Baker must make gay cakes

[Seawytch]

Didn't Jefferson say that there is no case of tyranny clearer than the government forcing people to violate their conscience?

And yet you have no problem with forcing this man to make a gay wedding cake because now gay is the new crusade that you progressives shove on everyone like it or not, beliefs or not.

Seriously, what ever happened to liberals having tolerance for other peoples values and beliefs?

Seems to have vanished into the thick smoke screen of self-righteous leftist triumphalism.

Just like restaurants were "forced" to serve blacks and interracial couples, despite the fact that it violated their conscience.

When you partner with a locality to own a business, you agree that you will abide by the laws of the locality. Many localities have public accommodation laws and some even include "the gheys".

There are even Federal Protections that say you must serve people and can't deny them based on certain things like race, country of origin, gender, etc. You've read the Civil Rights Act, yes?

By party
The original House version:

Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[20]

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version:[19]

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[19]

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

 

[DriftingSand]

Hahaha. Now THAT's what I'm talkin' about. Bam!

Look ... if a queer must go to a straight dude to get a cake just go in and ask for a cake without announcing your sexual preferences. I don't go to Subway and ask for a sandwich then blurt out: " by the way ... I'm straight ... just so ya know." Only a mentally incompetent goon would announce his sexual activities when ordering food.

Now if a queer goes in and asks the baker to draw an image of a penis on the cake the baker has EVERY RIGHT UNDER THE SUN to decline such a mentally screwed up request.

No, you see, a wedding cake has these little figures on the top...

Which means straights want these.

But these Bible Thumping assholes would freak out if they had to put THIS on top of a cake.

Tough for them. They have a business, they need to fulfill what they promised to do.

If gays want two boy dollies on their cake they can go to their local Walmart and buy two boy dollies. Don't force the baker to do something that goes against his conscience. See how easy that is?

 

[DriftingSand]

I see this issue as no different than serving blacks was back in the 60s. If you owned a cafe/restaurant, whatever, the civil rights law dictated that you served blacks as well as whites: that you couldn't discriminate. This is no different: if you own a business, you can't say who you will serve and who you won't serve. That's the bottom line. There is nothing here up for discussion until you can undo the civil rights law.

I personally know blacks that HATE being equated to the gay issue. Being black is not the same as being gay. From a Christian perspective there is nothing in the Bible that bans anyone from baking a cake or performing a service for someone who's black. It's not a sin to be black. However, the Bible is very clear that homosexuality is very much a sin (both Old and New Testaments). So a Christian baker who knows his Bible has the right to follow his conscience concerning this issue.

 

[Mac1958]

If gays want two boy dollies on their cake they can go to their local Walmart and buy two boy dollies. Don't force the baker to do something that goes against his conscience. See how easy that is?

This isn't about logic or cost or convenience or "public accommodations" or laws or anything like that.

It's about making a statement and increasing control.

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[Wildman]

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/colorado-baker-to-stop-making-wedding-cakes/?cat_orig=faith

they are quitting the cake making business, i would to, rather than bend to a bunch of fucking qweers and asshole law makers..., fuck'em all

 

[JoeB131]

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If gays want two boy dollies on their cake they can go to their local Walmart and buy two boy dollies. Don't force the baker to do something that goes against his conscience. See how easy that is?

Is that baker killing his neighbors for working on Sunday like the bible says to?

Or maybe he's working on Sunday himself.

Businesses are public accommedations. this argument was made 50 years ago when they didn't want to serve blacks.

The Baker doesn't have a leg to stand on. If he doesn't want to make cakes for gays, he should close down his bakery.

 

[jillian]

If gays want two boy dollies on their cake they can go to their local Walmart and buy two boy dollies. Don't force the baker to do something that goes against his conscience. See how easy that is?

if you can't do your job, you should go into another business. your personal prejudices do not allow you to discriminate against people who wish to access your business... not based on race, religion or gender or other things protected constitutionally.

now if they don't have the money to pay for the service you provide, you DO get to say you won't serve them.

otherwise, find another job/business. that goes for bakers, pharmacists, doctors or anyone else offering a public service who wants to use their religion to justify hate.

if a baker said he refused to work for christians, the wingers would be standing in front of the business threatening to shut it down.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

we all don't like fags

And this is an example of the hate and ignorance that render public accommodations laws just, proper, and Constitutional – where jurisdictions such as Colorado are authorized by the Constitution to safeguard the markets from disruption, including the consequences of racism, bigotry, and discrimination.

 

[DriftingSand]

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If gays want two boy dollies on their cake they can go to their local Walmart and buy two boy dollies. Don't force the baker to do something that goes against his conscience. See how easy that is?

Is that baker killing his neighbors for working on Sunday like the bible says to?

Or maybe he's working on Sunday himself.

Businesses are public accommedations. this argument was made 50 years ago when they didn't want to serve blacks.

The Baker doesn't have a leg to stand on. If he doesn't want to make cakes for gays, he should close down his bakery.

Being black is not condemned in the Bible. Being homosexual is. A Jew has a right to refuse to bake a cake for a group of Neo Nazis if they demand that the cake have swastikas on it. Christians, too, share the freedom to accommodate or refuse to accommodate certain details as well. So if a Christian baker MUST bake a cake for a gay wedding then a Jew baker MUST bake a cake for a group of folks celebrating Hitler's birthday. Is that what you're saying?

