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Ben Carson did research on 17 week fetal tissue

Where's your "credible" proof of PP profiting?
They get the materials given to them and sell these products for a price.
=profit


No. Profit is any income above the expense. They are only allowed to be recompensed for their expense, so where is the profit?

If it's that simple, why hasn't Planned parenthood just issued a cost analysis of the value received vs. the costs of supplying these items?


Planned Parent issues public financial statements. It's your accusation. Why don't you prove it?

Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?
 
There has been two state investigations into PP's dealings and neither one found anything legally wrong.
But some folks are basing their entire opinion on a heavily edited video put out by an anti-abortion group.
Tell me they aren't easily manipulated.

The unedited videos are available on Youtube. More videos to come.

How do we know they are "unedited"?
 
They get the materials given to them and sell these products for a price.
=profit


No. Profit is any income above the expense. They are only allowed to be recompensed for their expense, so where is the profit?

If it's that simple, why hasn't Planned parenthood just issued a cost analysis of the value received vs. the costs of supplying these items?


Planned Parent issues public financial statements. It's your accusation. Why don't you prove it?

Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.
 
There has been two state investigations into PP's dealings and neither one found anything legally wrong.
But some folks are basing their entire opinion on a heavily edited video put out by an anti-abortion group.
Tell me they aren't easily manipulated.

The unedited videos are available on Youtube. More videos to come.

How do we know they are "unedited"?

it usually pretty easy to tell.
 
There has been two state investigations into PP's dealings and neither one found anything legally wrong.
But some folks are basing their entire opinion on a heavily edited video put out by an anti-abortion group.
Tell me they aren't easily manipulated.

The unedited videos are available on Youtube. More videos to come.


The video's discuss the necessary but disconcerting mechanics of tissue donation. It's not very pretty. Ask any doctor about the unholy looking things they do to cadavers in their first year gross anatomy class. It is all necessary and good but it is uncomfortable for the uninvolved.
 
No. Profit is any income above the expense. They are only allowed to be recompensed for their expense, so where is the profit?

If it's that simple, why hasn't Planned parenthood just issued a cost analysis of the value received vs. the costs of supplying these items?


Planned Parent issues public financial statements. It's your accusation. Why don't you prove it?

Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.

Do you have any "credible" proof of all the shit you just spewed? Let's start with "government funds" and "minors being able to get them without at least parental notification"...
 
There has been two state investigations into PP's dealings and neither one found anything legally wrong.
But some folks are basing their entire opinion on a heavily edited video put out by an anti-abortion group.
Tell me they aren't easily manipulated.

The unedited videos are available on Youtube. More videos to come.


The video's discuss the necessary but disconcerting mechanics of tissue donation. It's not very pretty. Ask any doctor about the unholy looking things they do to cadavers in their first year gross anatomy class. It is all necessary and good but it is uncomfortable for the uninvolved.

There is not a sizable portion of the american public that is in favor of protecting Cadavers. And again, you are not answering the main accusations the videos make, i.e. making money off fetus parts, and modifications to the abortion procedure to make harvesting easier, both which are against federal law. Plus you now have the accusations of fetal parts being used without the woman's permission, also a violation of law.

There are no federal laws out there about 1st year med students Ginsu-ing donated cadavers.
 
No. Profit is any income above the expense. They are only allowed to be recompensed for their expense, so where is the profit?

If it's that simple, why hasn't Planned parenthood just issued a cost analysis of the value received vs. the costs of supplying these items?


Planned Parent issues public financial statements. It's your accusation. Why don't you prove it?

Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.


Don't care why you oppose Planned Parenthood. All I care about is the dishonorable tactics you are using. Be honest, and we can discuss where we disagree. Continue with dishonorable right wing lies and accusations, and you're just another crazy teabagger.
 
How can federal funds be used for abortions after all the legislation against it? Anyone got any "credible" proof that it's still being done?
 
If it's that simple, why hasn't Planned parenthood just issued a cost analysis of the value received vs. the costs of supplying these items?


Planned Parent issues public financial statements. It's your accusation. Why don't you prove it?

Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.

Do you have any "credible" proof of all the shit you just spewed? Let's start with "government funds" and "minors being able to get them without at least parental notification"...

They are my view points, what "proof" do I need to give you?

