Background checks and increase age to own a gun.

[Brain357]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

I saw a really detailed report from the Dept. of Justice on gun deaths a couple days ago, and it broke down gun homicides by age group. When I read it, I immediately thought "we need to keep guns out of the hands of people under 25." That's where all the action seems to be. It won't help with the gang shootings, though, they since they're kids with illegal guns. That's going to take a different tactic.

Maybe in certain really limited situations, juvenile records should be available to SOME. I didn't know those records were actually shredded when they turned 18. I thought they were just kept closed.

The majority of those killed are criminals involved in crime.... the shooters are under 21, have criminal records, so are already banned from buying, owning or carrying guns...

The majority of these shootings are gang related or criminal related......that is why nothing you propose will stop it...

But, as Japan shows with their criminals...they went from using guns and grenades against each other in their gang fighting, to not touching guns. How did they do that? They have a 95% conviction rate, and if a criminal is caught using a gun in a crime they get a life sentence...without parole.....and 15 years for mere possession of an illegal gun.

That is all you need to do to dry up 95% of the gun crime...once you stop democrats from releasing repeat gun offenders on Bond, and out of prison in under 3 years.

Japan has few guns and few in jail. The US incarceration rate is highest in the world.

Wrong.....Japanese criminals were using guns and grenades all the way into 2013...the thing that changed?

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

Japan has few guns and few in jail. The US incarceration rate is highest in the world.

 

[Brain357]

[Q

You work so hard to make sure killers are well armed. Wouldn’t want to be you trying to get into heaven one day...

Where you are confused is making the assumption that taking firearms away from law abiding gun owners would cut down on gun crime by the criminal element that commit the great majority of gun crimes in this country.

Of course your confusion is understandable. You Liberals are just as confused about gun crime as you are confused about Economics, Climate Science, History, the Constitution, Ethics and Biology.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a small fraction of ours. A large capacity magazine isn’t needed for defense.

No, countries that used to have peaceful cultures had guns and low gun murder rates....those countries destroyed their families, and brought in 3rd world immigrants to run their drug gangs...now Britain and Sweden and the rest are all experiencing the beginnings of violence that we saw from the 1960s through the 90s.

Interesting imagination. Fact is they have MUCH lower homicide rates. You can predict the future? You get more nutty every day...

Yes....I can.......out of wedlock births, fatherless homes......violent immigrant gangs......just like the U.S. in the 1960s.....

Many have more fatherless homes than we do already. You make this so easy...

 

[2aguy]

[Q

You work so hard to make sure killers are well armed. Wouldn’t want to be you trying to get into heaven one day...

Where you are confused is making the assumption that taking firearms away from law abiding gun owners would cut down on gun crime by the criminal element that commit the great majority of gun crimes in this country.

Of course your confusion is understandable. You Liberals are just as confused about gun crime as you are confused about Economics, Climate Science, History, the Constitution, Ethics and Biology.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a small fraction of ours. A large capacity magazine isn’t needed for defense.

No, countries that used to have peaceful cultures had guns and low gun murder rates....those countries destroyed their families, and brought in 3rd world immigrants to run their drug gangs...now Britain and Sweden and the rest are all experiencing the beginnings of violence that we saw from the 1960s through the 90s.

Interesting imagination. Fact is they have MUCH lower homicide rates. You can predict the future? You get more nutty every day...

Moron...

Stats in Sweden show rise in violence after refugee surge

Murder rose 11 percent in 2016 when compared to 2015's numbers.

Men specifically are killed by gunfire at an increased rate too - up 28 percent in that same time period.

Leading up to 2016, more than a quarter million refugees applied for asylum in Sweden, most fleeing war zones in Muslim-majority countries.

 

[2aguy]

Where you are confused is making the assumption that taking firearms away from law abiding gun owners would cut down on gun crime by the criminal element that commit the great majority of gun crimes in this country.

Of course your confusion is understandable. You Liberals are just as confused about gun crime as you are confused about Economics, Climate Science, History, the Constitution, Ethics and Biology.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a small fraction of ours. A large capacity magazine isn’t needed for defense.

