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Correct, but they are now front and center. The Right is jumping on them because they sense opportunity, and I suspect they're right.Social issues have no place in politics. We are electing stewards of the government not church leaders.
Hispanics aren't even in the center....they are and always have been largely conservative.Funny, our mixed-race family was just talking about this last night.
The Democratic Party has long been depending on demographics to lead the way to a more progressive American future. My impression has always been that the party thought the elections of Obama in 2008 and 2012 were a sign that such a process had taken over. That was a major part of the shock of Trump's win.
This is why it's not a good idea to make long term assumptions. One large group has been virtually ignored by the Democratic Party for a long time (as it continues to push its PC/Identity Politics-soaked strategies), and it may not be a good idea for the party to keep making assumptions about the future:
As Democrats go hard left, Hispanics head to the center - Roll Call
OPINION — Hispanics, by and large, are not conservatives — at least not yet — but they are centrists behaving more like independents.www.rollcall.com
In a recent New York Magazine interview, Democratic pollster David Shor weighed in on his party’s performance in the 2020 election. Based on the interview, it appears that Democrats continue to interpret 2022 in the context of demographics, race and class and less about voters’ belief systems and positions on issues.
Give him credit: Shor does recognize that white liberal elites are pushing the party to the left and alienating certain voter groups, including Hispanics.
“We’ve ended up in a situation where white liberals are more left wing than Black and Hispanic Democrats on pretty much every issue: taxes, health care, policing, and even on racial issues or various measures of ‘racial resentment,’” he told the magazine. “So as white liberals increasingly define the party’s image and messaging, that’s going to turn off nonwhite conservative Democrats and push them against us.”
Hmmmm.....I'm not used to agreeing with you....but on this....yep.Social issues have no place in politics. We are electing stewards of the government not church leaders.
I can only speak anecdotally, but I can say it's my experience that it has quite a bit to do with the social issues.The headline of the article doesn’t reflect the story behind it. There is no evidence that the Democratic Party is going “hard left” and none was presented.
48% of Hispanics are Dems vs 20% for pubs with 32% being independent. Trump won 12 of the 32% in the election which is 37% of the independents. A slight pickup of independents since last election who went from 75% dem to 63% dem. It was almost exclusively a male Hispanic problem.
My bet is it has nothing to do with democratic governing ideas and entirely to do with male Hispanic attitudes on liberal social issues. I do think too much liberal social agenda is off putting to groups but the republicans are no better there.
And I certainly don't expect the Democrats to heed any warnings, but with the insanity currently coming from the Right, it sure as hell concerns me.
I don't care if it "concerns" you. Sorry.I can only speak anecdotally, but I can say it's my experience that it has quite a bit to do with the social issues.The headline of the article doesn’t reflect the story behind it. There is no evidence that the Democratic Party is going “hard left” and none was presented.
48% of Hispanics are Dems vs 20% for pubs with 32% being independent. Trump won 12 of the 32% in the election which is 37% of the independents. A slight pickup of independents since last election who went from 75% dem to 63% dem. It was almost exclusively a male Hispanic problem.
My bet is it has nothing to do with democratic governing ideas and entirely to do with male Hispanic attitudes on liberal social issues. I do think too much liberal social agenda is off putting to groups but the republicans are no better there.
And I certainly don't expect the Democrats to heed any warnings, but with the insanity currently coming from the Right, it sure as hell concerns me.
It concerns me that you have to tag name a legitmate concern as insanity.....that is Alinskyism and leftward leaning to the Max...that's what lefties do. Keep up the good work....it's working. ( not in you favor btw )
JO
Catholicism still holds a huge place in Hispanic culture and identity. Even the non church going spanish Catholics pretty much live their lives by it. The fact that Biden was just made uncomfortable by a recent church edict on abortion is a much larger blow to the democrats than they are smart enough to realize.Funny, our mixed-race family was just talking about this last night.
The Democratic Party has long been depending on demographics to lead the way to a more progressive American future. My impression has always been that the party thought the elections of Obama in 2008 and 2012 were a sign that such a process had taken over. That was a major part of the shock of Trump's win.
