Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[Camp]

Other people who are propagating my facebook friends list....multiple Harney County ranchers and locals, including the ones who organized and hosted the groups that met (and weren't covered by the press) prior to Grasty's pretend community meeting.

As much as you disagree with the concept of elected officials speaking for citizens, it still works that way in America. Facebook comments, random opinions, Russian editorials or news stories, and agenda driven bloggers, are not viewed as official voices and spokespersons for the citizens. What they say has no legal standing or authority. It is just nonsense, opinions, misinformation, etc. with no special or privileged value.

 

[koshergrl]

Free the Hammonds

Listen to Erin Maupin, and the reaction of the people in the Burns audience. This is what the Oregonian doesn't show. They show grasty up there posturing and his friends and family, but they don't show the rest.

 

[koshergrl]

Kosher, the thread is not about sage grouse or wild horses. It is about armed lunatics occupying public land, and the people of Harney County. Now, where are the videos of that prior meeting. Or did you just pull that whole claim out of your ass?

Actually, it's about the federal mismanagement of public lands allegedly for the sake of protecting native, endangered bird species and protecting others. Every time you run up against an incontrovertible truth, you pretend that the subject is "something else" lol.

Meanwhile, the protesters have put out multiple requests to the tribe to come in and check out their stuff (since lunatics like you keep whining that they're being "vandalized" or "not protected" by the protesters).

The folks insisting that the militia is 'desecrating' the site....is the very tribes in question. Are you going to add them to the 'corrupt maggot' list like you did the town of Burns, its people, mayor and sheriff?

Like any good batshit conspiracy, anyone who doesn't ape the conspiracy....becomes part of it.

In the course of fixing buildings and cleaning up the property, which belongs not to the feds, but to the people of Harney county, they found that buildings were left open to the elements, were in varying degrees of dilapidation and disuse and rodent infestation.

So you say. But when we ask you to show us evidence......the 'videos' you told us about, you've got nothing. You're literally making this shit up as you go along.

Ah, wait. When I asked you to back your claim, you quoted Russian Government propaganda. 'Sputnik News' claiming to speak for the chairman of the Republican party in Oregon.

The tribes refuse to actually go out to the site to protect/identify/or even verify that the artificats are indeed being *desecrated*, lol.

Yeah, they care a lot.

The tribes have demanded that the militia leave and insisted that the militia is desecrating their lands.

So the militia does to the tribes what it did to the Mayor of Burns, the majority of the folks in Burns, the Sheriff, and the Govenor of Oregon:

And told them to go fuck themselves.

So much for the militia lie of 'local' and 'state' control. The only authority that the militia recognizes is their own.

"The tribes" however refuse to actually go to the site and observe their relics, lol.

Obviously, they care a lot.

 

[Skylar]

Kosher, the thread is not about sage grouse or wild horses. It is about armed lunatics occupying public land, and the people of Harney County. Now, where are the videos of that prior meeting. Or did you just pull that whole claim out of your ass?

Actually, it's about the federal mismanagement of public lands allegedly for the sake of protecting native, endangered bird species and protecting others. Every time you run up against an incontrovertible truth, you pretend that the subject is "something else" lol.

Meanwhile, the protesters have put out multiple requests to the tribe to come in and check out their stuff (since lunatics like you keep whining that they're being "vandalized" or "not protected" by the protesters).

The folks insisting that the militia is 'desecrating' the site....is the very tribes in question. Are you going to add them to the 'corrupt maggot' list like you did the town of Burns, its people, mayor and sheriff?

Like any good batshit conspiracy, anyone who doesn't ape the conspiracy....becomes part of it.

In the course of fixing buildings and cleaning up the property, which belongs not to the feds, but to the people of Harney county, they found that buildings were left open to the elements, were in varying degrees of dilapidation and disuse and rodent infestation.

So you say. But when we ask you to show us evidence......the 'videos' you told us about, you've got nothing. You're literally making this shit up as you go along.

Ah, wait. When I asked you to back your claim, you quoted Russian Government propaganda. 'Sputnik News' claiming to speak for the chairman of the Republican party in Oregon.

The tribes refuse to actually go out to the site to protect/identify/or even verify that the artificats are indeed being *desecrated*, lol.

Yeah, they care a lot.

The tribes have demanded that the militia leave and insisted that the militia is desecrating their lands.

So the militia does to the tribes what it did to the Mayor of Burns, the majority of the folks in Burns, the Sheriff, and the Govenor of Oregon:

And told them to go fuck themselves.

So much for the militia lie of 'local' and 'state' control. The only authority that the militia recognizes is their own.

