Article V Convention is Coming

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[MENTION=20297]Wry Catcher[/MENTION]

They should allow him to pardon more turkeys at Thanksgiving.. Force him to eat ham to make sure he is not a Muslim,,or Jew.

My, my . . . look at all the desperate attempts to divert attention from this thread. It will happen. People are fed up with Washington, and they know it can't be reformed internally.

Some people are fed up with Washington, others are fed up with anti government clowns like you. If you don't like what's going on in Washington, be specific and put our country first not some lame ideology.

What you seem unable to comprehend is most Americans abhor extremists, most support change when it is well thought out and pragmatic - and that is not the lame and extreme ideology of people like you. We, those of us in the middle, see no difference between you and the Symbionese Liberation Army - though as fucked up as they were they at least put their life on the line and didn't spend their time hiding behind a keyboard.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's coming folks: The article V convention to propose new amendments to the Constitution. Lbiturds, your reign of terror is over:

Whether in early 2017 it’s President Hillary Clinton, President Jeb Bush, President Chris Christie, President Joe Biden or someone else, the individual occupying the Oval Office would face new limits on executive orders, Commerce Clause actions, a balanced federal budget and a ban on using international treaties to govern inside the U.S. if a state-based movement is successful.

There could even be term limits for Supreme Court justices and Congress, and a mandatory sunset of all existing federal taxes.

The ideas are being discussed in legislatures where a Convention of the States has been proposed, according to an organization known by that very name.

The Convention of States Project, launched by Citizens for Self Governance, is working to have state lawmakers call such a convention through the Constitution’s Article V.

Thousands of Americans already have signed on in support of the idea that Americans, themselves, need to address Washington’s massive spending, over-regulation and takeover of authority from states.

State lawmakers in Alaska, Georgia, Alabama, Florida and elsewhere are now looking at plans that if approved would be submitted to Congress in support of a convention.

Michael Farris, who has been know for years as the face of the Home School Legal Defense Association and Patrick Henry College, now is on the front line of seeking a convention in which state delegates would meet, agree on a path for the country and then tell Congress what will happen.

Tell Congress?

Exactly that, if the amendments are proposed at the convention and ratified by the states.

The organization proposes a convention for “the purpose of limiting the power and jurisdiction of the federal government.”

“We believe the grassroots is the key to calling a successful convention,” the promoters say. “The goal is to build a political operation in a minimum of 40 states, getting 100 people to volunteer in at least 75 percent of the state’s legislative districts. We believe this is very doable. Only through the support of the American people will this project have a chance to succeed.”

Among the issues that could fall under the single subject would be a balanced budget amendment, a new definition of the General Welfare Clause, a redefinition of the Commerce Clause, a ban on the use of treaty provisions inside the U.S., limits on executive orders, term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court, federal tax limits and a sunset of all existing federal taxes.

“Of course, these are merely examples of what would be up for discussion,” the promoters say. “The convention of states itself would determine which ideas deserve serious consideration, and it will take a majority of votes from the states to formally propose any amendments.”

Read more at New push for limits on Washington power​

Looks like another thread by another anti government, anti American recreant has failed.

It seems posters of threads such as this would be better served by the Putin Regime; authoritarian, anti democratic and ethnocentric to the extreme.

 

[thanatos144]

It's coming folks: The article V convention to propose new amendments to the Constitution. Lbiturds, your reign of terror is over:

Whether in early 2017 it’s President Hillary Clinton, President Jeb Bush, President Chris Christie, President Joe Biden or someone else, the individual occupying the Oval Office would face new limits on executive orders, Commerce Clause actions, a balanced federal budget and a ban on using international treaties to govern inside the U.S. if a state-based movement is successful.

There could even be term limits for Supreme Court justices and Congress, and a mandatory sunset of all existing federal taxes.

The ideas are being discussed in legislatures where a Convention of the States has been proposed, according to an organization known by that very name.

The Convention of States Project, launched by Citizens for Self Governance, is working to have state lawmakers call such a convention through the Constitution’s Article V.

Thousands of Americans already have signed on in support of the idea that Americans, themselves, need to address Washington’s massive spending, over-regulation and takeover of authority from states.

State lawmakers in Alaska, Georgia, Alabama, Florida and elsewhere are now looking at plans that if approved would be submitted to Congress in support of a convention.

