

 

[Taz]

1 through 7.
10, 11 and 13.

These are items you disagreed with from the materialism column, right?

Sort of. Evolution and probably alien intervention.

We also look for the why.

So I guess maybe really only 9, lol.

And #9 was the only one you agreed with from the spiritual column, right?

So let's focus on item #1 which you rejected from both columns.

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Can you explain to me what the option is that isn't listed that you associate yourself with?

Neither. I think that there is matter we can see and matter that we can't see, as well as a potential spiritual plane/dimension. Maybe even other dimensions that we haven't thought about.

That's the spiritual column, Taz. Two substances that exist; matter and mind.

I never mentioned the mind, it's out of place in this argument. So neither.

Mind represents the spirit. The only question would be whether mind proceeded from the material world or not. Atheists believe the mind proceeds from the material world. Spiritualists believe the material world proceeded from mind/spirit.

You have selected neither. Which is just as illogical as WB.

I don't pretend to know such an unsolved question. You could say that I'm agnostic on that question.

 

[ding]

These are items you disagreed with from the materialism column, right?

And #9 was the only one you agreed with from the spiritual column, right?

So let's focus on item #1 which you rejected from both columns.

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Can you explain to me what the option is that isn't listed that you associate yourself with?

Neither. I think that there is matter we can see and matter that we can't see, as well as a potential spiritual plane/dimension. Maybe even other dimensions that we haven't thought about.

That's the spiritual column, Taz. Two substances that exist; matter and mind.

I never mentioned the mind, it's out of place in this argument. So neither.

Mind represents the spirit. The only question would be whether mind proceeded from the material world or not. Atheists believe the mind proceeds from the material world. Spiritualists believe the material world proceeded from mind/spirit.

You have selected neither. Which is just as illogical as WB.

I don't pretend to know such an unsolved question. You could say that I'm agnostic on that question.

You dodge better than WB when confronted with your incongruence.

I'm good. I've proven my point. Thanks.

 

[Taz]

Neither. I think that there is matter we can see and matter that we can't see, as well as a potential spiritual plane/dimension. Maybe even other dimensions that we haven't thought about.

That's the spiritual column, Taz. Two substances that exist; matter and mind.

I never mentioned the mind, it's out of place in this argument. So neither.

Mind represents the spirit. The only question would be whether mind proceeded from the material world or not. Atheists believe the mind proceeds from the material world. Spiritualists believe the material world proceeded from mind/spirit.

You have selected neither. Which is just as illogical as WB.

I don't pretend to know such an unsolved question. You could say that I'm agnostic on that question.

You dodge better than WB when confronted with your incongruence.

I'm good. I've proven my point. Thanks.

What was your point?

 

[ding]

That's the spiritual column, Taz. Two substances that exist; matter and mind.

I never mentioned the mind, it's out of place in this argument. So neither.

Mind represents the spirit. The only question would be whether mind proceeded from the material world or not. Atheists believe the mind proceeds from the material world. Spiritualists believe the material world proceeded from mind/spirit.

You have selected neither. Which is just as illogical as WB.

I don't pretend to know such an unsolved question. You could say that I'm agnostic on that question.

You dodge better than WB when confronted with your incongruence.

I'm good. I've proven my point. Thanks.

What was your point?

That when confronted with an incongruity of belief you will rationalize you don't have one.

 

[Taz]

I never mentioned the mind, it's out of place in this argument. So neither.

Mind represents the spirit. The only question would be whether mind proceeded from the material world or not. Atheists believe the mind proceeds from the material world. Spiritualists believe the material world proceeded from mind/spirit.

You have selected neither. Which is just as illogical as WB.

I don't pretend to know such an unsolved question. You could say that I'm agnostic on that question.

You dodge better than WB when confronted with your incongruence.

I'm good. I've proven my point. Thanks.

What was your point?

That when confronted with an incongruity of belief you will rationalize you don't have one.

I just told you what I believe.

 

[ding]

Mind represents the spirit. The only question would be whether mind proceeded from the material world or not. Atheists believe the mind proceeds from the material world. Spiritualists believe the material world proceeded from mind/spirit.

You have selected neither. Which is just as illogical as WB.

I don't pretend to know such an unsolved question. You could say that I'm agnostic on that question.

You dodge better than WB when confronted with your incongruence.

I'm good. I've proven my point. Thanks.

What was your point?

That when confronted with an incongruity of belief you will rationalize you don't have one.

I just told you what I believe.

I know and I really appreciate it too. Thanks again.

 

[ding]

The human mind can't exist in conflict. There are only three options.

 

[WinterBorn]

LMAO!! Trap? No junior. No trap has been sprung.

I am more than happy for you to deny your own life experiences in believing that this life force you believe in isn't sentient. So, yeah... it kind of has.

Not at all. It still boils down to the fact that I do not believe in god, and that I believe in the incorporeal that did not originate in the corporeal. The first means I am an atheist. The second part means I am not a materialist.

I hope you won't mind it if I believe your beliefs are illogical because they are mutually exclusive

You are welcome to your beliefs, accuracy is not required.

The truth usually hurts before it helps.

Truth? That is not what you have been spouting?

And nothing in this thread has hurt. Help is not needed.