At this moment, this Presidency is not going well

[Dana7360]

Also, I had read in the general sense....higher taxes make businesses smarter.... I know that seems dumb, but .... when they owe higher taxes, they find ways to spend their money, that is tax deductible, like paying their employees more or hiring or finding ways on expanding their businesses.... they'd rather do that, then just hand their money from profit, over to the govt when taxes are high.... is what some think....

I've been talking about the benefits of higher taxes for decades.

I've put it on this board and it's mostly ignored.

That was one of the tools we used to use to keep jobs in America, kept inflation in check, helped to keep wages at a living wage level, helped R&D and expansion, helped prevent unemployment and kept greed in check.

When greedy people know that most of what they take from a company beyond say 3 million in a year goes to the government. Those greedy people don't take more than 3 million from a company in a year. When greedy people know that their unearned income will go to the government they don't demand companies generate high profits to pay high dividends.

That tax policy worked for nearly 80 years in the US. Until Reagan. When he lowered the tax rates our jobs started leaving the nation. Business decreased their employees by a third to a half.
Employees started losing benefits. Inflation on just about everything set in, wages for everyone but the ceos, executives and stockholders stagnated and still stagnate.

Ambition and hard work are very different from greed. Ambition and hard work benefits everyone. Greed harms almost everyone.

 

[Obejoekenobe]

China has been using questionable trade tactics for years, hijacking American business.

And Trump is the bully? Do these leftist morons always root with any other possible nation than America, regardless of their activities?

Who’s going to blink first in this Trade war.

Trump or Xi.

 

[jc456]

What destruction did President Obama perpetrate? What is it you think Clinton would have done? Can you point to specifics or are you just spouting crap you've been told to repeat?

Don't know about him, but Obama went from Yes we can to no you can't. Clinton would have allowed open borders-when she said that I changed my vote from her to Trump.

Except that she never said that. That was some of that fake news that the Russians didn't make and you didn't believe.

Sorry, I SAW and HEARD her-that's when I changed my vote!

Please post up video or at least direct quotes of this.

I'll wait.

Clinton admitted she's for 'open borders' in paid, private speech: WikiLeaks I can't do links so I copy and paste.

for some additional info on this..

Will Hillary explain her dream of 'open borders'?
Even Bernie asked her for the video.

 

[RealDave]

China has been using questionable trade tactics for years, hijacking American business.

And Trump is the bully? Do these leftist morons always root with any other possible nation than America, regardless of their activities?

Trump thinks he can keep upping tariffs & force China to yield.

He could give a rat's ass as to the damage to American Farmers, American manufacturing or the American people.

How fucking stupid are you if your success would mean the destruction of your customer's economy?

so why isn't China coming to the table if that is all true? why aren't you asking that question, you anti american hack.

Why should China bend to stupid ass bullying.

Trump is sofa king stupid he thinks trade deficits are losses.

for the good of America is why the bullying. you rooting for china?

Trump is putting a gun to the heads of Americans & threatening to shoot if China does not bend to his will.

 

[RealDave]

And the GOP Congress refused to cooperate with Obama.

My examples are all Trump-specific, all of them. We can pretend they are not, we can try to change the subject, but that would be lying.
.

totally wrong, obama shut them out, refused to talk with them, remember "we won" and "republicans need to go to the back of the bus" ?

the refusal to negotiate and compromise was coming from the dictator wannabe obozo the great.

your grasp of recent history is amazingly lacking.

You've kinda got that backwards. I mean yes, something similar to that was said, but you got the order backwards. That sentiment was expressed after years of republican obstructionism and leaks about how they determined to block every single Obama initiative even if they thought it was a good idea and secret back room meetings on inauguration night.

bullshit, Newt and the GOP worked with clinton and got things done, the dems refused to work with Bush and are refusing to work with Trump.

the only obama ideas that were blocked were his stupid socialist attempts to destroy this country.

THE Dems worked with Bush the last 2 years of his 8 years, when they got control back of both houses in Congress.... why are you saying they didn't?