No, countries that used to have peaceful cultures had guns and low gun murder rates....those countries destroyed their families, and brought in 3rd world immigrants to run their drug gangs...now Britain and Sweden and the rest are all experiencing the beginnings of violence that we saw from the 1960s through the 90s.

Interesting imagination. Fact is they have MUCH lower homicide rates. You can predict the future? You get more nutty every day...

Yes....I can.......out of wedlock births, fatherless homes......violent immigrant gangs......just like the U.S. in the 1960s.....

Many have more fatherless homes than we do already. You make this so easy...

They went through World War 2, we weren't touched by it......they are decades behind us in the destruction of their families.......they now have single teenage girls raising young males without fathers....and no older generation of men to teach them how to be non violent.

 

[Brain357]

[Q

You work so hard to make sure killers are well armed. Wouldn’t want to be you trying to get into heaven one day...

Where you are confused is making the assumption that taking firearms away from law abiding gun owners would cut down on gun crime by the criminal element that commit the great majority of gun crimes in this country.

Of course your confusion is understandable. You Liberals are just as confused about gun crime as you are confused about Economics, Climate Science, History, the Constitution, Ethics and Biology.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a small fraction of ours. A large capacity magazine isn’t needed for defense.

No, countries that used to have peaceful cultures had guns and low gun murder rates....those countries destroyed their families, and brought in 3rd world immigrants to run their drug gangs...now Britain and Sweden and the rest are all experiencing the beginnings of violence that we saw from the 1960s through the 90s.

Interesting imagination. Fact is they have MUCH lower homicide rates. You can predict the future? You get more nutty every day...

Moron...

Stats in Sweden show rise in violence after refugee surge

Murder rose 11 percent in 2016 when compared to 2015's numbers.

Men specifically are killed by gunfire at an increased rate too - up 28 percent in that same time period.

Leading up to 2016, more than a quarter million refugees applied for asylum in Sweden, most fleeing war zones in Muslim-majority countries.

And a homicide rate a tiny fraction of ours. You spew garbage while people die.

 

[Flopper]

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The difficulty in balancing individual freedoms against protection of the individual is such a difficult problem that many nations turn to totalitarian measures. The US is still struggling to find that balance as we see with gun ownership and freedom of speech..

The founding founders were so afraid of democracy that they put almost no protections for individual freedoms in the constitution and added the Bill of Rights as an afterthought.

Only 3 countries in the world today protect the right to bear arms in their constitutions: the US, Mexico, and Guatemala. Both Mexico and Guatemala have now curtailed legal rights to own guns but fail to enforce those curtailments. Bolivia, Costa Rica, Colombia, Honduras, Nicaragua, an Liberia followed the US example but have have rescinded those rights as violence and instability rose. None of these countries have been successful and controlling the guns or gun violence.

It appears that once gun ownership and the resulting violence catches hold in a nation, removing it becomes almost impossible.

Tens of millions of Americans are law abiding gun owners.

Taking guns away from them will have little or no impact to the criminal elements.

Most of the gun crimes in the US is committed by inner city thugs, gang members, druggies and others that would no more adhere to a new gun law than the Man in the Moon.

I think the US passed that point many many years ago. The few countries that have been spared gun violence such as Japan have a long history of gun control. Guns were introduced in Japan in 1588 and gun control began in 1624. Today police do not usually carry guns. Gun related deaths in the US is 200 times greater than Japan.

 

[Brain357]

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a small fraction of ours. A large capacity magazine isn’t needed for defense.

No, countries that used to have peaceful cultures had guns and low gun murder rates....those countries destroyed their families, and brought in 3rd world immigrants to run their drug gangs...now Britain and Sweden and the rest are all experiencing the beginnings of violence that we saw from the 1960s through the 90s.

Interesting imagination. Fact is they have MUCH lower homicide rates. You can predict the future? You get more nutty every day...

