Battle of Bakhmud won by Russia

[JohnDB]

So the former Uke official is lying?

By George....he's catching on.....EVERYBODY said you were not as bright as a burnt out lightbulb....but I stuck up for you and said you were at least as bright as a burnt out light bulb.

 

[Silver Cat]

And you wonder why Ukraine doesn't want to be "liberated".

Vatniks suiciding in their holes...

Actually, there was video with ethnic Russian civilians still waiting their Russians brothers even in such hostile environment. There are plenty of people who believes that it's more safe for them to stay in Bakhmut rather then go to Kiev. And, given the nature of the Kievan regime, it might be a right choice.

 

[Silver Cat]

Russia did this....we can talk about the Bombing Russia did fairly recently in Syria.....they leveled a few cities with their bombing campaigns.

Russia suggested them surrender and commit denazification by themselves. They rejected those peaceful proposals. So, the Russians are going to do it in the harder way.

 

[ESay]

Appalling and all easily avoided. Looks remarkably like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia…it’s the American Way.

The American way. Some will add to that the genocide of the Natives, grab wars, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, bombings of German cities, systemic racism, Vietnam etc.

So? What does that mean? Is the US a nation of bastards and the US creation was a mistake of history?

 

[JohnDB]

Russia suggested them surrender and commit denazification by themselves. They rejected those peaceful proposals. So, the Russians are going to do it in the harder way.

So rape, murder, kidnapping, and genocide was the alternative to Russia's offer of "curl up and die or become our slaves"?

Yeah....I don't blame them for the rejection.

 

[gipper]

The American way. Some will add to that the genocide of the Natives, grab wars, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, bombings of German cities, systemic racism, Vietnam etc.

So? What does that mean? Is the US a nation of bastards and the US creation was a mistake of history?

It’s the government. Not the people.

 

[krichton]

Russia suggested them surrender and commit denazification by themselves. They rejected those peaceful proposals. So, the Russians are going to do it in the harder way.

That's what Ukraine is doing right now. They're trying to get rid of all the nazis but there's just so many of them. That's why theyre currently planning a counteroffensive. Hopefully the russians can help them with that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sure, I know. The bombs in 50s were much less effective and much more dirty.

Ah , a half truth.

They were more dirty as a compared to the yield.

But a modern nuclear weapon will create much wider fallout than any of those test shots. In part because of the much higher yield, that will send the radiation higher into the atmosphere. Also in part because it will displace much more material that will become radioactive.

 

[JohnDB]

Russia suggested them surrender and commit denazification by themselves. They rejected those peaceful proposals. So, the Russians are going to do it in the harder way.

What about the Russian Nazis?

Photo running around of a Russian POW with a HUGE nazi tattoo on his back.

Russia needs to clean its own house before worrying about someone else.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What a complete piece of brain dead scum you are...

Oh look, Putin's mommy is getting the vapors.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Maybe it's just me...

But I really like how Zelensky can travel the entire world at will. And does.


But Putin has about 6 choices, if he doesn't want to get arrested.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What about the Russian Nazis?

Photo running around of a Russian POW with a HUGE nazi tattoo on his back.

Russia needs to clean its own house before worrying about someone else.

What about American nazis? We have plenty in our military. Do the Putin loving Americans think he should denazify us next?

 

[krichton]

Fuck off. Your service to the empire is meaningless

Trump agrees, he sees all our fallen soldiers as suckers and losers, just like Putin. This is why those two make such a good team.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The American way. Some will add to that the genocide of the Natives, grab wars, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, bombings of German cities, systemic racism, Vietnam etc.

So? What does that mean? Is the US a nation of bastards and the US creation was a mistake of history?

It’s the government. Not the people.

Nonsense, gipper .

And I would say to ESay : There are not so many “black and white” or “easy” decisions made in politics or history, nor are all our leaders dividable into “good guys” and “bad guys.”

We (North) Americans have been lucky and blessed to have had a New World to conquer and some farsighted “Founding Fathers” and great men like Abraham Lincoln who created and protected a new form of government here. But humans are never perfect and even the best men can only work with tools that are available.

Especially when one speaks of the treatment of Native Americans, but really in most every war the U.S. had been in — (here we can speak of the good as well as the bad) — the American people themselves and American culture were complicit.

Our civic culture, private and later corporate economy, our arrogance, our entrepreneurship regularly reinforced by immigrants, our greed and mad obsessions and our political parties and media were always and still are aspects of the problem.

A deeper look at the history and nature of American capitalism and the development of our “Empire of Freedom” — which Washington once thought we could become, but has usually been just a fancy term for expansion & then imperialism — as well as the often ugly realities of foreign imperialist powers and other nations ruthless economic competition, explains much.