"The tribes" however refuse to actually go to the site and observe their relics, lol.

Obviously, they care a lot.

They care enough to ask the Ammon Militia to leave and quit desecreating their land. And the Ammon Militia clearly doesn't give a shit what the tribes have to say.

Or the local sherriff.

Or the local mayor.

Or the governor of Oregon.

So much about their horseshit lip service to 'local' and 'state' control. Even Ammon's church has told him he needs to go home. They only authority Ammon recognizes....is Ammon.

 

[bodecea]

Notice that old fag doesn't actually identify the lies I have allegedly shared. Because he doesn't want me to continue to provide the (for him) painful evidence, yet again, that the narrative being pushed by the idiots clamoring to imprison brob and kill rural landowners is the same systematic persecution that they waged against Indians. Old fag and those like him are th modern day equivalents of Americans who supported campaigns against Indians on the name of progress. He's the same as ignorant progressives who supported the transfer of property from Jews and their imprisonment if they refused to obey the state and turn over their holdings. Bigoted fascists don't change from century to century...they just target mew victims.

We're all laughing at your pretend in-the-know comments, Allie.

 

[bodecea]

Poor old fag, spinning and hysterically shrieking nonsense.

^I expect you would know yourself better than anyone else, Allie.

 

[Arianrhod]

Free the Hammonds

Listen to Erin Maupin, and the reaction of the people in the Burns audience. This is what the Oregonian doesn't show. They show grasty up there posturing and his friends and family, but they don't show the rest.

Why aren't you onsite lending "assistance"? If you're so passionate about these poor martyred souls, maybe you could go for snacks.

 

[bodecea]

What?! The Public is on public land? Oh, the horror!

That's not the problem...its when they are not allowing the rest of the public to use that public land.

 

[Camp]

Kosher, the thread is not about sage grouse or wild horses. It is about armed lunatics occupying public land, and the people of Harney County. Now, where are the videos of that prior meeting. Or did you just pull that whole claim out of your ass?

Actually, it's about the federal mismanagement of public lands allegedly for the sake of protecting native, endangered bird species and protecting others. Every time you run up against an incontrovertible truth, you pretend that the subject is "something else" lol.

Meanwhile, the protesters have put out multiple requests to the tribe to come in and check out their stuff (since lunatics like you keep whining that they're being "vandalized" or "not protected" by the protesters).

The folks insisting that the militia is 'desecrating' the site....is the very tribes in question. Are you going to add them to the 'corrupt maggot' list like you did the town of Burns, its people, mayor and sheriff?

Like any good batshit conspiracy, anyone who doesn't ape the conspiracy....becomes part of it.

In the course of fixing buildings and cleaning up the property, which belongs not to the feds, but to the people of Harney county, they found that buildings were left open to the elements, were in varying degrees of dilapidation and disuse and rodent infestation.

So you say. But when we ask you to show us evidence......the 'videos' you told us about, you've got nothing. You're literally making this shit up as you go along.

Ah, wait. When I asked you to back your claim, you quoted Russian Government propaganda. 'Sputnik News' claiming to speak for the chairman of the Republican party in Oregon.

The tribes refuse to actually go out to the site to protect/identify/or even verify that the artificats are indeed being *desecrated*, lol.

Yeah, they care a lot.

The tribes have demanded that the militia leave and insisted that the militia is desecrating their lands.

So the militia does to the tribes what it did to the Mayor of Burns, the majority of the folks in Burns, the Sheriff, and the Govenor of Oregon:

And told them to go fuck themselves.

So much for the militia lie of 'local' and 'state' control. The only authority that the militia recognizes is their own.

"The tribes" however refuse to actually go to the site and observe their relics, lol.

Obviously, they care a lot.

Those native American Paiutes know that the criminals at the refuge have absolutely no authority or recognition that allows them to discuss or have anything to do with the relics or the refuge. If they have anything to discuss they know it is not with out of state unelected criminals who have no professional knowledge or training about relics and how they need to be stored or handled.

 

[Skylar]

Free the Hammonds

Listen to Erin Maupin, and the reaction of the people in the Burns audience. This is what the Oregonian doesn't show. They show grasty up there posturing and his friends and family, but they don't show the rest.

Why aren't you onsite lending "assistance"? If you're so passionate about these poor martyred souls, maybe you could go for snacks.

I suspect she's too busy searching for the youtube videos of 'rat infested and abandoned buildings' she made up.