Dems alone passed Bill Clinton's financial plan to get the USA back on track, including the tax hike on the top level.
2 years later when Gingrich became speaker and repubs won the house, Clinton had the line item veto, so Gingrich worked with Clinton on cutting the spending legislation.

The Dems worked behind the scenes with Bush at the same time they trashed him in public.

Problem is Bush's father was a Globalist....so GWB never tried to fight the Democrats in Congress. They were working towards the same goal.

GW had basically both houses for 6 years.

 

[Third Party]

China has been using questionable trade tactics for years, hijacking American business.

And Trump is the bully? Do these leftist morons always root with any other possible nation than America, regardless of their activities?

Trump thinks he can keep upping tariffs & force China to yield.

He could give a rat's ass as to the damage to American Farmers, American manufacturing or the American people.

How fucking stupid are you if your success would mean the destruction of your customer's economy?

so why isn't China coming to the table if that is all true? why aren't you asking that question, you anti american hack.

Why should China bend to stupid ass bullying.

Trump is sofa king stupid he thinks trade deficits are losses.

for the good of America is why the bullying. you rooting for china?

Trump is putting a gun to the heads of Americans & threatening to shoot if China does not bend to his will.

Don't worry-they did.

 

[RealDave]

Yes. And I provided specific examples.

"But Obama" would be a weak retort.
.

Actually it's a strong retort. Comparing the two administrations tends to cancel out alot of complaints being made against the current one. Especially when you take into consideration that Congress refuses to cooperate in any shape or form with Trump. Most of the problems begin with this refusal to do what is best for the people of THIS country in favor of generating a new constituency thru human - trafficking.

And the GOP Congress refused to cooperate with Obama.

My examples are all Trump-specific, all of them. We can pretend they are not, we can try to change the subject, but that would be lying.
.

totally wrong, obama shut them out, refused to talk with them, remember "we won" and "republicans need to go to the back of the bus" ?

the refusal to negotiate and compromise was coming from the dictator wannabe obozo the great.

your grasp of recent history is amazingly lacking.

You've kinda got that backwards. I mean yes, something similar to that was said, but you got the order backwards. That sentiment was expressed after years of republican obstructionism and leaks about how they determined to block every single Obama initiative even if they thought it was a good idea and secret back room meetings on inauguration night.

bullshit, Newt and the GOP worked with clinton and got things done, the dems refused to work with Bush and are refusing to work with Trump.

the only obama ideas that were blocked were his stupid socialist attempts to destroy this country.

Clinton & The Republicans worked several compromise Bills.

Funny how you blame Democrats instead of Bush for not having compromise bills.

 

[Third Party]

Actually it's a strong retort. Comparing the two administrations tends to cancel out alot of complaints being made against the current one. Especially when you take into consideration that Congress refuses to cooperate in any shape or form with Trump. Most of the problems begin with this refusal to do what is best for the people of THIS country in favor of generating a new constituency thru human - trafficking.

And the GOP Congress refused to cooperate with Obama.

My examples are all Trump-specific, all of them. We can pretend they are not, we can try to change the subject, but that would be lying.
.

totally wrong, obama shut them out, refused to talk with them, remember "we won" and "republicans need to go to the back of the bus" ?

the refusal to negotiate and compromise was coming from the dictator wannabe obozo the great.

your grasp of recent history is amazingly lacking.

You've kinda got that backwards. I mean yes, something similar to that was said, but you got the order backwards. That sentiment was expressed after years of republican obstructionism and leaks about how they determined to block every single Obama initiative even if they thought it was a good idea and secret back room meetings on inauguration night.

bullshit, Newt and the GOP worked with clinton and got things done, the dems refused to work with Bush and are refusing to work with Trump.

the only obama ideas that were blocked were his stupid socialist attempts to destroy this country.

Clinton & The Republicans worked several compromise Bills.

Funny how you blame Democrats instead of Bush for not having compromise bills.

I'm not sure what Bush was.

 

[RealDave]

Trump thinks he can keep upping tariffs & force China to yield.