Yes....I can.......out of wedlock births, fatherless homes......violent immigrant gangs......just like the U.S. in the 1960s.....

Many have more fatherless homes than we do already. You make this so easy...

They went through World War 2, we weren't touched by it......they are decades behind us in the destruction of their families.......they now have single teenage girls raising young males without fathers....and no older generation of men to teach them how to be non violent.

Sure nostradumbass.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

No.

Enforce the laws that already exist. What good are these new laws going to be if they are going to be left to gather dust like the old ones?

 

[NoVote]

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Background checks and increase age to own a gun.

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Does this really bother you? Dumbass.

 

[blackhawk]

Sounds like a reasonable discussion to have I will be curious to see what the age limit to buy a gun will be.

 

[Brain357]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

No.

Enforce the laws that already exist. What good are these new laws going to be if they are going to be left to gather dust like the old ones?

Years of saying that ain’t saving nobody.

 

[Flash]

[Q

I think the US passed that point many many years ago. The few countries that have been spared gun violence such as Japan have a long history of gun control. Guns were introduced in Japan in 1588 and gun control began in 1624. Today police do not usually carry guns. Gun related deaths in the US is 200 times greater than Japan.

With great power comes great responsibility.

With Liberty comes the responsibility to act responsible. However, not everybody is going to do that. God found that out with Caine, didn't he?

I would much rather live in a country with Liberty and be slightly less safe than to live in a country that oppressed my Liberty.

Taking my firearms away prevents me from having the ability to protect my family and does absolutely nothing to affect the great majority of gun crime among the mostly inner city thugs, druggies, gang bangers, etc that commit the great majority of the crimes.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

No.

Enforce the laws that already exist. What good are these new laws going to be if they are going to be left to gather dust like the old ones?

Years of saying that ain’t saving nobody.

And making new laws doesn't seem to be saving anyone, either.

 

[2aguy]

[

The difficulty in balancing individual freedoms against protection of the individual is such a difficult problem that many nations turn to totalitarian measures. The US is still struggling to find that balance as we see with gun ownership and freedom of speech..

The founding founders were so afraid of democracy that they put almost no protections for individual freedoms in the constitution and added the Bill of Rights as an afterthought.

Only 3 countries in the world today protect the right to bear arms in their constitutions: the US, Mexico, and Guatemala. Both Mexico and Guatemala have now curtailed legal rights to own guns but fail to enforce those curtailments. Bolivia, Costa Rica, Colombia, Honduras, Nicaragua, an Liberia followed the US example but have have rescinded those rights as violence and instability rose. None of these countries have been successful and controlling the guns or gun violence.

It appears that once gun ownership and the resulting violence catches hold in a nation, removing it becomes almost impossible.

Tens of millions of Americans are law abiding gun owners.

Taking guns away from them will have little or no impact to the criminal elements.

Most of the gun crimes in the US is committed by inner city thugs, gang members, druggies and others that would no more adhere to a new gun law than the Man in the Moon.

I think the US passed that point many many years ago. The few countries that have been spared gun violence such as Japan have a long history of gun control. Guns were introduced in Japan in 1588 and gun control began in 1624. Today police do not usually carry guns. Gun related deaths in the US is 200 times greater than Japan.

The Yakuza used guns and grenades as recently as 2013.......they passed new laws giving a life sentence for using a gun in a crime and 10 years or more for being caught with an illegal gun...that is how they stopped gun crime......

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

 

[2aguy]

[

The difficulty in balancing individual freedoms against protection of the individual is such a difficult problem that many nations turn to totalitarian measures. The US is still struggling to find that balance as we see with gun ownership and freedom of speech..

The founding founders were so afraid of democracy that they put almost no protections for individual freedoms in the constitution and added the Bill of Rights as an afterthought.

Only 3 countries in the world today protect the right to bear arms in their constitutions: the US, Mexico, and Guatemala. Both Mexico and Guatemala have now curtailed legal rights to own guns but fail to enforce those curtailments. Bolivia, Costa Rica, Colombia, Honduras, Nicaragua, an Liberia followed the US example but have have rescinded those rights as violence and instability rose. None of these countries have been successful and controlling the guns or gun violence.

