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No, life began 4 billion years ago and is an ongoing process.
An individual doesn't exist until he or she is born.
This is the fact you religious nutters can't get your heads around, I know. And the Plutocrats have robbed you fucking blind distracting you with this bullshit.
that so..? well i'd like to see how a human begins life through your "ongoing process" instead of through conception....i.e. egg + sperm.....
Thousands of women will go to abortion clinics next week, and not a one of them will think of it as a "baby".
Deal with it.
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you were once a fetus yourself.....with a beating heart and brain waves and tiny little fingers and toes....all the apparatus and chromosomes to become a fully developed human being.....guess you got lucky and were allowed to live....
So why is that relevent to anything.
I was once spooge, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to give civil rights to spooge.
no you weren't......life begins with conception....a scientific fact....
The reason I vote Republican is because my views closely reflect the views of the Republican party. I am aware that abortion and gay marriage are legal, and that the GOP may not be able to outlaw these practices. However the reason why these practices may not be outlawed has nothing to do with the Republican party, they are not to blame. The Democrats are the ones who are fighting to keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Why would I vote for a party that supports policies that I disagree with?Think about it.
Assume for a moment that you are red state Christian who isn't rich or a CEO or has a stock portfolio.
You just vote for the Republicans because they are right with Jesus.
So what do you have to show for your efforts?
Abortion - Still legal after 41 years.
Creationism - Still not being taught in the Schools.
Gay Marriage- 16 states and counting
Prayer In Schools - Still ain't gonna happen.
What you did get were free trade treaties that sent your job to China and a Bank Deregulation taht left you with an underwater mortgage, but you didn't get any of those things that make Baby Jesus Cry repealled.
So why is that relevent to anything.
I was once spooge, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to give civil rights to spooge.
no you weren't......life begins with conception....a scientific fact....
And Constitutional protections are afforded only to those who are born, not an embryo/fetus thats a fact of law.
This also goes to the OPs point, that in a free society, a freedom most social conservatives and Christian fundamentalists fear and oppose, were at liberty to debate when life begins, and make a determination for ourselves, predicated on our own beliefs and good conscience, free from interference by the state.
Just as the Framers intended.
I think too many have been chumps voting blindly on either side.
You know it took a long hard deal to become the Conservative Party of Canada and become the majority. But when I vote, I know that my representative will represent me in Ottawa as compared to voting R or D and as soon as your poor rep makes it to Washington and inside the beltway, well you are a distant memory.
And what do you do? You vote them in again. Unfreaking real.
ONLY in your MIND are they doing it. YOU just hate the fact the First Amendment exists for them too. Right Fakey?Are Christians Political Chumps for voting Republican?
Of course not.
Simply don't try to push the religious culture on the rest of America.
Indeed. Sometimes God has to say no...for HIS purposes.[
Says it all, doesn't it folks? Ignore the "magic skyman" - Joseph here is his own little God and he's got it all figured out. He's just as omnipotent (in his mind)
The Magic Skyman stopped existing for me when my Mom got cancer and everyone in the Parish prayed for her to get better.
And she didn't.
No Magic Skyman.
Sadly, you deluded fools keep voting against your own economic interests hoping you can still impose him on the rest of us.
Ah Joe B so that's where it begins. I am so sorry for the loss of your mother. Prayer isn't always answered the way we want it to.
Swell. We all have a right to our civil liberties, I fully agree. This includes the Polygamous community in Utah. They should be allowed to obtain multiple wedding licenses without fear of prosecution. Why should one group be allowed civil liberties, but not another?The reason I vote Republican is because my views closely reflect the views of the Republican party. I am aware that abortion and gay marriage are legal, and that the GOP may not be able to outlaw these practices. However the reason why these practices may not be outlawed has nothing to do with the Republican party, they are not to blame. The Democrats are the ones who are fighting to keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Why would I vote for a party that supports policies that I disagree with?Think about it.
Assume for a moment that you are red state Christian who isn't rich or a CEO or has a stock portfolio.
You just vote for the Republicans because they are right with Jesus.
So what do you have to show for your efforts?
Abortion - Still legal after 41 years.
Creationism - Still not being taught in the Schools.
Gay Marriage- 16 states and counting
Prayer In Schools - Still ain't gonna happen.
What you did get were free trade treaties that sent your job to China and a Bank Deregulation taht left you with an underwater mortgage, but you didn't get any of those things that make Baby Jesus Cry repealled.
Because you believe every American has the right to his civil liberties, even if you disagree with how your fellow Americans exercise their civil rights?
First of all - it was Bill Clinton who forced "free trade" (NAFTA) down the throats of the American people. So Dumbocrats sent the jobs to China.
Clinton and his House allies came from behind to wipe out a substantial lead that NAFTA opponents held as the week began. A bipartisan coalition of 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats prevailed over the opposition of 156 Democrats, 43 Republicans and one independent.
The Senate on Saturday approved the North American Free Trade Agreement, ending with little flourish a national debate that a week ago had threatened to throw out the pact entirely and complicate Clinton Administration plans for expanded trade agreements with other parts of the world.