He could give a rat's ass as to the damage to American Farmers, American manufacturing or the American people.

How fucking stupid are you if your success would mean the destruction of your customer's economy?

so why isn't China coming to the table if that is all true? why aren't you asking that question, you anti american hack.

Why should China bend to stupid ass bullying.

Trump is sofa king stupid he thinks trade deficits are losses.

for the good of America is why the bullying. you rooting for china?

Trump is putting a gun to the heads of Americans & threatening to shoot if China does not bend to his will.

Don't worry-they did.

when?

 

[Olde Europe]

so why isn't China coming to the table if that is all true? why aren't you asking that question, you anti american hack.

Why should China bend to stupid ass bullying.

Trump is sofa king stupid he thinks trade deficits are losses.

for the good of America is why the bullying. you rooting for china?

Trump is putting a gun to the heads of Americans & threatening to shoot if China does not bend to his will.

Don't worry-they did.

when?

Third Party, the liar, is promulgating Trump's lie that China called him frantically begging for a deal over the weekend. Chinese officials said they are surprised, as there were no such calls.

 

[Third Party]

so why isn't China coming to the table if that is all true? why aren't you asking that question, you anti american hack.

Why should China bend to stupid ass bullying.

Trump is sofa king stupid he thinks trade deficits are losses.

for the good of America is why the bullying. you rooting for china?

Trump is putting a gun to the heads of Americans & threatening to shoot if China does not bend to his will.

Don't worry-they did.

when?

Today

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump is being thoroughly embarrassed and exposed on the world stage at G7.

Of course, he doesn't know it...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Don't worry-they did.

They absolutely did not.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Come on guys, jeezus, let's at least try to stick with reality here.

The reality is Trump is a flawed man and is a mess but some of the things you wrote about, well one I believe is something he is correct on.

I will say it again I am not a Trump fanboy but he has not destroyed the country or world like many have believed he would and I am one that believed he would...

We now live in a nation where the federal authorities had to be ordered by a judge to provide toothbrushes to children in their custody. They didn’t want to give kids a way to brush their teeth.

Judges Rule Detained Migrant Children Entitled to Soap, Toothpaste

Really, let that sink in. You support a man who thinks that kids shouldn’t be entitled to soap and toothpaste while in custody of our federal authorities.

And now, it has come out that the same kids will not get the flu shot while in your blob’s care and custody.

3 migrant children have died from flu in custody, but US won't provide vaccines

So as more kids are put into the cage…some may have the flu…those already there are now susceptible to catching it, spreading it, dying from it.

And you’re going to vote for this piece of shit?

You should be more specific. They didn't just die of flu and if they are given vaccines and die or are injured from the vaccines due to their already compromised health before they were brought into the country illegally there is also a liability in that.

Autopsy Offers Jarring New Details About the Death of a 16-Year-Old Guatemalan Boy

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Not really sure why it’s hard to see the point….

We are detaining kids and denying them vaccines that would prevent their getting sick when we bring in more kids who may be infected with influenza which is a deadly disease….

Up until recently, we were also denying kids soap and toothpaste.

Anyone who supports the blob at this point has a sadistic streak in them .

They are dealing with children that should not have been brought here in the first place. That illegal entry is where the problem starts.

First they have to determine who is actually the parent and the parent needs to give consent for vaccines to be given. Simply insure they stay in their own countries and apply to enter legally, problem solved.

Forcing all illegally entered children to be subjected to the side effects of vaccines would be a travesty too. Perhaps you believe in human experimentation but not everyone agrees with you. Those children that died had other underlying health issues. You can't just give a vaccine and claim it will all be good. Sepsis is a deadly disease, so are many other diseases and unknown parasites, etc. cause medical complications that these people are coming in with. Those issues should all have to be addressed before any vaccine could be given and that needs to be done when they get back to their country of origin. Best possible solution when they came illegally is a more expedient deportation process to get them back to their home countries where they belong.

They are children.

Period.