This is why it's not a good idea to make long term assumptions. One large group has been virtually ignored by the Democratic Party for a long time (as it continues to push its PC/Identity Politics-soaked strategies), and it may not be a good idea for the party to keep making assumptions about the future:
As Democrats go hard left, Hispanics head to the center - Roll Call
OPINION — Hispanics, by and large, are not conservatives — at least not yet — but they are centrists behaving more like independents.www.rollcall.com
In a recent New York Magazine interview, Democratic pollster David Shor weighed in on his party’s performance in the 2020 election. Based on the interview, it appears that Democrats continue to interpret 2022 in the context of demographics, race and class and less about voters’ belief systems and positions on issues.
Give him credit: Shor does recognize that white liberal elites are pushing the party to the left and alienating certain voter groups, including Hispanics.
“We’ve ended up in a situation where white liberals are more left wing than Black and Hispanic Democrats on pretty much every issue: taxes, health care, policing, and even on racial issues or various measures of ‘racial resentment,’” he told the magazine. “So as white liberals increasingly define the party’s image and messaging, that’s going to turn off nonwhite conservative Democrats and push them against us.”
More on how the Left may be going too far:
Progressives’ Urgent Question: How to Win Over Voters of Color (Published 2021)
A yearslong challenge for the left was starkly illustrated this week as its hopes faded in the New York mayor’s race.www.nytimes.com
The subtitle is absolutely the key here.
Trump’s gains with Hispanic voters should prompt some progressive rethinking
Racial politics doesn’t always work how white liberals think it should.www.vox.com
Catholicism still holds a huge place in Hispanic culture and identity. Even the non church going spanish Catholics pretty much live their lives by it. The fact that Biden was just made uncomfortable by a recent church edict on abortion is a much larger blow to the democrats than they are smart enough to realize.
Correct, but they are now front and center. The Right is jumping on them because they sense opportunity, and I suspect they're right.
The social issues get and hold people's attentions far more effectively than the more wonky issues. So it therefore may be perceived that the Left is moving further left overall than it actually is.
But in politics, perceptions are reality.
She was a terrible candidate, and I've been called far worse.Hillary lost because so many self-righteous assholes voted for third parties.
She was a terrible candidate, and I've been called far worse.
so if you think both candidates would be a disaster and you vote for someone running in a third party who you think would be 10x better .....you are still wasting your vote?.....She was a terrible candidate, and I've been called far worse.
She was a terrible candidate.
But the election should be about who can best run the country, not who was the 'best candidate" - i.e., who was more personable and ran the better campaign.
so if you think both candidates would be a disaster and you vote for someone running in a third party who you think would be 10x better .....you are still wasting your vote?.....
so your idea is to vote for that stupid lessor of 2 evils bullshit?......you know what joe?.....if you vote for Dracula over Satan he is still going to suck the life out of you....knowing that....why the hell would one vote for him?....so if you think both candidates would be a disaster and you vote for someone running in a third party who you think would be 10x better .....you are still wasting your vote?.....
Yes. Absolutely. Because that person will never be president.
Like it or not, we have two political parties that are centuries old. They spent that time building up loyal bases over generations. The constituent groups have changed over the years, which is why the "Party of Lincoln" now flies Confederate Flags.
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The point is, they did the hard work.
Do I think that Hillary was an awful candidate? Yup. I fully expected if she was elected, she and her husband would pull the same kind of shit they pulled last time they were in.
But compared to Trump, there was no real choice. Trump pretty much screamed "I AM UNFIT FOR OFFICE", but too many mitlaufers in the GOP establishment thought they could control him.
(For those who miss the reference, a "mitlaufer" was the post WWII designation given to people who weren't Nazis in Germany, but went along wit them.)
The problem with third parties is that they are generally a bunch of loons. If they were serious about building a national political movement, start out small, build your base and then become a national force. Not, "Let's find some dope-smoking former governor and put him up while he looks for his Bong."
so your idea is to vote for that stupid lessor of 2 evils bullshit?......you know what joe?.....if you vote for Dracula over Satan he is still going to suck the life out of you....knowing that....why the hell would one vote for him?....