 

[Dot Com]

Self sufficiency? Lavon whining because the removed the four foster children from his home that were his only source of income? That is your definition of self sufficiency? Ammon has a half million dollar loan from the SBA that he will never pay back. And on and on. These are nothing but a bunch of hare brained stupes, waving guns, and mouthing utter drivel. Time to end it and cart every adult there off for a long stay in the iron bar hotel.

^ that

 

[Dot Com]

Kosher, you are an asshole liar. And you blanket set of lies about the people in Burns and Harney County proves just what a liar you are. Now they are going through the Paiute artifacts, and will probably be trying to sell them, or use the destruction of those artifacts as a bargaining chip to try to avoid many years in a federal pen.

No, I'm not a liar. You're the liar, as is patently obvious.

The protesters have invited tribal members and leaders to come out to the refuge and voice their concerns and access their artifacts. They've refused because they don't give a shit. And going through the tribal stuff isn't illegal what a load of horseshit lolol.what hell find is mismanagement and relocation I artifacts by the feds. That's what they do. Of course you object to any activity that reveals the truth of the situation. You're a lying government shill, commie. Crawl back under your rock, puke.

Maybe not illegal, just "ham-handed" like your broad-brush posts Sacrilegious as well.

 

[koshergrl]

The protesters have continually asserted that they want to meet with the fbi, that they will come to any meeting. But the fbi, via grasty and the corrupt officials, has made it almost impossible for this to happen. Finally Bundy received a telephone call from an fbi negotiator yesterday, I think. Until then, nobody from the blm, fish and game, the fbi..NONE of them have met with him. The Sheriff met with him, but had no interest in talking about anything except telling him to leave.

The negotiator said they would continue to speak at a personal meeting today, so Bundy agreed..provided the meeting took place in front of the media. The FBI declined.

Imgine that.

The refusal to meet in front of medial is two fold..#1....they don't want the media to record them behaving the way they behave. And #2, the feds don't want to answer the questions that are being asked, by the people and by Bundy...WHO GAVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO TELL US WHAT TO DO WITH OUR LAND? WHO GAVE GAVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE POLICIES THAT RESULT IN VIOLATIONS THAT YOU USE TO JUSTIFY DECADES OF PERSECUTION, CITATIONS, FINES, AND IMPRISONMENT OF LANDOWNERS? And why are our elected officials not protecting the people who they are SWORN to defend, acting against their interest with people who are persecuting them?

The feds have NO AUTHORITY in Harney County. THAT is why they aren't sending in swat teams and bombs and whatever else they do. That is why they don't arrest Bundy when he's moving around. Because they don't have the authority or the right to do so. It is solely the right and authority of the local Sheriff, and HE hasn't done it because he CAN'T, unless they commit a crime. And so far, they haven't.

The only person who committed a crime was the guy from out of the state, who was driving a vehicle with switched plates, and his has been the only arrest.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

CREDIT: AP Images/Manuel Valdes
FILE - In this Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2016, file photo, members of the Burns Paiute tribe watch a news conference held by their leaders in response to the armed occupation of the nearby Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Ore. A leader of the Oregon Indian tribe whose ancestral property is being occupied by an armed group opposed to federal land policy said Wednesday that the group is not welcome and needs to leave. (AP Photo/Manuel Valdes, File)

Bundy Militia Post Video Of Themselves Messing With Native American Artifacts

 

[teddyearp]

OK, I presented videos from the Grasty meeting, why don't you present videos from that meeting.

Try this one, the whole meeting, instead of the MSM's sound bites:



Sure there are lot's of folks cheering to see Bundy leave, but there are also lots of folks mad as heck at the Judge. And when "throngs" of people chanted "go, go, go" (you'll see/hear that around 40 min or so), you'll hear that it was maybe 20 or so and at the same time there was folks chanted "stay, stay, stay". And why are they mad at the Judge and the county officials? Here is the counties 'out reach' to solve the problem:

Tony Svejcar, a research leader and rangeland scientist, attended to provide an update on Eastern Oregon Agricultural Research Center programs and scientific research projects.
Svejcar said he’s retired from the USDA Agricultural Research Service, but he still has an appointment with Oregon State University.
Svejcar said the center aims to “get the science into the hands of the people who can use it.” For example, researchers provide information to agencies, such as the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS), and the National Park Service, to inform their long-term planning efforts. Svejcar added that researchers have devoted a lot of time to formulating a sage grouse plan that is workable for people on the land. He said researchers are also currently working to provide large-scale data on the progress of sage grouse habitat.

He is mainly wanting to work with the environmentalists and not the ranchers as far as I can tell.

