Biden test-drives an electric Ford pickup truck

[westwall]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

Oh brother----the trucks engine overheats offroad babe-------------bad bad investment as it can't do what other trucks do, can't tow as much, is extremely costly to maintain.

10,000 lb towing, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 sec
Truck owners will grow to love it

The actual towing capabilities are near zero.
Range drops off VERY quickly with any cargo.
Same with use of heater, wipers, headlights, AC, hills, or anything else.
What you have to remember is batteries are very heavy, very slow charge/discharge, and very expensive to replace if you ruin them with quick-charges.
And the energy loss from generating, transmitting, storing, and extracting the energy from the batteries is a huge loss.
The actual amount of energy you have to produce is likely 10 time what you actually get to use at the wheel.
Far more polluting then ICE, especially if the ICE uses bio-fuel, like alcohol or palm oil in a diesel.

I don't know exactly what the loss fact from grid generation to storage loss factor. Looking it up on Google it seems like it can be anywhere from 10% loss to 30%. It is like around 10% when the batteries are new but then they deteriorate to 30% over time.

In other words it takes anywhere from 10-30% more energy to power EVs than if you used the fossil fuels directly.

That is a big Environmental hit right there. We have to generate substantial more energy to keep those EVs on the road. I wonder if the stupid Moon Bats thought about that?

Then you have the Environmental pollution burden of manufacturing, transportation and disposal, which is substantial.

Joe Dufus is a friggin moron pushing that technology but then again remember he was part of an administration that told us Solyndra was the future of America so go figure.

These Moon Bats are idiots listening to the clowns that are pushing this shit.

These stupid trucks will never be used for anything like the gas powered work trucks. It is nothing more than a Moon Bat's wet dream just like all the Environmental Wacko fantasies they have.

Dummy, where do you get nonsense? EVs are many times more efficient with energy because they don't use mini EXPLOSIONS to generate power.

EVs do on energy equivalent of 1 combusted gallon of gasoline, what most ICE cars do on 12.

Look up energy density then get back to us, moron.

I don't need to look up things I already know dummy. Yes, gasoline has high energy density, but what I was responding to was about EV's supposedly using more energy than direct fuel burning. That is pure horseshit.

It's absolutely true. Were it not then EV's would RULE the endurance racing world. They don't. In fact, they don't even participate in endurance racing. Why? Because they don't have the EFFICIENCY of internal combustion engines you idiotic clod!

You clearly have alot of difficulty understanding plain English. What I was responding to had nothing to do with density....and then you also top it off by conflating energy density and energy efficiency.

Just because gasoline is energy dense DOES NOT AT ALL mean that exploding it to produce motion is efficient. It's not, because it produces tons of wasted heat and braking does not return energy.

Today's (still in early developemnt) electric cars get 100-130MPGe. No ICE car can match that efficiency, especially considering how fast EV's are.

Energy density is directly correlational with efficiency. You're not very scientifically literate, are you.

No it doesn't. It's literally how much energy you can get per volume and nothing about how efficiently you use it.

Energy stored in small volume allows lower weight, smaller footprint, better transfer of power to the ground, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Yea...too bad it's so damn inefficient, slow and runs on dirty oil.

A thimble full of gasoline will move a car three miles. An EV needs a battery that weighs 6 pounds to do an equivalent distance. You do the math.

 

[AntonToo]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

Oh brother----the trucks engine overheats offroad babe-------------bad bad investment as it can't do what other trucks do, can't tow as much, is extremely costly to maintain.

10,000 lb towing, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 sec
Truck owners will grow to love it

The actual towing capabilities are near zero.
Range drops off VERY quickly with any cargo.
Same with use of heater, wipers, headlights, AC, hills, or anything else.
What you have to remember is batteries are very heavy, very slow charge/discharge, and very expensive to replace if you ruin them with quick-charges.
And the energy loss from generating, transmitting, storing, and extracting the energy from the batteries is a huge loss.
The actual amount of energy you have to produce is likely 10 time what you actually get to use at the wheel.
Far more polluting then ICE, especially if the ICE uses bio-fuel, like alcohol or palm oil in a diesel.

