dilloduck
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dilloduck said:Keep meditating on it---it'll come to ya if you try hard enough. :funnyface
Sorry Joz---that was rude and sarcastic. I'll try to ask my question in a manner the is easy to understand.
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dilloduck said:Keep meditating on it---it'll come to ya if you try hard enough. :funnyface
mom4 said:Many have initailly rejected the message. If they are truly seeking God, they will fing Him. It's a promise! :
'dilloduck said:So when is one to abandon his God given conscience to play hide and seek ?
scroll up--I rephrased itmom4 said:'
Huh?
dilloduck said:I think there are many who find it difficult to abandon what their God given conscience tells them to follow just anyone who claims to have "the" answer. When people are urged to repent and follow "the way" you are essentially telling them that their God given conscience is flawed and they must not trust it. It is quite an assumption that these people haven't already been shown the way. Why were we even given a conscience if we weren't expected to use it. The people who had NO WAY of hearing Jesus' message were expected to follow what they "knew" to be right.
mom4 said:I'm still not getting the question. "The Way" is perfectly in line with the God-given conscience. If they followed their God-given conscience, they would be following "The Way," even if they didn't know the name for it.
And the main thing that God wants from us is a person-to-person relationship. It's not just a formula of prescribed actions, and you aren't supposed to follow "anyone who claims to have 'the answer.'" You are supposed to get to know HIM, and obey HIM. (It's such a beautiful thing!)
If they followed their God-given conscience, they would be following "The Way," even if they didn't know the name for it.
dilloduck said:Agreed---and each indivuals' relationship would be "the way" for that person--hence many ways, no?
mom4 said:Not many ways... many relationships. Each person will have a special, unique relationship with God. But He made it clear that a part of every relationship is obedience to Him.
dilloduck said:Agreed---and each indivuals' relationship would be "the way" for that person--hence many ways, no?
maybe individuals who call it something different are still following the way God intended them to.
dilloduck said:Semantics----a special, unique, conscience driven realtionship is the way. We really have no idea what God says to other people and therefore no way to judge the level of his obedience.
mom4 said:You're right! It's not our job to judge the hearts of others, only to obey. But through our own relationship with God, we can recognize the type of actions which are in accordance with His will. We can identify what is "right" and what is "wrong" by what he reveals to us. I think you and I have very different ideas about what exactly a God-given conscience is.
mom4 said:Please don't feel this way, Manu. Asking questions is great!
Jesus=God. This is possibly the hardest thing about the faith to understand. We, as humans are bound by the laws of physics and our bodies (at least for now! ). God/Jesus/Holy Spirit, three in one, is not bound by these things; He created them!
dilloduck said:You bet--I'm glad he didn't tell us to go stomp on people who think are wrong tho. At least he didn't tell ME that one. I sure would hope we have different ideas on a god-given conscience--it would mess up our uniqueness!!
manu1959 said:no worries .... men tend to be that way when someone questions them ... women tend to help ..... but the crux of the argument is .... exactly what you said ..... that jesus equals god .... and the discusion was .... unless you belive that you are going to hell .... you see i do belive that god created everything and that you could get to heaven before christ existed ... and that adhearance to a dogmatic set of belifs is not a requirement .... living a moral and ethical life is .... and it about 40 years give or take i will find out
that said....thanks for answering my question
mom4 said:No stomping, only loving. The conscience is God's voice within us, so it should be the same in everyone, since it is the same God. While our personalities and jobs are different, our sense of morality should be the same.
dilloduck said:We should all have the exact same sense of morality at exactly the same time? I don't even know 2 people on this board that agree on everything.
mom4 said:That's because we don't all look to the One who defines morality; we try to rely on our own perceptions of right and wrong. There will only be peace when all accept and submit to the authority of the One who created them.
dilloduck said:Even Christians on this board who are all looking to the same God have disagreements. Who's right?
mom4 said:God is right. Because of our damaged relationships with Him, we have different perceptions of His will. In order to figure out what is right in a particular situation, we have to utilize the tools He gave us. 1)Our consciences, 2)The Bible, and 3)Prayer and Fasting.
I believe this to be true. And the Bible says that God has written His words on our hearts so we don't sin. So, what about the people that don't have a conscience? Are they beyond help or repair? Why do some murderers become imprisioned and die as evil as they went in, and other's find Christ?mom4 said:No stomping, only loving. The conscience is God's voice within us, so it should be the same in everyone, since it is the same God. While our personalities and jobs are different, our sense of morality should be the same.