The vote was 61 to 38. As was the case earlier in the House, Republicans supplied the most support, accounting for 34 of the favorable votes to 27 from the Democrats.
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you're missing the point that our Founders were most Christians who actively pursued their religions within the States they lived in....no 'separation of religion and state' except in the national sense.....they even prayed in the early schools....
No, the Revolution happened during a period known as the "Enlightenment".
Also known as "Smart people were figuring out the religious were full of shit and told them to shut the fuck up."
Sadly, it didn't last long enough to cure us of religious stupidity, because too many stupids want to be reunited with their childhood puppies in heaven.
No, life began 4 billion years ago and is an ongoing process.
An individual doesn't exist until he or she is born.
This is the fact you religious nutters can't get your heads around, I know. And the Plutocrats have robbed you fucking blind distracting you with this bullshit.
that so..? well i'd like to see how a human begins life through your "ongoing process" instead of through conception....i.e. egg + sperm.....
Thousands of women will go to abortion clinics next week, and not a one of them will think of it as a "baby".
Deal with it.
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you're missing the point that our Founders were most Christians who actively pursued their religions within the States they lived in....no 'separation of religion and state' except in the national sense.....they even prayed in the early schools....
No, the Revolution happened during a period known as the "Enlightenment".
Also known as "Smart people were figuring out the religious were full of shit and told them to shut the fuck up."
Sadly, it didn't last long enough to cure us of religious stupidity, because too many stupids want to be reunited with their childhood puppies in heaven.
did you not know that 99% of those 'Enlightened Ones' were religious.....?
So why is that relevent to anything.
I was once spooge, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to give civil rights to spooge.
no you weren't......life begins with conception....a scientific fact....
And Constitutional protections are afforded only to those who are born, not an embryo/fetus thats a fact of law.
This also goes to the OPs point, that in a free society, a freedom most social conservatives and Christian fundamentalists fear and oppose, were at liberty to debate when life begins, and make a determination for ourselves, predicated on our own beliefs and good conscience, free from interference by the state.
Just as the Framers intended.
Let me get this straight - you voted for McCain but against Romney?
Oh man - even I didn't vote for McCain. This guy has to be lying. I can't imagine anyone who is so radical that they cast a vote for an idiot like McCain but then went with Obama over Romney.
Well, of course you didn't. McCain wasn't your kind of complete whackjob.
What McCain was is a war hero, a man of sterling integrity, a guy who has served his country for over 50 years in the miltiary and Congress.
As Opposed to Romney, who was a Mormon, a greedy asshole and a panderer.
They had me off the wagon at "Mormon".
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you're missing the point that our Founders were most Christians who actively pursued their religions within the States they lived in....no 'separation of religion and state' except in the national sense.....they even prayed in the early schools....
No, the Revolution happened during a period known as the "Enlightenment".
Also known as "Smart people were figuring out the religious were full of shit and told them to shut the fuck up."
Sadly, it didn't last long enough to cure us of religious stupidity, because too many stupids want to be reunited with their childhood puppies in heaven.
did you not know that 99% of those 'Enlightened Ones' were religious.....?
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so your "ongoing process" was just another progressive falsehood....?
the young women are the ones who really have to 'deal with it'.....of course they know they are getting rid of a baby...what do you think being 'pregnant' is all about....?
but they've been told by godless progressive seculars that killing the 'fetus' is OK....that it isn't a 'real' baby......all lies....
[quoYou really are ignorant. Christianity - even evangelical Christianity - was spreading during the Enlightenment. It's not difficult to find sermons by preachers of the era who sensed a sort of revival with the looming revolution.
Of course, not all the founders really appreciated it. Jefferson, for one, was somewhat perturbed at the spread not only of evangelical Christianity but also of capitalism (yes, Americans were becoming prosperous even in the 18th century).
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Really? McCain was a "war hero" for allowing himself to get captured and then being tortured? That's your idea of a "hero"?
Furthermore, you said that Bush infuriated you. Well everyone knew that John McCain was George Bush with less brains and less charisma. So you voted to double-down on the policies which infuriated you? You're really that stupid?
And the only thing McCain "served" was his own interests for 50 years. If his character was so "sterling" why did he support a fence along the border, then oppose a fence along the border?
You continue to humiliate yourself every time you open your mouth...
Why, exactly, are are you bringing up the Second Great Awakening now? Off-topic much?[quoYou really are ignorant. Christianity - even evangelical Christianity - was spreading during the Enlightenment. It's not difficult to find sermons by preachers of the era who sensed a sort of revival with the looming revolution.
Of course, not all the founders really appreciated it. Jefferson, for one, was somewhat perturbed at the spread not only of evangelical Christianity but also of capitalism (yes, Americans were becoming prosperous even in the 18th century).
Actually, the Second Great Awakening didn't happen until 1820 or so, when the Revolution and Enlightenment were well over and some considered it a terrible idea.
In addition to an increase of religious stupidity, progress on other things were also rolled back. For instance, slavery was going out of fashion in most of the world during the Enlightenment, but the Religious stupids doubled down in this country.
It was also this period that gave us such stupidity like the Millerite Movement and Mormonism.