I don't know exactly what the loss fact from grid generation to storage loss factor. Looking it up on Google it seems like it can be anywhere from 10% loss to 30%. It is like around 10% when the batteries are new but then they deteriorate to 30% over time.

In other words it takes anywhere from 10-30% more energy to power EVs than if you used the fossil fuels directly.

That is a big Environmental hit right there. We have to generate substantial more energy to keep those EVs on the road. I wonder if the stupid Moon Bats thought about that?

Then you have the Environmental pollution burden of manufacturing, transportation and disposal, which is substantial.

Joe Dufus is a friggin moron pushing that technology but then again remember he was part of an administration that told us Solyndra was the future of America so go figure.

These Moon Bats are idiots listening to the clowns that are pushing this shit.

These stupid trucks will never be used for anything like the gas powered work trucks. It is nothing more than a Moon Bat's wet dream just like all the Environmental Wacko fantasies they have.

Dummy, where do you get nonsense? EVs are many times more efficient with energy because they don't use mini EXPLOSIONS to generate power.

EVs do on energy equivalent of 1 combusted gallon of gasoline, what most ICE cars do on 12.

Look up energy density then get back to us, moron.

I don't need to look up things I already know dummy. Yes, gasoline has high energy density, but what I was responding to was about EV's supposedly using more energy than direct fuel burning. That is pure horseshit.

It's absolutely true. Were it not then EV's would RULE the endurance racing world. They don't. In fact, they don't even participate in endurance racing. Why? Because they don't have the EFFICIENCY of internal combustion engines you idiotic clod!

You clearly have alot of difficulty understanding plain English. What I was responding to had nothing to do with density....and then you also top it off by conflating energy density and energy efficiency.

Just because gasoline is energy dense DOES NOT AT ALL mean that exploding it to produce motion is efficient. It's not, because it produces tons of wasted heat and braking does not return energy.

Today's (still in early developemnt) electric cars get 100-130MPGe. No ICE car can match that efficiency, especially considering how fast EV's are.

Energy density is directly correlational with efficiency. You're not very scientifically literate, are you.

No it doesn't. It's literally how much energy you can get per volume and nothing about how efficiently you use it.

Energy stored in small volume allows lower weight, smaller footprint, better transfer of power to the ground, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Yea...too bad it's so damn inefficient, slow and runs on dirty oil.

A thimble full of gasoline will move a car three miles. An EV needs a battery that weighs 6 pounds to do an equivalent distance. You do the math.

You just did the math, it's equivalent dummy, except one did it with out dirty, slow, gasoline.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

I'll stick with my 1992 F-150 4x4 with the 351 Cleveland. Even with the horrible gas mileage I still get more range.

 

[westwall]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

Oh brother----the trucks engine overheats offroad babe-------------bad bad investment as it can't do what other trucks do, can't tow as much, is extremely costly to maintain.

10,000 lb towing, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 sec
Truck owners will grow to love it

The actual towing capabilities are near zero.
Range drops off VERY quickly with any cargo.
Same with use of heater, wipers, headlights, AC, hills, or anything else.
What you have to remember is batteries are very heavy, very slow charge/discharge, and very expensive to replace if you ruin them with quick-charges.
And the energy loss from generating, transmitting, storing, and extracting the energy from the batteries is a huge loss.
The actual amount of energy you have to produce is likely 10 time what you actually get to use at the wheel.
Far more polluting then ICE, especially if the ICE uses bio-fuel, like alcohol or palm oil in a diesel.

I don't know exactly what the loss fact from grid generation to storage loss factor. Looking it up on Google it seems like it can be anywhere from 10% loss to 30%. It is like around 10% when the batteries are new but then they deteriorate to 30% over time.

In other words it takes anywhere from 10-30% more energy to power EVs than if you used the fossil fuels directly.

That is a big Environmental hit right there. We have to generate substantial more energy to keep those EVs on the road. I wonder if the stupid Moon Bats thought about that?

Then you have the Environmental pollution burden of manufacturing, transportation and disposal, which is substantial.

Joe Dufus is a friggin moron pushing that technology but then again remember he was part of an administration that told us Solyndra was the future of America so go figure.

These Moon Bats are idiots listening to the clowns that are pushing this shit.