Link: Harney County Court discusses refuge occupation – Burns Times-Herald

And that is the underlying cause of this. Whether or not it is constitutional for the Fed to own this much property, any one who has lived in rural areas know how aggressive the Feds have been in either acquiring MORE property and/or closing more and more of it off to the public in favor of the huge and well funded environmentalist lobby. I don't really think the land should be turned over to the states or counties, but we need to do something to REALLY keep the land open to all. When I see the pics of the environazis with signs saying, "Keep the land for all of us" I know for a fact that it is a lie! Maybe all of us if all you want to do is walk in there just about barefoot!

 

[Carla_Danger]

OK, I presented videos from the Grasty meeting, why don't you present videos from that meeting.

Try this one, the whole meeting, instead of the MSM's sound bites:



Sure there are lot's of folks cheering to see Bundy leave, but there are also lots of folks mad as heck at the Judge. And when "throngs" of people chanted "go, go, go" (you'll see/hear that around 40 min or so), you'll hear that it was maybe 20 or so and at the same time there was folks chanted "stay, stay, stay". And why are they mad at the Judge and the county officials? Here is the counties 'out reach' to solve the problem:

Tony Svejcar, a research leader and rangeland scientist, attended to provide an update on Eastern Oregon Agricultural Research Center programs and scientific research projects.
Svejcar said he’s retired from the USDA Agricultural Research Service, but he still has an appointment with Oregon State University.
Svejcar said the center aims to “get the science into the hands of the people who can use it.” For example, researchers provide information to agencies, such as the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS), and the National Park Service, to inform their long-term planning efforts. Svejcar added that researchers have devoted a lot of time to formulating a sage grouse plan that is workable for people on the land. He said researchers are also currently working to provide large-scale data on the progress of sage grouse habitat.

He is mainly wanting to work with the environmentalists and not the ranchers as far as I can tell.

Link: Harney County Court discusses refuge occupation – Burns Times-Herald

And that is the underlying cause of this. Whether or not it is constitutional for the Fed to own this much property, any one who has lived in rural areas know how aggressive the Feds have been in either acquiring MORE property and/or closing more and more of it off to the public in favor of the huge and well funded environmentalist lobby. I don't really think the land should be turned over to the states or counties, but we need to do something to REALLY keep the land open to all. When I see the pics of the environazis with signs saying, "Keep the land for all of us" I know for a fact that it is a lie! Maybe all of us if all you want to do is walk in there just about barefoot!

Bullshit, the majority of people are clapping and yelling for them to go home. I heard one irritating woman yelling "stay" and that was prolly Koshergirl.

 

[teddyearp]

Bullshit, the majority of people are clapping and yelling for them to go home.

Yes, I agree, there were a majority of attendees clapping when a speaker asked them to leave, re-read my post. I was just debunking some of the stories that made it sound like when the chanting of "go, go, go" was going on, that it was a majority of the people, and to also point out that during said chanting, there was also chants of "stay, stay, stay" which was not reported Splitting hairs, but still . . . .

 

[Skylar]

The protesters have continually asserted that they want to meet with the fbi, that they will come to any meeting. But the fbi, via grasty and the corrupt officials, has made it almost impossible for this to happen. Finally Bundy received a telephone call from an fbi negotiator yesterday, I think. Until then, nobody from the blm, fish and game, the fbi..NONE of them have met with him. The Sheriff met with him, but had no interest in talking about anything except telling him to leave.

What would the Sheriff want to talk to them about, baseball? Ammon and his ilk are violating the law. The Sheriff ordered them to cease and desist, to go home. That's his job.

The Hammonds didn't want anything to do with the Militia and didn't ask them to come. The park service certainly didn't. The governor didn't. The people of Burns didn't. The Mayor didn't. The Sheriff didn't. Even the local Native American tribes didn't.

If the Bundy thugs *really* believed their own rhetoric about local control, they'd listen to the locals. Instead, they only law they recognize...are themselves. The only authority they'll listen to.......are themselves. No one elected them. No one voted on the laws they are imposing.

The Bundy Thugs are little dictators, insisting that THEY make the law. And the local people, local authorities, even the State government can go fuck themselves.

 

[Skylar]

The feds have NO AUTHORITY in Harney County.

Bullshit. The Feds have authority throughout the United States. Of which Harney County is part. And of course the Wildlife Reserve is federal property. Which gives them jurisdiction yet again.

Remember, you randomly making up pseudo-legal gibberish and right wing fantasies doesn't actually change the law or the constitution. The constitution *explicitly* grants Congress the authority to set the rules for federal property. US law and the courts recognize this. The State of Oregon recognizes this. Its laws and its courts do as well.

