Are gag orders constitutional?

[WEATHER53]

A threat to someone’s life or well being is a criminal threat you jackass

Nope
Stop hitting my dog or I will hurt you bad is absolutely permissible. I will break your neck if you don’t is absolutely permissible

 

[Lesh]

You’re wrong. “Threat” has an actual meaning.

You tend to ignore actual definitions.

A robber makes the threat in order to illegally coerce you to relinquish a right you have (like the right to keep your own cash or possessions). A responding cop uses the same phrase without any illegality involved.

So the post I linked is wrong? According to who?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Lets ignore the peaches-and-chief for a minute. Lets forget him and his gag orders. This is a general question.
Are gag orders constitutional? How can ones speech be silenced with threat of hefty fines, jail, imprisoned to their home etc for talking about the government?
I know there is a Supreme court case about it, but that doesnt really mean anything in this thread. They also said it was constitutional for the tyrant FDR to imprison citizens simply for their heritage, forcing people to salute the flag was constitutional, and a state saying a black and white person couldnt get married was legal

When Silence Isn’t Golden: How Gag Orders Can Evade First Amendment Protections

Trials must be conducted at law, rather than in the press, and courts sometimes feel the need to assert control of the outflow of information around judicial matters to preserve the fair trial rights of litigants.

law.yale.edu

Again, please leave trump out of this. I know TDS is a serious mental condition, but damn..

Yes, of course they are. Criminal defendants lose some of their rights.

 

[WEATHER53]

You didn’t define criminal! One doesn’t get to say any threat is criminal without a law. Still waiting

Yes the “criminal threat “ game using the self fulfilling prophecy ruse.
Lib loons-are threatening thoughts also illegal?

 

[surada]

Lets ignore the peaches-and-chief for a minute. Lets forget him and his gag orders. This is a general question.
Are gag orders constitutional? How can ones speech be silenced with threat of hefty fines, jail, imprisoned to their home etc for talking about the government?
I know there is a Supreme court case about it, but that doesnt really mean anything in this thread. They also said it was constitutional for the tyrant FDR to imprison citizens simply for their heritage, forcing people to salute the flag was constitutional, and a state saying a black and white person couldnt get married was legal

When Silence Isn’t Golden: How Gag Orders Can Evade First Amendment Protections

Trials must be conducted at law, rather than in the press, and courts sometimes feel the need to assert control of the outflow of information around judicial matters to preserve the fair trial rights of litigants.

law.yale.edu

Again, please leave trump out of this. I know TDS is a serious mental condition, but damn..

Trump made most of his employees sign nondisclosure agreements... that didn't hold up. Must be different when it's court ordered.

 

[Lesh]

from: Criminal Threats: Laws and Penalties

"Criminal Threats: Laws and Penalties​

Making criminal threats comes with serious consequences, even if you didn't plan to carry out the threat.​

By Rebecca Pirius, Attorney
Updated May 26, 2022
A criminal threat occurs when someone threatens to kill or physically harm someone else. In some states, this crime might be referred to as terroristic threats, threats of violence, malicious harassment, menacing, or another term.

Criminal Threats vs. Free Speech
Even though the Constitution guarantees the right of free speech, that right is not an absolute one. The law has long recognized specific limitations when it comes to speech, such as prohibitions against slander and libel. In some situations, speech can even constitute a crime, such as in the case of criminal threats."

I also posted the relevant link

The tards just ignore it and pretend to be law scholars

 

[TNHarley]

Yes, of course they are. Criminal defendants lose some of their rights.

Where does the Constitution say you can lose rights like that?

 

[TNHarley]

I also posted the relevant link

The tards just ignore it and pretend to be law scholars

Where does the constitution mention the government having this power? Or was it just made up by the SC?

 

[TNHarley]

Trump made most of his employees sign nondisclosure agreements... that didn't hold up. Must be different when it's court ordered.

NDAs are civil issues. You break those, you can get sued. Breaking gag orders are criminal.

 

[WinterBorn]

Weak minded pearl clutching couch fainting Karens have found a way to beat their puny fists on thinkers chests via the internet .
The outcome of a threat is likely illegal. The issuance of one absolutely is not.