These stupid trucks will never be used for anything like the gas powered work trucks. It is nothing more than a Moon Bat's wet dream just like all the Environmental Wacko fantasies they have.

Dummy, where do you get nonsense? EVs are many times more efficient with energy because they don't use mini EXPLOSIONS to generate power.

EVs do on energy equivalent of 1 combusted gallon of gasoline, what most ICE cars do on 12.

Look up energy density then get back to us, moron.

I don't need to look up things I already know dummy. Yes, gasoline has high energy density, but what I was responding to was about EV's supposedly using more energy than direct fuel burning. That is pure horseshit.

It's absolutely true. Were it not then EV's would RULE the endurance racing world. They don't. In fact, they don't even participate in endurance racing. Why? Because they don't have the EFFICIENCY of internal combustion engines you idiotic clod!

You clearly have alot of difficulty understanding plain English. What I was responding to had nothing to do with density....and then you also top it off by conflating energy density and energy efficiency.

Just because gasoline is energy dense DOES NOT AT ALL mean that exploding it to produce motion is efficient. It's not, because it produces tons of wasted heat and braking does not return energy.

Today's (still in early developemnt) electric cars get 100-130MPGe. No ICE car can match that efficiency, especially considering how fast EV's are.

Energy density is directly correlational with efficiency. You're not very scientifically literate, are you.

No it doesn't. It's literally how much energy you can get per volume and nothing about how efficiently you use it.

Energy stored in small volume allows lower weight, smaller footprint, better transfer of power to the ground, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Yea...too bad it's so damn inefficient, slow and runs on dirty oil.

A thimble full of gasoline will move a car three miles. An EV needs a battery that weighs 6 pounds to do an equivalent distance. You do the math.

You just did the math, it's equivalent dummy, except one did it with out dirty, slow, gasoline.

What about the dirty slow process to rip the Li from the ground.

Why do you ignore that?


And no, 1 ounce is not the equivalent of 6 pounds.

Where did you go to school.

A barn?

 

[rightwinger]

from the angle of that picture

OK lets try this angle from Reuters.
Show me the second steering wheel that only you can see.
View attachment 491779
View attachment 491782

Give it up

Even if you convince them there was only one steering wheel, they will just claim it is a remote control truck

 

[krichton]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

$70,000 plus and it can't even tow a 3rd wheel RV or a horse trailer especially off road where the engine is known to overheat?

Ford made a video of the F-150 ev towing 1.25 million pounds, going a thousand feet at around 5mph.

 

[AntonToo]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

Oh brother----the trucks engine overheats offroad babe-------------bad bad investment as it can't do what other trucks do, can't tow as much, is extremely costly to maintain.

10,000 lb towing, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 sec
Truck owners will grow to love it

The actual towing capabilities are near zero.
Range drops off VERY quickly with any cargo.
Same with use of heater, wipers, headlights, AC, hills, or anything else.
What you have to remember is batteries are very heavy, very slow charge/discharge, and very expensive to replace if you ruin them with quick-charges.
And the energy loss from generating, transmitting, storing, and extracting the energy from the batteries is a huge loss.
The actual amount of energy you have to produce is likely 10 time what you actually get to use at the wheel.
Far more polluting then ICE, especially if the ICE uses bio-fuel, like alcohol or palm oil in a diesel.

I don't know exactly what the loss fact from grid generation to storage loss factor. Looking it up on Google it seems like it can be anywhere from 10% loss to 30%. It is like around 10% when the batteries are new but then they deteriorate to 30% over time.

In other words it takes anywhere from 10-30% more energy to power EVs than if you used the fossil fuels directly.

That is a big Environmental hit right there. We have to generate substantial more energy to keep those EVs on the road. I wonder if the stupid Moon Bats thought about that?

Then you have the Environmental pollution burden of manufacturing, transportation and disposal, which is substantial.

Joe Dufus is a friggin moron pushing that technology but then again remember he was part of an administration that told us Solyndra was the future of America so go figure.

These Moon Bats are idiots listening to the clowns that are pushing this shit.

These stupid trucks will never be used for anything like the gas powered work trucks. It is nothing more than a Moon Bat's wet dream just like all the Environmental Wacko fantasies they have.

Dummy, where do you get nonsense? EVs are many times more efficient with energy because they don't use mini EXPLOSIONS to generate power.

