At What Point Did Conservatives Stop Being Conservatives?

[Anathema]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

Authoritarianism, Nationalism, and other forms of Extremism ARE THE DEFINITION OF CONSERVATISM

 

[occupied]

Same goes for you idiots regarding "authoritarianism".

Oh no we know exactly what it is because liberals are always target number one. Any dictatorship you can think of went after the press, the educators, the labor leaders and the populist agitators first thing.

All of those groups used to be fairly conservative before WW2(in the west anyway), and there are plenty of "liberal" authoritarians.

Liberal authoritarian is an oxymoron. There can very well be leftist authoritarians but they are not liberals. Even the Soviet Union quickly became a rule-bound monolithic power structure that did not allow freedom of thought. After only a few decades the leadership became as conservative and resistant to change as any country can be. Note: I am using the word "conservative" in it's traditional correct usage not the screwed-up fluid definition rightists use to describe themselves nowadays.

 

[ptbw forever]

Same goes for you idiots regarding "authoritarianism".

Oh no we know exactly what it is because liberals are always target number one. Any dictatorship you can think of went after the press, the educators, the labor leaders and the populist agitators first thing.

All of those groups used to be fairly conservative before WW2(in the west anyway), and there are plenty of "liberal" authoritarians.

Liberal authoritarian is an oxymoron. There can very well be leftist authoritarians but they are not liberals. Even the Soviet Union quickly became a rule-bound monolithic power structure that did not allow freedom of thought. After only a few decades the leadership became as conservative and resistant to change as any country can be. Note: I am using the word "conservative" in it's traditional correct usage not the screwed-up fluid definition rightists use to describe themselves nowadays.

The only "fluid" definition of "conservative" comes from "progressive" lunatics who insist Republicans are "moving to the right" all the time.

 

[ptbw forever]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

Authoritarianism, Nationalism, and other forms of Extremism ARE THE DEFINITION OF CONSERVATISM

Nationalism is common sense for a person living in a world of nation-states. There is nothing extreme about it.

 

[Anathema]

Nationalism is common sense for a person living in a world of nation-states. There is nothing extreme about it.

There is when it includes Isolationism

 

[occupied]

Same goes for you idiots regarding "authoritarianism".

Oh no we know exactly what it is because liberals are always target number one. Any dictatorship you can think of went after the press, the educators, the labor leaders and the populist agitators first thing.

All of those groups used to be fairly conservative before WW2(in the west anyway), and there are plenty of "liberal" authoritarians.

Liberal authoritarian is an oxymoron. There can very well be leftist authoritarians but they are not liberals. Even the Soviet Union quickly became a rule-bound monolithic power structure that did not allow freedom of thought. After only a few decades the leadership became as conservative and resistant to change as any country can be. Note: I am using the word "conservative" in it's traditional correct usage not the screwed-up fluid definition rightists use to describe themselves nowadays.

The only "fluid" definition of "conservative" comes from "progressive" lunatics who insist Republicans are "moving to the right" all the time.

No, it used to mean the element within any population or a ruling faction that felt change should be a slow incremental process and resisted any sort of sweeping reforms. That's all the word ever meant until Republicans decided it meant a whole slate of shifting platform positions, like smaller government, lower taxes, kissing billionaire ass etc. etc.

 

[ptbw forever]

Nationalism is common sense for a person living in a world of nation-states. There is nothing extreme about it.

There is when it includes Isolationism

"Isolationism" literally means doing anything different from the globalist(extremist)status-quo that only Western countries have.

 

[SmokeALib]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

What was the turning point, exactly?

(I'm not referring to the conservatives here who do not support Trump, y'all have my respect -- even if I disagree with you on virtually everything.)

Post is irrelevant. Conservatives never stopped being conservative. Republicans, however, is a different story.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

What was the turning point, exactly?

(I'm not referring to the conservatives here who do not support Trump, y'all have my respect -- even if I disagree with you on virtually everything.)

Early 70s, when conservatives made their Faustian bargain with the social right and Christian fundamentalists.

 

[Anathema]

"Isolationism" literally means doing anything different from the globalist(extremist)status-quo that only Western countries have.

No. Isolationism means having zero contact with any other nations on any level.

 

[ptbw forever]

Same goes for you idiots regarding "authoritarianism".

Oh no we know exactly what it is because liberals are always target number one. Any dictatorship you can think of went after the press, the educators, the labor leaders and the populist agitators first thing.

All of those groups used to be fairly conservative before WW2(in the west anyway), and there are plenty of "liberal" authoritarians.

Liberal authoritarian is an oxymoron. There can very well be leftist authoritarians but they are not liberals. Even the Soviet Union quickly became a rule-bound monolithic power structure that did not allow freedom of thought. After only a few decades the leadership became as conservative and resistant to change as any country can be. Note: I am using the word "conservative" in it's traditional correct usage not the screwed-up fluid definition rightists use to describe themselves nowadays.

The only "fluid" definition of "conservative" comes from "progressive" lunatics who insist Republicans are "moving to the right" all the time.

No, it used to mean the element within any population or a ruling faction that felt change should be a slow incremental process and resisted any sort of sweeping reforms. That's all the word ever meant until Republicans decided it meant a whole slate of shifting platform positions, like smaller government, lower taxes, kissing billionaire ass etc. etc.

Do you even have any clue how much smaller the government was right after the founding of this country compared to what it is now?

Maybe if you idiots would stop rapidly expanding the government and stop campaigning to make those radical changes permanent, then maybe conservatives would stop demanding smaller government and lower taxes in an attempt to reverse those massive changes.