Michael Farris, who has been know for years as the face of the Home School Legal Defense Association and Patrick Henry College, now is on the front line of seeking a convention in which state delegates would meet, agree on a path for the country and then tell Congress what will happen.

Tell Congress?

Exactly that, if the amendments are proposed at the convention and ratified by the states.

The organization proposes a convention for “the purpose of limiting the power and jurisdiction of the federal government.”

“We believe the grassroots is the key to calling a successful convention,” the promoters say. “The goal is to build a political operation in a minimum of 40 states, getting 100 people to volunteer in at least 75 percent of the state’s legislative districts. We believe this is very doable. Only through the support of the American people will this project have a chance to succeed.”

Among the issues that could fall under the single subject would be a balanced budget amendment, a new definition of the General Welfare Clause, a redefinition of the Commerce Clause, a ban on the use of treaty provisions inside the U.S., limits on executive orders, term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court, federal tax limits and a sunset of all existing federal taxes.

“Of course, these are merely examples of what would be up for discussion,” the promoters say. “The convention of states itself would determine which ideas deserve serious consideration, and it will take a majority of votes from the states to formally propose any amendments.”

Read more at New push for limits on Washington power​

Looks like another thread by another anti government, anti American recreant has failed.

It seems posters of threads such as this would be better served by the Putin Regime; authoritarian, anti democratic and ethnocentric to the extreme.

America isnt its government you fascist .

 

[johnwk]

During Mark Levin’s show last night he embraced a caller who attacked Eagle Forum as engaging in fear tactics in expressing their opposition to the calling a convention. Keep in mind this kind of attack ___ when the party being attacked is not present to defend their position___ is one of the Washington Establishment’s oldest weapons used to smear their opponents rather than confront them in a productive discussion regarding the issues at hand.


I never thought Mark Levin would allow his show to be used in this manner, especially to attack Eagle Forum and Phyllis Schlafly who have been respected among almost every conservative group I know of since the 1970s, and have been at the forefront in defending against progressive attacks upon our Constitution including the deceptive equal rights amendment!


Mark Levin would do well to have Phyllis Schlafly on his show for a one hour discussion concerning the calling of a convention to weed out fact from fiction and truth from opinion. To not do so would suggest Mark Levin has gone to the dark side!

JWK

If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?

 

[johnwk]

It's coming folks: The article V convention to propose new amendments to the Constitution. Lbiturds, your reign of terror is over:

bripat,

With all due respect, you seem to forget that the states and federal government are acting in concert to confiscate the wealth created by America’s productive citizens. An Article V convention would be totally controlled by the very state and federal actors who are now causing the people’s sufferings, and give them the opportunity to make constitutional that which is now unconstitutional!

It defies human logic to believe delegates chosen to attend a convention who are appointed by State Legislatures and Governors who engage in the same types of tyranny our federal government engages in would act in the Taxpayer’s best interests if a convention were called to amend our federal Constitution. And judging from the overwhelming financial dependency upon the federal government that every Governor and State Legislature has submitted themselves to, not to mention how almost every State has an enormous deficit and an underfunded state pension fund which is a ticking time bomb, that they would not be motivated to select delegates to a convention who would act in concert with the federal government to further tighten the iron fist of government around the necks of America’s hard working citizens and business owners, and find new ways to legally confiscate the wealth they create in order to “redistribute” it in a manner which keeps these federal and State tyrants in power. See Article V Group Ignores States' Complicity in Federal Power Grab

" Of all the misrepresentations often repeated by the pro-Article V constitutional convention proponents, one of the most important is the “states as victims” mantra … the claim that the federal government is “seizing power from the states” cannot be stipulated to without falsely portraying states as victims rather than as accomplices to these crimes against the Constitution."

If a solution to the tyranny which is carried out at both the federal and state level is to be found, it certainly will not come from those who carry out the tyranny. I know of not one tyrannical government which has willingly released its iron fist from the necks of its citizens.


Regards,

JWK




If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear Johnwk and Bripat:
Yes and no, of course it can go both ways.

Even when our Constitution was written, there was a split between
federalists and anti-federalists.

The difference was back then, the founders did join in prayer and agreement for the sake of the nation before convening and writing the laws.