EVs do on energy equivalent of 1 combusted gallon of gasoline, what most ICE cars do on 12.

Look up energy density then get back to us, moron.

I don't need to look up things I already know dummy. Yes, gasoline has high energy density, but what I was responding to was about EV's supposedly using more energy than direct fuel burning. That is pure horseshit.

It's absolutely true. Were it not then EV's would RULE the endurance racing world. They don't. In fact, they don't even participate in endurance racing. Why? Because they don't have the EFFICIENCY of internal combustion engines you idiotic clod!

You clearly have alot of difficulty understanding plain English. What I was responding to had nothing to do with density....and then you also top it off by conflating energy density and energy efficiency.

Just because gasoline is energy dense DOES NOT AT ALL mean that exploding it to produce motion is efficient. It's not, because it produces tons of wasted heat and braking does not return energy.

Today's (still in early developemnt) electric cars get 100-130MPGe. No ICE car can match that efficiency, especially considering how fast EV's are.

Energy density is directly correlational with efficiency. You're not very scientifically literate, are you.

No it doesn't. It's literally how much energy you can get per volume and nothing about how efficiently you use it.

Energy stored in small volume allows lower weight, smaller footprint, better transfer of power to the ground, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Yea...too bad it's so damn inefficient, slow and runs on dirty oil.

A thimble full of gasoline will move a car three miles. An EV needs a battery that weighs 6 pounds to do an equivalent distance. You do the math.

You just did the math, it's equivalent dummy, except one did it with out dirty, slow, gasoline.

What about the dirty slow process to rip the Li from the ground.

Why do you ignore that?


And no, 1 ounce is not the equivalent of 6 pounds.

Where did you go to school.

A barn?

LI that will serve 300-500k miles as an EV battery component and then be recycled into a new one? Sounds good to me.

And dumbass, it doesn't matter that the battery is heavier, because it's purpose is TO DRIVE, and as you said yourself they drove the same distance. Extra weight is not a serious downside factor with that massive EV power, unless you are talking about racing a tight track.

if you weren't so damn stupid you would argue REAL ev downsides currently - expense and charging time for extended trips along with scarcity of fast charging locations.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

$70,000 plus and it can't even tow a 3rd wheel RV or a horse trailer especially off road where the engine is known to overheat?

Ford made a video of the F-150 ev towing 1.25 million pounds, going a thousand feet at around 5mph.

Flat road-------it has issues towing off road where you know Farmers/Ranchers/RV and others tow tend to tow. Two, being able to tow it for short distances after the vehicle has specially been modified does not mean that the fords that they are producing for sale will be able to do so and 3) towing the max that vehicle can (not should) causes massive damage to the vehicle. In the electric vehicles cases specifically----doing so kills the engines.

 

[edthecynic]

from the angle of that picture

OK lets try this angle from Reuters.
Show me the second steering wheel that only you can see.
View attachment 491779
View attachment 491782

Give it up

Even if you convince them there was only one steering wheel, they will just claim it is a remote control truck

They already did in another thread.

 

[Flash]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

Oh brother----the trucks engine overheats offroad babe-------------bad bad investment as it can't do what other trucks do, can't tow as much, is extremely costly to maintain.

10,000 lb towing, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 sec
Truck owners will grow to love it

The actual towing capabilities are near zero.
Range drops off VERY quickly with any cargo.
Same with use of heater, wipers, headlights, AC, hills, or anything else.
What you have to remember is batteries are very heavy, very slow charge/discharge, and very expensive to replace if you ruin them with quick-charges.
And the energy loss from generating, transmitting, storing, and extracting the energy from the batteries is a huge loss.
The actual amount of energy you have to produce is likely 10 time what you actually get to use at the wheel.
Far more polluting then ICE, especially if the ICE uses bio-fuel, like alcohol or palm oil in a diesel.

I don't know exactly what the loss fact from grid generation to storage loss factor. Looking it up on Google it seems like it can be anywhere from 10% loss to 30%. It is like around 10% when the batteries are new but then they deteriorate to 30% over time.

In other words it takes anywhere from 10-30% more energy to power EVs than if you used the fossil fuels directly.