THAT is why they aren't sending in swat teams and bombs and whatever else they do. That is why they don't arrest Bundy when he's moving around. Because they don't have the authority or the right to do so. It is solely the right and authority of the local Sheriff, and HE hasn't done it because he CAN'T, unless they commit a crime. And so far, they haven't.

Nonsense. That's just your fantasy, Kosh. You're literally making up a nonsense delusion based on nothing, pretending that you are the law, the feds, the sheriff. And you're nobody. That you imagine otherwise doesn't change the facts.

The only person who committed a crime was the guy from out of the state, who was driving a vehicle with switched plates, and his has been the only arrest.

[/quote]

Says you, citing yourself as the law. And you're nobody.

Back in reality, they've violated seditious conspiracy laws, theft laws, trespassing laws, vandalism laws, burglary laws, etc. And will most likely do some serious time. And should.

 

[koshergrl]

OK, I presented videos from the Grasty meeting, why don't you present videos from that meeting.

Try this one, the whole meeting, instead of the MSM's sound bites:



Sure there are lot's of folks cheering to see Bundy leave, but there are also lots of folks mad as heck at the Judge. And when "throngs" of people chanted "go, go, go" (you'll see/hear that around 40 min or so), you'll hear that it was maybe 20 or so and at the same time there was folks chanted "stay, stay, stay". And why are they mad at the Judge and the county officials? Here is the counties 'out reach' to solve the problem:

Tony Svejcar, a research leader and rangeland scientist, attended to provide an update on Eastern Oregon Agricultural Research Center programs and scientific research projects.
Svejcar said he’s retired from the USDA Agricultural Research Service, but he still has an appointment with Oregon State University.
Svejcar said the center aims to “get the science into the hands of the people who can use it.” For example, researchers provide information to agencies, such as the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS), and the National Park Service, to inform their long-term planning efforts. Svejcar added that researchers have devoted a lot of time to formulating a sage grouse plan that is workable for people on the land. He said researchers are also currently working to provide large-scale data on the progress of sage grouse habitat.

He is mainly wanting to work with the environmentalists and not the ranchers as far as I can tell.

Link: Harney County Court discusses refuge occupation – Burns Times-Herald

And that is the underlying cause of this. Whether or not it is constitutional for the Fed to own this much property, any one who has lived in rural areas know how aggressive the Feds have been in either acquiring MORE property and/or closing more and more of it off to the public in favor of the huge and well funded environmentalist lobby. I don't really think the land should be turned over to the states or counties, but we need to do something to REALLY keep the land open to all. When I see the pics of the environazis with signs saying, "Keep the land for all of us" I know for a fact that it is a lie! Maybe all of us if all you want to do is walk in there just about barefoot!

Bullshit, the majority of people are clapping and yelling for them to go home. I heard one irritating woman yelling "stay" and that was prolly Koshergirl.

There were around 100 people at Grasty's meeting, though some accounts put it as closer to 200. And of the people there about 100 of them were holdovers from the meeting before, which had about 400 people by the latest accounts, who are definitely supporting the cause that Bundy support...i.e., the eviction of corrupt officials, the termination of illegal federal oversight and persecution, and the releast of the Hammonds.

Grasty, who told the community that they could NOT use the fairgrounds for their community meeting, then called a meeting of his own, scheduled to run at the same time as the community meeting that was scheduled to take place regardless of Grasty's denial of the public meeting places....He rounded up about a hundred of his friends and relatives...families of the law enforcement and forest service communities, primarily transplants who came for jobs with the government, or who came to hang out with their family members who work for the government, or actual family of Grasty's (like his hysterical granddaughter who got so much press when she started bawling in one of the public meetings), or people from Eugene and Portland there to support other corrupt officials (like the two kids who are the sons of another corrupt judge involved in railroading the Hammonds).

His purpose was to make it difficult or impossible for any of the community members who planned to criticize or demand answers to show up, and to create an audience (from Burns and elsewhere) to make a showing of support for the corrupt lunatics who are the problem. And I still hear people yelling "the feds need to GO!!".

Despite this ploy, the meeting was full of pertinent questions, ignored by the media, in which the assholes then maintained were a disturbance of the meeting. They tried to force people to sit where they told them. They removed two people from the crowd who asked pertinent questions...and still, they answered none of the questions, which included direct demands that Ward explain why he isn't protecting the interests of the people who live there.

I love it when some woman from Douglas county demands to know why people from outside the area are there, hahahaha.

I also notice the really lame applause when the mayor speaks lol.