You are right, if we do not join in unity first, then this could spell disaster.

What we can do as individuals is to ask all church/religious and state/political leaders
to join in unity, in prayer and agreement in Christ Jesus -- the spirit of Restorative Justice which fulfills both the sacred laws of the church and natural laws of the state.

All people will be called to focus and join in the spirit of the laws, of truth and justice,
for all people inclusively.

In this spirit, two things will continue to happen which are already happening in preparation:

1. the universal inclusive leadership will come forth to serve all people.
the people who are not divisive by fear and not defensive by putting their biases or conflicts of interest above others, EVEN OPPONENTS, but are unifying by commitment to universal truth and equal justice.
You can tell who these leaders/servants are because they do not discriminate against anyone, not even the people or parties they disagree with, but welcome and work with all people of all views.
The truly neutral and objective facilitators will need to remain detached from the process in order to include everyone else and manage it without putting any one group of people or interest above others.

2. the fears and conflicts people have preventing us from being united "more perfectly"
will also come forward to be redressed and resolved.

The key is not to let the fears and conflicts divide us, but to work with those
as a natural and necessary part of the process itself.

So it will take special leadership to mediate these issues, organize people by party belief and interest, and manage to include all such interests equally without threat of bullying by exclusion or dominance.

Anyone who rules by objection and overriding others will need to be represented by group and cannot be in charge of the decision making process or it will fall apart.
And let the decisions be facilitated by consensus, making sure all groups are represented, all objections/input included, and conflicts corrected so there is no political gameplaying.

By working INCLUSIVELY we can make sure we are not excluded.
Only if we seek to exclude or override others, do we risk having this done to us.

That is how we can tell if we are setting up the process correctly and enforcing the right spirit -- when this is done properly, there is no threat to override or exclude anyone else.
If we don't arrive at a consensus by free choice, but there is coercion and unresolved conflict to force or divide people, then that isn't the spirit of "consent of the governed."

If people or parties have differences, there should be a free choice to separate and not be forced under each other's beliefs or interpretation/mandates.
Where decisions are made civilly, by agreement, there should be no need for any of the political co-opting that otherwise destroys the democratic process.

It's coming folks: The article V convention to propose new amendments to the Constitution. Lbiturds, your reign of terror is over:

bripat,

With all due respect, you seem to forget that the states and federal government are acting in concert to confiscate the wealth created by America’s productive citizens. An Article V convention would be totally controlled by the very state and federal actors who are now causing the people’s sufferings, and give them the opportunity to make constitutional that which is now unconstitutional!

It defies human logic to believe delegates chosen to attend a convention who are appointed by State Legislatures and Governors who engage in the same types of tyranny our federal government engages in would act in the Taxpayer’s best interests if a convention were called to amend our federal Constitution. And judging from the overwhelming financial dependency upon the federal government that every Governor and State Legislature has submitted themselves to, not to mention how almost every State has an enormous deficit and an underfunded state pension fund which is a ticking time bomb, that they would not be motivated to select delegates to a convention who would act in concert with the federal government to further tighten the iron fist of government around the necks of America’s hard working citizens and business owners, and find new ways to legally confiscate the wealth they create in order to “redistribute” it in a manner which keeps these federal and State tyrants in power. See Article V Group Ignores States' Complicity in Federal Power Grab

" Of all the misrepresentations often repeated by the pro-Article V constitutional convention proponents, one of the most important is the “states as victims” mantra … the claim that the federal government is “seizing power from the states” cannot be stipulated to without falsely portraying states as victims rather than as accomplices to these crimes against the Constitution."

If a solution to the tyranny which is carried out at both the federal and state level is to be found, it certainly will not come from those who carry out the tyranny. I know of not one tyrannical government which has willingly released its iron fist from the necks of its citizens.


Regards,

JWK




If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?

 

[emilynghiem]

34 States Call for Constitutional Convention ? and Possible Rewrite

If Congress doesn't act on this, maybe it's a good thing.

Maybe all other citizens concerned about Constitutional equality and inclusion
should act first -- to organize by parties and representation online,
and set up networks to facilitate an open convention where people and parties
control their own representation.

Maybe the people need to set this up outside the political system already bogged down
and backlogged by political party and class hierarchy.