How they came to the United States is irrelevant and in no manner mitigates Trump’s reprehensible, criminal treatment of migrant children or Trump’s utter indifference and incompetence addressing the issue of migrant children.

 

[JoeB131]

fter 8 years of the Obama Administration taking businesses to court, harassing conservatives with the IRS, spying on private citizens by the White House, giving technology and paying billions in reparations to our enemies, along with throwing people in jail for being critics, you think the presidency is in a bad place now????

Um, yeah. So do most sane people.

 

[JoeB131]

That's instructive.

[1] The last Democratic candidate for President winning the White vote, if I remember correctly, was Johnson. They were, in particular, losing the White vote in the South, with some districts going 90% GOP. That's to say, "alienate" isn't the term I would use for what was happening for half a century.

[2] Now, if the Dems alienated White voters, the result would be a decline in White votes for Democrats. A decline or increase of the White vote for Trump doesn't demonstrate anything in that context.


So, we have a point made by Mac that is at best hapless, and a counter by Joe that amounts to a non-argument at best, not addressing Mac's point. All that is then followed, allegedly, by [3], Mac's long-dead and decaying hobby horse. Neither, if we believe the account, is treating his opposite side with even the basic respect a debate would require, and, quite obviously, things are going nowhere, fast.

Um, wow. Thats what you took out of that exchange, making more excuses for Vichy Mac.

He made a FACTUALLY INCORRECT argument, and frankly, your counter proved my point even more. His point was that Democrats "recently" alienated white people. And no, they really hadn't. THey lost white people a long time ago. You kind of reinforced my point.

The GOP has been VERY CLEVER at getting stupid white people to vote against their own economic interests for years (and I plead guilty, because I voted for them a few times) . The point Stormy Mac was making was that Obama had done this, and they totally needed to suck up to the bigots by having sympathy for the hole they dug themselves into.

It doesn't help that the Democrats promote race pimps like Sharpton and Jackson...

There's no point in treating Mac with "respect" when he blatantly misstates facts, and keeps misstating them when corrected.

And that's while a debate is overdue on where the White voters were marching, and why, and what all this has to do with that most putrid of blossoms on the swamp of largely White rage and insanity, Trump, and his failing Presidency.

Again, Trump is an accident of history, largely because the Democrats foisted the most unlikable human being they could find on the electorate... And then told us all not to worry, she had it in the bag.

It really didn't matter where the putrid white people were "marching", they've been marching there since 1964. The problem was otherwise decent people figured, "Heck, I can show my displeasure with Hillary by voting for Jill Stein!"

But Vichy Mac will keep saying, "We need to elect more guys like Jim Webb!" You know, the putrid DINO who quit after one term.

This is why Democrats FAIL. They don't go in for the kill. Trump has fundementally transformed the country, for the worse, because he had no compunctions about appointing neanderthals and crooks to every judicial and executive post.

Meanwhile, Obama imposed Romney-Care Lite, everyone hated it, and he lost Congress in short order.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

His point was that Democrats "recently" alienated white people. And no, they really hadn't. THey lost white people a long time ago.

And that's a fact. And we all know why.

 

[Third Party]

Why should China bend to stupid ass bullying.

Trump is sofa king stupid he thinks trade deficits are losses.

for the good of America is why the bullying. you rooting for china?

Trump is putting a gun to the heads of Americans & threatening to shoot if China does not bend to his will.

Don't worry-they did.

when?

Third Party, the liar, is promulgating Trump's lie that China called him frantically begging for a deal over the weekend. Chinese officials said they are surprised, as there were no such calls.

Olde Europe thinks calling me a liar will raise his standing-I say good posts with others would do more for his stock but not his ego. Tell me how you would react if you were called a liar-in my day, there would be a fist fight-you girly types don't go for that, so what would you do?

 

[Third Party]

Trump is being thoroughly embarrassed and exposed on the world stage at G7.

Of course, he doesn't know it...

I read he killed it!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump is being thoroughly embarrassed and exposed on the world stage at G7.

Of course, he doesn't know it...

I read he killed it!