 

[ptbw forever]

"Isolationism" literally means doing anything different from the globalist(extremist)status-quo that only Western countries have.

No. Isolationism means having zero contact with any other nations on any level.

Not even North Korea is that isolated.

Try again.

 

[occupied]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

What was the turning point, exactly?

(I'm not referring to the conservatives here who do not support Trump, y'all have my respect -- even if I disagree with you on virtually everything.)

Early 70s, when conservatives made their Faustian bargain with the social right and Christian fundamentalists.

That was the starting point but it was the birth of the tea party and allowing them to control the national dialog of republicanism that conservatism took on a meaning that had nothing to do with resisting change and everything to do with gaining the power to remake America in some nostalgic1950s image that never really existed.

 

[Anathema]

Not even North Korea is that isolated.

Try again.

I'd love to try Isolationism again on a national level.

 

[occupied]

Oh no we know exactly what it is because liberals are always target number one. Any dictatorship you can think of went after the press, the educators, the labor leaders and the populist agitators first thing.

All of those groups used to be fairly conservative before WW2(in the west anyway), and there are plenty of "liberal" authoritarians.

Liberal authoritarian is an oxymoron. There can very well be leftist authoritarians but they are not liberals. Even the Soviet Union quickly became a rule-bound monolithic power structure that did not allow freedom of thought. After only a few decades the leadership became as conservative and resistant to change as any country can be. Note: I am using the word "conservative" in it's traditional correct usage not the screwed-up fluid definition rightists use to describe themselves nowadays.

The only "fluid" definition of "conservative" comes from "progressive" lunatics who insist Republicans are "moving to the right" all the time.

No, it used to mean the element within any population or a ruling faction that felt change should be a slow incremental process and resisted any sort of sweeping reforms. That's all the word ever meant until Republicans decided it meant a whole slate of shifting platform positions, like smaller government, lower taxes, kissing billionaire ass etc. etc.

Do you even have any clue how much smaller the government was right after the founding of this country compared to what it is now?

Maybe if you idiots would stop rapidly expanding the government and stop campaigning to make those radical changes permanent, then maybe conservatives would stop demanding smaller government and lower taxes in an attempt to reverse those massive changes.

Except they never actually do any of that stuff when they have power, they grow government at least as much and find new ways to make the working/middle class pay for socialism for the rich.

 

[ptbw forever]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

What was the turning point, exactly?

(I'm not referring to the conservatives here who do not support Trump, y'all have my respect -- even if I disagree with you on virtually everything.)

Early 70s, when conservatives made their Faustian bargain with the social right and Christian fundamentalists.

I love it how you assholes expect the right to be divided just because you think they should, but when anyone tries to do the same to the circus that is the "progressive" left you guys cry foul.

The social and economic right go together just as well as the social and economic left. Deal with it.

 

[Rustic]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

What was the turning point, exactly?

(I'm not referring to the conservatives here who do not support Trump, y'all have my respect -- even if I disagree with you on virtually everything.)

Career politicians have never been conservative. Dip shit

 

[ptbw forever]

All of those groups used to be fairly conservative before WW2(in the west anyway), and there are plenty of "liberal" authoritarians.

Liberal authoritarian is an oxymoron. There can very well be leftist authoritarians but they are not liberals. Even the Soviet Union quickly became a rule-bound monolithic power structure that did not allow freedom of thought. After only a few decades the leadership became as conservative and resistant to change as any country can be. Note: I am using the word "conservative" in it's traditional correct usage not the screwed-up fluid definition rightists use to describe themselves nowadays.

The only "fluid" definition of "conservative" comes from "progressive" lunatics who insist Republicans are "moving to the right" all the time.

No, it used to mean the element within any population or a ruling faction that felt change should be a slow incremental process and resisted any sort of sweeping reforms. That's all the word ever meant until Republicans decided it meant a whole slate of shifting platform positions, like smaller government, lower taxes, kissing billionaire ass etc. etc.

Do you even have any clue how much smaller the government was right after the founding of this country compared to what it is now?

Maybe if you idiots would stop rapidly expanding the government and stop campaigning to make those radical changes permanent, then maybe conservatives would stop demanding smaller government and lower taxes in an attempt to reverse those massive changes.

Except they never actually do any of that stuff when they have power, they grow government at least as much and find new ways to make the working/middle class pay for socialism for the rich.

Except you guys don't really care what they do either way.

You have no argument to criticize them with.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

What was the turning point, exactly?

(I'm not referring to the conservatives here who do not support Trump, y'all have my respect -- even if I disagree with you on virtually everything.)

I agree, any "Conservative" voting for Hillary is indeed an authoritarian who supports the totalitarian platform of Hillary and the Khmer Rouge democrats.

Oh, I don't have any respect for you Stalinists - none at all.

 

[Rustic]

Just curious. Just wondering when conservatives decided to throw away what it means to actually be a conservative, and instead chose to embrace authoritarianism and extremism.

What was the turning point, exactly?

(I'm not referring to the conservatives here who do not support Trump, y'all have my respect -- even if I disagree with you on virtually everything.)

Well, it sure as hell was recently, and it was pretty obviously tied to Trump's candidacy.

It's like many of their heads just exploded out of pure frustration that they couldn't find a pure enough candidate, so they decided to burn the party down.
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well, it's certainly at a boil now. but this has been coming since lee Atwater and Ronnie Reagan. there is also a deep strain of anti-intellectualism in the GOP base that has been festering for a long time and has been encouraged by politicians for their own gain.

so now you have people ignoring fact and telling us it's "the liberal media" if they don't like what they're hearing or if what they're hearing doesn't encourage their confirmation bias.

Progressives are the biggest dumbasses on the planet...