That is a big Environmental hit right there. We have to generate substantial more energy to keep those EVs on the road. I wonder if the stupid Moon Bats thought about that?

Then you have the Environmental pollution burden of manufacturing, transportation and disposal, which is substantial.

Joe Dufus is a friggin moron pushing that technology but then again remember he was part of an administration that told us Solyndra was the future of America so go figure.

These Moon Bats are idiots listening to the clowns that are pushing this shit.

These stupid trucks will never be used for anything like the gas powered work trucks. It is nothing more than a Moon Bat's wet dream just like all the Environmental Wacko fantasies they have.

Dummy, where do you get nonsense? EVs are many times more efficient with energy because they don't use mini EXPLOSIONS to generate power.

EVs do on energy equivalent of 1 combusted gallon of gasoline, what most ICE cars do on 12.

Look up energy density then get back to us, moron.

I don't need to look up things I already know dummy. Yes, gasoline has high energy density, but what I was responding to was about EV's supposedly using more energy than direct fuel burning. That is pure horseshit.

It's absolutely true. Were it not then EV's would RULE the endurance racing world. They don't. In fact, they don't even participate in endurance racing. Why? Because they don't have the EFFICIENCY of internal combustion engines you idiotic clod!

You clearly have alot of difficulty understanding plain English. What I was responding to had nothing to do with density....and then you also top it off by conflating energy density and energy efficiency.

Just because gasoline is energy dense DOES NOT AT ALL mean that exploding it to produce motion is efficient. It's not, because it produces tons of wasted heat and braking does not return energy.

Today's (still in early developemnt) electric cars get 100-130MPGe. No ICE car can match that efficiency, especially considering how fast EV's are.

Energy density is directly correlational with efficiency. You're not very scientifically literate, are you.

No it doesn't. It's literally how much energy you can get per volume and nothing about how efficiently you use it.

Energy stored in small volume allows lower weight, smaller footprint, better transfer of power to the ground, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Yea...too bad it's so damn inefficient, slow and runs on dirty oil.

A thimble full of gasoline will move a car three miles. An EV needs a battery that weighs 6 pounds to do an equivalent distance. You do the math.

You just did the math, it's equivalent dummy, except one did it with out dirty, slow, gasoline.

What about the dirty slow process to rip the Li from the ground.

Why do you ignore that?


And no, 1 ounce is not the equivalent of 6 pounds.

Where did you go to school.

A barn?

LI that will serve 300-500k miles as an EV battery component and then be recycled into a new one? Sounds good to me.

And dumbass, it doesn't matter that the battery is heavier, because it's purpose is TO DRIVE, and as you said yourself they drove the same distance. Extra weight is not a serious downside factor with that massive EV power, unless you are talking about racing a tight track.

if you weren't so damn stupid you would argue REAL ev downsides currently - expense and charging time for extended trips along with scarcity of fast charging locations.

You are confused Moon Bat.

That 300-500 miles is only for the very expensive top of the line Tesla batteries. That is why their vehicles are so expensive. Most Americans cannot afford those batteries. Ford and GM will not be using those battery packs in their vehicles.

The batteries that Americans will get in the vehicles that most of them can afford will be good for about 500 recharging. Two to three years before they will deteriorate and lose around 30% of their efficiency.

Battery cars are a dumb idea. Something only stupid Libtards would come up with.

 

[rightwinger]

Battery cars are a dumb idea. Something only stupid Libtards would come up with.

GM is going 100 percent electric by 2030


They don’t think it is dumb

 

[Blues Man]

Battery cars are a dumb idea. Something only stupid Libtards would come up with.

GM is going 100 percent electric by 2030


They don’t think it is dumb

No they won't.

They say they will but they won't

Why would they give up on 97.8% of the global market ?

 

[westwall]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

Oh brother----the trucks engine overheats offroad babe-------------bad bad investment as it can't do what other trucks do, can't tow as much, is extremely costly to maintain.