 

[DriftingSand]

If gays want two boy dollies on their cake they can go to their local Walmart and buy two boy dollies. Don't force the baker to do something that goes against his conscience. See how easy that is?

if you can't do your job, you should go into another business. your personal prejudices do not allow you to discriminate against people who wish to access your business... not based on race, religion or gender or other things protected constitutionally.

now if they don't have the money to pay for the service you provide, you DO get to say you won't serve them.

otherwise, find another job/business. that goes for bakers, pharmacists, doctors or anyone else offering a public service who wants to use their religion to justify hate.

if a baker said he refused to work for christians, the wingers would be standing in front of the business threatening to shut it down.

Then what you're saying is that Charles Manson can force a baker to bake a cake with an outline of a knife sticking out of Sharon Tate's stomach? The baker must comply?

 

[Mac1958]

Then what you're saying is that Charles Manson can force a baker to bake a cake with an outline of a knife sticking out of Sharon Tate's stomach? The baker must comply?

Any day the Left cannot "force" a business to "comply" with them is like a day without sunshine!

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[Wildman]

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stop the fucking arguing, the people quit making cakes rather than serve a couple of qweers..,


end of discussion.

 

[JoeB131]

Being black is not condemned in the Bible. Being homosexual is. A Jew has a right to refuse to bake a cake for a group of Neo Nazis if they demand that the cake have swastikas on it. Christians, too, share the freedom to accommodate or refuse to accommodate certain details as well. So if a Christian baker MUST bake a cake for a gay wedding then a Jew baker MUST bake a cake for a group of folks celebrating Hitler's birthday. Is that what you're saying?

I'm sorry, where was the point where Gays murdered Christians by the millions?

It's a weak analogy that doesn't hold up.

"My Imaginary Friend in the Sky says it's bad" isn't a good reason to discriminate.

 

[jillian]

If gays want two boy dollies on their cake they can go to their local Walmart and buy two boy dollies. Don't force the baker to do something that goes against his conscience. See how easy that is?

if you can't do your job, you should go into another business. your personal prejudices do not allow you to discriminate against people who wish to access your business... not based on race, religion or gender or other things protected constitutionally.

now if they don't have the money to pay for the service you provide, you DO get to say you won't serve them.

otherwise, find another job/business. that goes for bakers, pharmacists, doctors or anyone else offering a public service who wants to use their religion to justify hate.

if a baker said he refused to work for christians, the wingers would be standing in front of the business threatening to shut it down.

Then what you're saying is that Charles Manson can force a baker to bake a cake with an outline of a knife sticking out of Sharon Tate's stomach? The baker must comply?

no. idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

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Then what you're saying is that Charles Manson can force a baker to bake a cake with an outline of a knife sticking out of Sharon Tate's stomach? The baker must comply?

wow, guy, you are really stretching looking for a non-retarded analogy, aren't you?

Gays aren't Nazis and they aren't the manson family.

 

[JoeB131]

Then what you're saying is that Charles Manson can force a baker to bake a cake with an outline of a knife sticking out of Sharon Tate's stomach? The baker must comply?

Any day the Left cannot "force" a business to "comply" with them is like a day without sunshine!

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Um, yeah, liberals have some silly notions like businesses should pay their employees a fair wage and have safe work environments and not pollute the air or the water or not discriminate against their customers on the basis of race, gender or sexual orientation.

Boy, what a bunch of meanies...

 

[jillian]

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stop the fucking arguing, the people quit making cakes rather than serve a couple of qweers..,


end of discussion

who are you again?

last i checked, you don't determine when conversation ends

feel free to let us know when you nut cases stop ranting about gays.

dismissed.

and no one cares how big and what color you rant in.

 

[Mac1958]

if you can't do your job, you should go into another business. your personal prejudices do not allow you to discriminate against people who wish to access your business... not based on race, religion or gender or other things protected constitutionally.

now if they don't have the money to pay for the service you provide, you DO get to say you won't serve them.

otherwise, find another job/business. that goes for bakers, pharmacists, doctors or anyone else offering a public service who wants to use their religion to justify hate.

if a baker said he refused to work for christians, the wingers would be standing in front of the business threatening to shut it down.

Then what you're saying is that Charles Manson can force a baker to bake a cake with an outline of a knife sticking out of Sharon Tate's stomach? The baker must comply?

no. idiot.

What?!

So where, precisely, do you draw the line?

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

If gays want two boy dollies on their cake they can go to their local Walmart and buy two boy dollies. Don't force the baker to do something that goes against his conscience. See how easy that is?

We only see how easy it is for you and most others on the right to maintain your ignorance and hate.

Again, no one is being ‘forced’ to do anything, where public accommodations laws are being appropriately and consistently applied. It’s incumbent upon business owners to know, understand, and comply with the laws as a condition of doing business; they can’t decide to follow some laws and ignore others, just as any other resident of Colorado is expected to follow the law.

 

[DriftingSand]

Then what you're saying is that Charles Manson can force a baker to bake a cake with an outline of a knife sticking out of Sharon Tate's stomach? The baker must comply?

Any day the Left cannot "force" a business to "comply" with them is like a day without sunshine!

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It's pretty amazing. They decry any attempt from the Christian community to try to "force their beliefs" on them then they turn right around and aggressively force their skewed perspective down everyone else's gullet.

Solutions:

1) If someone wants a cake simply order a cake without announcing ones sexual preferences.
2) If a gay person MUST have some sort of decoration on a cake that announces his sexual preference (why is anybody's guess) then either have a gay baker bake the cake or a secular/non-Christian baker make it for him. Or, get a cake from a Christian bake shop and decorate it yourself.
3) Bake your own cake.
4) Have consideration for others' beliefs. If a Christian bake shop is known for baking cakes for Christian occasions with Christian decorations then simply go to another bake shop if you want some non-Christian theme reflected on your cake.

Simple stuff.