If government money is not used for non-therapeutic abortions, then great, my view is the one that is in fact reality. same for parental notification.

By government funds, I also mean government force, i.e. an insurance company should not be forced to cover non-therapeutic abortions if it doesn't want to. To me it is an elective procedure. If the insurance company wants to cover them? Fine.
 
If it's that simple, why hasn't Planned parenthood just issued a cost analysis of the value received vs. the costs of supplying these items?


Planned Parent issues public financial statements. It's your accusation. Why don't you prove it?

Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.


Don't care why you oppose Planned Parenthood. All I care about is the dishonorable tactics you are using. Be honest, and we can discuss where we disagree. Continue with dishonorable right wing lies and accusations, and you're just another crazy teabagger.

What dishonorable tactics? Are you calling undercover journalism dishonorable all the time? Or just when it is used against something you agree with/support?
 
How can federal funds be used for abortions after all the legislation against it? Anyone got any "credible" proof that it's still being done?

I said "government funds". And if it's not happening, great! I oppose any attempt to do so.
 
Planned Parent issues public financial statements. It's your accusation. Why don't you prove it?

Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.

Do you have any "credible" proof of all the shit you just spewed? Let's start with "government funds" and "minors being able to get them without at least parental notification"...

They are my view points, what "proof" do I need to give you?

If government money is not used for non-therapeutic abortions, then great, my view is the one that is in fact reality. same for parental notification.

By government funds, I also mean government force, i.e. an insurance company should not be forced to cover non-therapeutic abortions if it doesn't want to. To me it is an elective procedure. If the insurance company wants to cover them? Fine.

Holy shit, you're like a shapeshifter.
 
Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.

Do you have any "credible" proof of all the shit you just spewed? Let's start with "government funds" and "minors being able to get them without at least parental notification"...

They are my view points, what "proof" do I need to give you?

If government money is not used for non-therapeutic abortions, then great, my view is the one that is in fact reality. same for parental notification.

By government funds, I also mean government force, i.e. an insurance company should not be forced to cover non-therapeutic abortions if it doesn't want to. To me it is an elective procedure. If the insurance company wants to cover them? Fine.

Holy shit, you're like a shapeshifter.

Actually I far more consistent that you are.
 
Did Ben perform the abortion?

All he did was perform some kind of work on it after the fact. Bush allowed federal dollars for research on existing embryonic cells for stem cell research, did that make him a baby killer?

You nutters need to get a get a grip. Your Dem field is so pathetic, a bunch of old white corrupt socialists. Good luck getting the mouth breathers out to vote.
 
There has been two state investigations into PP's dealings and neither one found anything legally wrong.
But some folks are basing their entire opinion on a heavily edited video put out by an anti-abortion group.
Tell me they aren't easily manipulated.

The unedited videos are available on Youtube. More videos to come.


The video's discuss the necessary but disconcerting mechanics of tissue donation. It's not very pretty. Ask any doctor about the unholy looking things they do to cadavers in their first year gross anatomy class. It is all necessary and good but it is uncomfortable for the uninvolved.

There is not a sizable portion of the american public that is in favor of protecting Cadavers. And again, you are not answering the main accusations the videos make, i.e. making money off fetus parts, and modifications to the abortion procedure to make harvesting easier, both which are against federal law. Plus you now have the accusations of fetal parts being used without the woman's permission, also a violation of law.

There are no federal laws out there about 1st year med students Ginsu-ing donated cadavers.


The video is only making the accusation in a very dishonest way. It presents no proof of any wrong doing, other than the dishonesty of the film maker. You have yet to show any proof of anything. Just a continuous stream of wild accusations. There is a very long list of laws as well as an even longer list of ethical rules concerning the respectful treatment of cadavers. The list of things you know nothing about, yet comment on anyway is getting bigger.
Planned Parent issues public financial statements. It's your accusation. Why don't you prove it?

Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.


Don't care why you oppose Planned Parenthood. All I care about is the dishonorable tactics you are using. Be honest, and we can discuss where we disagree. Continue with dishonorable right wing lies and accusations, and you're just another crazy teabagger.

What dishonorable tactics? Are you calling undercover journalism dishonorable all the time? Or just when it is used against something you agree with/support?


Implying something is other than it actually is, is dishonorable.
 