It appears that once gun ownership and the resulting violence catches hold in a nation, removing it becomes almost impossible.

Tens of millions of Americans are law abiding gun owners.

Taking guns away from them will have little or no impact to the criminal elements.

Most of the gun crimes in the US is committed by inner city thugs, gang members, druggies and others that would no more adhere to a new gun law than the Man in the Moon.

I think the US passed that point many many years ago. The few countries that have been spared gun violence such as Japan have a long history of gun control. Guns were introduced in Japan in 1588 and gun control began in 1624. Today police do not usually carry guns. Gun related deaths in the US is 200 times greater than Japan.

This is what Japan faced before they put a life sentence on gun crime...

The Great Japanese Gang Wars

In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

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The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight

The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course. It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men. Things really escalated in in August 2007, when a shooter from the Seido-kai assassinated the head of the Dojin-kai.
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[Brain357]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

No.

Enforce the laws that already exist. What good are these new laws going to be if they are going to be left to gather dust like the old ones?

Years of saying that ain’t saving nobody.

And making new laws doesn't seem to be saving anyone, either.

Well that’s because we haven’t. Actually laws were taken away.

 

[22lcidw]

Whatever the issues, never trust a Prog......Or he might knife you! To many lies using social justice which may have been right, but walking away from each issue to another with the fallout from each one blamed on something else. This is a war. A between something not good even with those intentions with perceptions of being good versus a war with something good with flaws in intentions and perceptions of not being good. And the former with the Progs are winning. Remove the payouts to us all. If the Progs way stands, then we are wrong. Unfortunately, if that happens then something bad will have happened to prove a point.

 

[Brain357]

[

The difficulty in balancing individual freedoms against protection of the individual is such a difficult problem that many nations turn to totalitarian measures. The US is still struggling to find that balance as we see with gun ownership and freedom of speech..

The founding founders were so afraid of democracy that they put almost no protections for individual freedoms in the constitution and added the Bill of Rights as an afterthought.

Only 3 countries in the world today protect the right to bear arms in their constitutions: the US, Mexico, and Guatemala. Both Mexico and Guatemala have now curtailed legal rights to own guns but fail to enforce those curtailments. Bolivia, Costa Rica, Colombia, Honduras, Nicaragua, an Liberia followed the US example but have have rescinded those rights as violence and instability rose. None of these countries have been successful and controlling the guns or gun violence.

It appears that once gun ownership and the resulting violence catches hold in a nation, removing it becomes almost impossible.

Tens of millions of Americans are law abiding gun owners.

Taking guns away from them will have little or no impact to the criminal elements.

Most of the gun crimes in the US is committed by inner city thugs, gang members, druggies and others that would no more adhere to a new gun law than the Man in the Moon.

I think the US passed that point many many years ago. The few countries that have been spared gun violence such as Japan have a long history of gun control. Guns were introduced in Japan in 1588 and gun control began in 1624. Today police do not usually carry guns. Gun related deaths in the US is 200 times greater than Japan.

The Yakuza used guns and grenades as recently as 2013.......they passed new laws giving a life sentence for using a gun in a crime and 10 years or more for being caught with an illegal gun...that is how they stopped gun crime......

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

And their homicide rates were a tiny fraction of ours that whole time. They have never been flooded with guns.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

No.

Enforce the laws that already exist. What good are these new laws going to be if they are going to be left to gather dust like the old ones?

Years of saying that ain’t saving nobody.

And making new laws doesn't seem to be saving anyone, either.

Well that’s because we haven’t. Actually laws were taken away.

Would the laws that were 'taken away' have played a direct role in stopping the shooter in El Paso or Dayton?

 

[Norman]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Obviously, there is no reason for Americans to agree with this.

Only if the voting age is raised, is there a reason to raise the age. Adult is adult. Now I would agree with that the age should be 21.