10,000 lb towing, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 sec
Truck owners will grow to love it

The actual towing capabilities are near zero.
Range drops off VERY quickly with any cargo.
Same with use of heater, wipers, headlights, AC, hills, or anything else.
What you have to remember is batteries are very heavy, very slow charge/discharge, and very expensive to replace if you ruin them with quick-charges.
And the energy loss from generating, transmitting, storing, and extracting the energy from the batteries is a huge loss.
The actual amount of energy you have to produce is likely 10 time what you actually get to use at the wheel.
Far more polluting then ICE, especially if the ICE uses bio-fuel, like alcohol or palm oil in a diesel.

I don't know exactly what the loss fact from grid generation to storage loss factor. Looking it up on Google it seems like it can be anywhere from 10% loss to 30%. It is like around 10% when the batteries are new but then they deteriorate to 30% over time.

In other words it takes anywhere from 10-30% more energy to power EVs than if you used the fossil fuels directly.

That is a big Environmental hit right there. We have to generate substantial more energy to keep those EVs on the road. I wonder if the stupid Moon Bats thought about that?

Then you have the Environmental pollution burden of manufacturing, transportation and disposal, which is substantial.

Joe Dufus is a friggin moron pushing that technology but then again remember he was part of an administration that told us Solyndra was the future of America so go figure.

These Moon Bats are idiots listening to the clowns that are pushing this shit.

These stupid trucks will never be used for anything like the gas powered work trucks. It is nothing more than a Moon Bat's wet dream just like all the Environmental Wacko fantasies they have.

Dummy, where do you get nonsense? EVs are many times more efficient with energy because they don't use mini EXPLOSIONS to generate power.

EVs do on energy equivalent of 1 combusted gallon of gasoline, what most ICE cars do on 12.

Look up energy density then get back to us, moron.

I don't need to look up things I already know dummy. Yes, gasoline has high energy density, but what I was responding to was about EV's supposedly using more energy than direct fuel burning. That is pure horseshit.

It's absolutely true. Were it not then EV's would RULE the endurance racing world. They don't. In fact, they don't even participate in endurance racing. Why? Because they don't have the EFFICIENCY of internal combustion engines you idiotic clod!

You clearly have alot of difficulty understanding plain English. What I was responding to had nothing to do with density....and then you also top it off by conflating energy density and energy efficiency.

Just because gasoline is energy dense DOES NOT AT ALL mean that exploding it to produce motion is efficient. It's not, because it produces tons of wasted heat and braking does not return energy.

Today's (still in early developemnt) electric cars get 100-130MPGe. No ICE car can match that efficiency, especially considering how fast EV's are.

Energy density is directly correlational with efficiency. You're not very scientifically literate, are you.

No it doesn't. It's literally how much energy you can get per volume and nothing about how efficiently you use it.

Energy stored in small volume allows lower weight, smaller footprint, better transfer of power to the ground, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Yea...too bad it's so damn inefficient, slow and runs on dirty oil.

A thimble full of gasoline will move a car three miles. An EV needs a battery that weighs 6 pounds to do an equivalent distance. You do the math.

You just did the math, it's equivalent dummy, except one did it with out dirty, slow, gasoline.

What about the dirty slow process to rip the Li from the ground.

Why do you ignore that?


And no, 1 ounce is not the equivalent of 6 pounds.

Where did you go to school.

A barn?

LI that will serve 300-500k miles as an EV battery component and then be recycled into a new one? Sounds good to me.

And dumbass, it doesn't matter that the battery is heavier, because it's purpose is TO DRIVE, and as you said yourself they drove the same distance. Extra weight is not a serious downside factor with that massive EV power, unless you are talking about racing a tight track.

if you weren't so damn stupid you would argue REAL ev downsides currently - expense and charging time for extended trips along with scarcity of fast charging locations.

Tesla rates their battery life at under 200,000 miles. Where do you pull your magical numbers from?

 

[Flash]

Impressive truck
Fast and powerful


Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. If it goes electric.......Electric cars have arrived
There is no going back

From a Ford fan & previous owner of many F-150s, they're great rigs but way too expensive. Ram convinced me to switch to Dodge and I'm super glad I did.

I think truck owners will flock to the electric F-150

500 plus HP, massive torque, 10,000 towing capacity and wicked fast.
If you are a contractor, you drive your truck to the site and it will power all your power tools
If there is a blackout, you can power your house for days

Game changer

You forgot 300mile range and eF150 being able to power your home for three days.