Criminal Threats: Laws and Penalties

Threatening someone with harm or death can result in serious penalties. It's a crime even if you don't intend to carry out the threat.

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com

from: The 5 Elements Of A Criminal Threat | Quinnan Law

"Elements Of A Criminal Threat​

Five elements need to be present in any threat of violence you make against another person to be charged with a crime:

1. You willfully threatened another person with the intent of seriously injuring or killing that person
2. The threat was made verbally, in writing or through electronic communication
3. You meant for your statement to be understood as a threat, regardless of if you were able to or intended to carry the threat out
4. You had the present ability to carry out the threat
5. A reasonable person would have feared for his or her own safety or the safety of his or her immediate family if you made the threat to him or her"

Is Threatening Someone Illegal?: What You Should Know

Making threats is a serious crime in Texas. In this blog post, we'll discuss what is considered a threat, the penalties, and how to get help if you're in a threatening situation.

www.cantulawrgv.com

Making a threat is illegal. I am sure there are variances, but it still holds true.

Even if you just look at threats towards a gov't official, it still constitutes an example that the 1st amendment is not inviolate.

 

[WEATHER53]

In Trumps case there was no threat but rather an insult or making fun of . Lib loons feel those are crimes also
Let’s do a test. If Winter won’t stop making false claims Im gonna slap him upside the head.
Now Winter-report me for my illegal thread comment and call law enforcement also. Case closed

 

[WinterBorn]

In Trumps case there was no threat but rather an insult or making fun of . Lib loons feel those are crimes also
Let’s do a test. If Winter won’t stop making false claims Im gonna slap him upside the head.
Now Winter-report me for my illegal thread comment and call law enforcement also. Case closed

First I would address the claim I made false claims.

Next I would invite you to try.

 

[WEATHER53]

Criminal Threats: Laws and Penalties

Threatening someone with harm or death can result in serious penalties. It's a crime even if you don't intend to carry out the threat.

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com

from: The 5 Elements Of A Criminal Threat | Quinnan Law

"Elements Of A Criminal Threat​

Five elements need to be present in any threat of violence you make against another person to be charged with a crime:

1. You willfully threatened another person with the intent of seriously injuring or killing that person
2. The threat was made verbally, in writing or through electronic communication
3. You meant for your statement to be understood as a threat, regardless of if you were able to or intended to carry the threat out
4. You had the present ability to carry out the threat
5. A reasonable person would have feared for his or her own safety or the safety of his or her immediate family if you made the threat to him or her"

Is Threatening Someone Illegal?: What You Should Know

Making threats is a serious crime in Texas. In this blog post, we'll discuss what is considered a threat, the penalties, and how to get help if you're in a threatening situation.

www.cantulawrgv.com

Making a threat is illegal. I am sure there are variances, but it still holds true.

Even if you just look at threats towards a gov't official, it still constitutes an example that the 1st amendment is not inviolate.

More projective bullshit . Your 1. States make a threat “with full intent to carry it out”. That’s cart before the house. Who judges what the intent will turn out to be or if there even is Any outcome behind the words???
You all simply want to criminalize the vocalizations that bring you discomfort

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Gag orders are an unconstitutional prior restraint.

prior restraint

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[WinterBorn]

Is it gag orders in general, or just the ones effecting Trump?

 

[WEATHER53]

Gag orders are an unconstitutional prior restraint.

prior restraint

www.law.cornell.edu

Absolutely. The illicit assumption is that Trump “must be stopped beforehand” because he chided Schumers girlfriend

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Absolutely. The illicit assumption is that Trump “must be stopped beforehand” because he chided Schumers girlfriend

He must be stopped from campaigning. His campaign is too effective.

 

[BackAgain]

So the post I linked is wrong? According to who?

Yep. According to anyone who understands that there is a difference in the meaning of the word which turns upon the question of intent etc.

 

[jc456]

A threat to someone’s life or well being is a criminal threat you jackass

Naw, prove it

 

[jc456]

Criminal Threats: Laws and Penalties

Threatening someone with harm or death can result in serious penalties. It's a crime even if you don't intend to carry out the threat.

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com

That doesn’t prove your point. Pull out the language that shows the law!