 

[bonehead]

34 States Call for Constitutional Convention ? and Possible Rewrite

If Congress doesn't act on this, maybe it's a good thing.

Maybe all other citizens concerned about Constitutional equality and inclusion
should act first -- to organize by parties and representation online,
and set up networks to facilitate an open convention where people and parties
control their own representation.

Maybe the people need to set this up outside the political system already bogged down
and backlogged by political party and class hierarchy.

interesting thought. yes, the required number of states have, indeed, petitioned for an Article V convention. I have contacted by congressmen to ask why the convention has not been called - HAVE ALL OF YOU. congress has no choice as long as the required petitions have been submitted. congress also has no choice as to acceptance of the proposal which may come out of the convention. choose wisely - the new direction of this country will depend on it. as for me, I would suggest evolving our government into a direct democracy as opposed to a democratic republic. at least then, we will all know our votes will count exactly as cast.

 

[g5000]

A Constitutional Convention sounds great, until you get down to brass tacks. Everyone has their own reasons for wanting one, and they don't all match up. I doubt there is the necessary super-majority for a single proposed change.

And that is why there has not been one. You might have a lot of states that have called for one, but not for the same reasons.

 

[bonehead]

A Constitutional Convention sounds great, until you get down to brass tacks. Everyone has their own reasons for wanting one, and they don't all match up. I doubt there is the necessary super-majority for a single proposed change.

And that is why there has not been one. You might have a lot of states that have called for one, but not for the same reasons.

quite correct. the states must decide to take the power back from the feds if they ever have a chance to end the stranglehold that now exists. if they cannot agree and have 3/4 of the states ratify, there will be no change. somewhat sad, when you think about it.

 

[bonehead]

It's coming folks: The article V convention to propose new amendments to the Constitution. Lbiturds, your reign of terror is over:

Whether in early 2017 it’s President Hillary Clinton, President Jeb Bush, President Chris Christie, President Joe Biden or someone else, the individual occupying the Oval Office would face new limits on executive orders, Commerce Clause actions, a balanced federal budget and a ban on using international treaties to govern inside the U.S. if a state-based movement is successful.

There could even be term limits for Supreme Court justices and Congress, and a mandatory sunset of all existing federal taxes.

The ideas are being discussed in legislatures where a Convention of the States has been proposed, according to an organization known by that very name.

The Convention of States Project, launched by Citizens for Self Governance, is working to have state lawmakers call such a convention through the Constitution’s Article V.

Thousands of Americans already have signed on in support of the idea that Americans, themselves, need to address Washington’s massive spending, over-regulation and takeover of authority from states.

State lawmakers in Alaska, Georgia, Alabama, Florida and elsewhere are now looking at plans that if approved would be submitted to Congress in support of a convention.

Michael Farris, who has been know for years as the face of the Home School Legal Defense Association and Patrick Henry College, now is on the front line of seeking a convention in which state delegates would meet, agree on a path for the country and then tell Congress what will happen.

Tell Congress?

Exactly that, if the amendments are proposed at the convention and ratified by the states.

The organization proposes a convention for “the purpose of limiting the power and jurisdiction of the federal government.”

“We believe the grassroots is the key to calling a successful convention,” the promoters say. “The goal is to build a political operation in a minimum of 40 states, getting 100 people to volunteer in at least 75 percent of the state’s legislative districts. We believe this is very doable. Only through the support of the American people will this project have a chance to succeed.”

Among the issues that could fall under the single subject would be a balanced budget amendment, a new definition of the General Welfare Clause, a redefinition of the Commerce Clause, a ban on the use of treaty provisions inside the U.S., limits on executive orders, term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court, federal tax limits and a sunset of all existing federal taxes.

“Of course, these are merely examples of what would be up for discussion,” the promoters say. “The convention of states itself would determine which ideas deserve serious consideration, and it will take a majority of votes from the states to formally propose any amendments.”

Read more at New push for limits on Washington power​

Looks like another thread by another anti government, anti American recreant has failed.

It seems posters of threads such as this would be better served by the Putin Regime; authoritarian, anti democratic and ethnocentric to the extreme.

and, of course, you must have the perfect answer to the dilemma our country is in. if you don't mind, would you please share that solution with the rest of us?