But in the end we ourselves as a nation must take responsibility for our actions, and not just blame “the government” or “the swamp” or “the bankers and moneybags.”

The same is true of course for Russians and for Ukrainian nationalists. Those here who just blame “Nazis” on one side or the other, or the Biden Administration, really are looking at everything in a very superficial way.

 

[Silver Cat]

So rape, murder, kidnapping, and genocide was the alternative to Russia's offer of "curl up and die or become our slaves"?

Yeah....I don't blame them for the rejection.

It's was not about "becoming slaves", it's about equal right for all Ukrainian citizens (including Russian-speakers) and not joining NATO.
Rather generous, humble and acceptable terms.

 

[Silver Cat]

What about the Russian Nazis?

Photo running around of a Russian POW with a HUGE nazi tattoo on his back.

Russia needs to clean its own house before worrying about someone else.

The problem is not in few fools with stupid tattoos. The problem is in the official policy of the state. There is no official "High Council of Den1ggerisation and Delatinisation" here in the USA or in Russia. We both don't forbid "negro music" or any public usage of Spanish or Russian or Ukrainian languages.
During BLM-disorders the government didn't sent unofficial terror battalion and the "trains of friendship" to supress "those f#ckin n-words" by the force and demonstrativelly kill tens/hundreds/thousands of them.
The President of the USA or Russia can't confiscate someone's property without a court decision, and, of course both FBI/CIA and FSB/GRU have no right to execute American/Russian citizens at home .

Here is the difference.

 

[ESay]

It’s the government. Not the people.

How convenient. The government out of thin air.

 

[ESay]

Nonsense, gipper .

And I would say to ESay : There are not so many “black and white” or “easy” decisions made in politics or history, nor are all our leaders dividable into “good guys” and “bad guys.”

We (North) Americans have been lucky and blessed to have had a New World to conquer and some farsighted “Founding Fathers” and great men like Abraham Lincoln who created and protected a new form of government here. But humans are never perfect and even the best men can only work with tools that are available.

Especially when one speaks of the treatment of Native Americans, but really in most every war the U.S. had been in — (here we can speak of the good as well as the bad) — the American people themselves and American culture were complicit.

Our civic culture, private and later corporate economy, our arrogance, our entrepreneurship regularly reinforced by immigrants, our greed and mad obsessions and our political parties and media were always and still are aspects of the problem.

A deeper look at the history and nature of American capitalism and the development of our “Empire of Freedom” — which Washington once thought we could become, but has usually been just a fancy term for expansion & then imperialism — as well as the often ugly realities of foreign imperialist powers and other nations ruthless economic competition, explains much.

But in the end we ourselves as a nation must take responsibility for our actions, and not just blame “the government” or “the swamp” or “the bankers and moneybags.”

The same is true of course for Russians and for Ukrainian nationalists. Those here who just blame “Nazis” on one side or the other, or the Biden Administration, really are looking at everything in a very superficial way.

I am not trying to divide things and people on 'black or white'. The US and the government have been childs of their time. But it should be admit that ideas the US were created upon were 'revolutionary' at the time.

Not sure about your passage with taking responsibility. Do you want to deeply reform the US?

 

[gipper]

How convenient. The government out of thin air.

Yeah because government doesn’t have any power so shouldn’t be held responsible.

 

[gipper]

Nonsense, gipper .

And I would say to ESay : There are not so many “black and white” or “easy” decisions made in politics or history, nor are all our leaders dividable into “good guys” and “bad guys.”

We (North) Americans have been lucky and blessed to have had a New World to conquer and some farsighted “Founding Fathers” and great men like Abraham Lincoln who created and protected a new form of government here. But humans are never perfect and even the best men can only work with tools that are available.

Especially when one speaks of the treatment of Native Americans, but really in most every war the U.S. had been in — (here we can speak of the good as well as the bad) — the American people themselves and American culture were complicit.

Our civic culture, private and later corporate economy, our arrogance, our entrepreneurship regularly reinforced by immigrants, our greed and mad obsessions and our political parties and media were always and still are aspects of the problem.

A deeper look at the history and nature of American capitalism and the development of our “Empire of Freedom” — which Washington once thought we could become, but has usually been just a fancy term for expansion & then imperialism — as well as the often ugly realities of foreign imperialist powers and other nations ruthless economic competition, explains much.

But in the end we ourselves as a nation must take responsibility for our actions, and not just blame “the government” or “the swamp” or “the bankers and moneybags.”

The same is true of course for Russians and for Ukrainian nationalists. Those here who just blame “Nazis” on one side or the other, or the Biden Administration, really are looking at everything in a very superficial way.

No. The people have little power to change things and besides most are brainwashed by the elite who have power.

The elite are at this moment trying to instigate war with China and Russia to keep American hegemony. You can support this if you like. Count me out.