There has been two state investigations into PP's dealings and neither one found anything legally wrong.
But some folks are basing their entire opinion on a heavily edited video put out by an anti-abortion group.
Tell me they aren't easily manipulated.

The unedited videos are available on Youtube. More videos to come.


The video's discuss the necessary but disconcerting mechanics of tissue donation. It's not very pretty. Ask any doctor about the unholy looking things they do to cadavers in their first year gross anatomy class. It is all necessary and good but it is uncomfortable for the uninvolved.

There is not a sizable portion of the american public that is in favor of protecting Cadavers. And again, you are not answering the main accusations the videos make, i.e. making money off fetus parts, and modifications to the abortion procedure to make harvesting easier, both which are against federal law. Plus you now have the accusations of fetal parts being used without the woman's permission, also a violation of law.

There are no federal laws out there about 1st year med students Ginsu-ing donated cadavers.


The video is only making the accusation in a very dishonest way. It presents no proof of any wrong doing, other than the dishonesty of the film maker. You have yet to show any proof of anything. Just a continuous stream of wild accusations. There is a very long list of laws as well as an even longer list of ethical rules concerning the respectful treatment of cadavers. The list of things you know nothing about, yet comment on anyway is getting bigger.
Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.


Don't care why you oppose Planned Parenthood. All I care about is the dishonorable tactics you are using. Be honest, and we can discuss where we disagree. Continue with dishonorable right wing lies and accusations, and you're just another crazy teabagger.

What dishonorable tactics? Are you calling undercover journalism dishonorable all the time? Or just when it is used against something you agree with/support?


Implying something is other than it actually is, is dishonorable.

So basically cops should not do undercover stings, and no journalist should do undercover exposes? And again, the videos make the accusations, and to me they appear to have some merit. Its the PP people's OWN WORDS being used against them.

And all PP and your side does is attack the packaging, and not the contents.
 
There has been two state investigations into PP's dealings and neither one found anything legally wrong.
But some folks are basing their entire opinion on a heavily edited video put out by an anti-abortion group.
Tell me they aren't easily manipulated.

The unedited videos are available on Youtube. More videos to come.


The video's discuss the necessary but disconcerting mechanics of tissue donation. It's not very pretty. Ask any doctor about the unholy looking things they do to cadavers in their first year gross anatomy class. It is all necessary and good but it is uncomfortable for the uninvolved.

There is not a sizable portion of the american public that is in favor of protecting Cadavers. And again, you are not answering the main accusations the videos make, i.e. making money off fetus parts, and modifications to the abortion procedure to make harvesting easier, both which are against federal law. Plus you now have the accusations of fetal parts being used without the woman's permission, also a violation of law.

There are no federal laws out there about 1st year med students Ginsu-ing donated cadavers.


The video is only making the accusation in a very dishonest way. It presents no proof of any wrong doing, other than the dishonesty of the film maker. You have yet to show any proof of anything. Just a continuous stream of wild accusations. There is a very long list of laws as well as an even longer list of ethical rules concerning the respectful treatment of cadavers. The list of things you know nothing about, yet comment on anyway is getting bigger.
Nice dodge. Public financial statements are macro views of overall finances in a company. They are accused of making money off fetus parts, something that is against federal law. All they need to do is show their compensation covers only their costs, and it all goes away.

Why can't they do that?


All the crazy right wingers have to do is show that PP is doing something illegal and different than every other medical facility in the country that participates in tissue donation.

Why can't they do that?

Another dodge.

Please be aware that when it comes to abortion, I would not vote for a ban on abortions before 20 weeks or so. My opposition is to Roe V Wade as terrible case law, and to non-therapeutic abortions being paid for with government funds. I also have issues with minors being able to get them without at least parental notification.

That being said my main issue with PP and their supporters is their inability to actually answer the accusations. Instead they attack the messenger, and try to strawman the debate by going off topic, and overall dodging.


Don't care why you oppose Planned Parenthood. All I care about is the dishonorable tactics you are using. Be honest, and we can discuss where we disagree. Continue with dishonorable right wing lies and accusations, and you're just another crazy teabagger.

What dishonorable tactics? Are you calling undercover journalism dishonorable all the time? Or just when it is used against something you agree with/support?


Implying something is other than it actually is, is dishonorable.
Cadaver=body=human
=/=fetus
 

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