Also the cost is not prohibitive.
The truck offers so much more capability, it will be in demand

Oh brother----the trucks engine overheats offroad babe-------------bad bad investment as it can't do what other trucks do, can't tow as much, is extremely costly to maintain.

10,000 lb towing, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 sec
Truck owners will grow to love it

The actual towing capabilities are near zero.
Range drops off VERY quickly with any cargo.
Same with use of heater, wipers, headlights, AC, hills, or anything else.
What you have to remember is batteries are very heavy, very slow charge/discharge, and very expensive to replace if you ruin them with quick-charges.
And the energy loss from generating, transmitting, storing, and extracting the energy from the batteries is a huge loss.
The actual amount of energy you have to produce is likely 10 time what you actually get to use at the wheel.
Far more polluting then ICE, especially if the ICE uses bio-fuel, like alcohol or palm oil in a diesel.

I don't know exactly what the loss fact from grid generation to storage loss factor. Looking it up on Google it seems like it can be anywhere from 10% loss to 30%. It is like around 10% when the batteries are new but then they deteriorate to 30% over time.

In other words it takes anywhere from 10-30% more energy to power EVs than if you used the fossil fuels directly.

That is a big Environmental hit right there. We have to generate substantial more energy to keep those EVs on the road. I wonder if the stupid Moon Bats thought about that?

Then you have the Environmental pollution burden of manufacturing, transportation and disposal, which is substantial.

Joe Dufus is a friggin moron pushing that technology but then again remember he was part of an administration that told us Solyndra was the future of America so go figure.

These Moon Bats are idiots listening to the clowns that are pushing this shit.

These stupid trucks will never be used for anything like the gas powered work trucks. It is nothing more than a Moon Bat's wet dream just like all the Environmental Wacko fantasies they have.

Dummy, where do you get nonsense? EVs are many times more efficient with energy because they don't use mini EXPLOSIONS to generate power.

EVs do on energy equivalent of 1 combusted gallon of gasoline, what most ICE cars do on 12.

Look up energy density then get back to us, moron.

I don't need to look up things I already know dummy. Yes, gasoline has high energy density, but what I was responding to was about EV's supposedly using more energy than direct fuel burning. That is pure horseshit.

It's absolutely true. Were it not then EV's would RULE the endurance racing world. They don't. In fact, they don't even participate in endurance racing. Why? Because they don't have the EFFICIENCY of internal combustion engines you idiotic clod!

You clearly have alot of difficulty understanding plain English. What I was responding to had nothing to do with density....and then you also top it off by conflating energy density and energy efficiency.

Just because gasoline is energy dense DOES NOT AT ALL mean that exploding it to produce motion is efficient. It's not, because it produces tons of wasted heat and braking does not return energy.

Today's (still in early developemnt) electric cars get 100-130MPGe. No ICE car can match that efficiency, especially considering how fast EV's are.

Energy density is directly correlational with efficiency. You're not very scientifically literate, are you.

No it doesn't. It's literally how much energy you can get per volume and nothing about how efficiently you use it.

Energy stored in small volume allows lower weight, smaller footprint, better transfer of power to the ground, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Yea...too bad it's so damn inefficient, slow and runs on dirty oil.

A thimble full of gasoline will move a car three miles. An EV needs a battery that weighs 6 pounds to do an equivalent distance. You do the math.

You just did the math, it's equivalent dummy, except one did it with out dirty, slow, gasoline.

What about the dirty slow process to rip the Li from the ground.

Why do you ignore that?


And no, 1 ounce is not the equivalent of 6 pounds.

Where did you go to school.

A barn?

LI that will serve 300-500k miles as an EV battery component and then be recycled into a new one? Sounds good to me.

And dumbass, it doesn't matter that the battery is heavier, because it's purpose is TO DRIVE, and as you said yourself they drove the same distance. Extra weight is not a serious downside factor with that massive EV power, unless you are talking about racing a tight track.

if you weren't so damn stupid you would argue REAL ev downsides currently - expense and charging time for extended trips along with scarcity of fast charging locations.

Tesla rates their battery life at under 200,000 miles. Where do you pull your magical numbers from?

His ass?

 

[rightwinger]

Battery cars are a dumb idea. Something only stupid Libtards would come up with.

GM is going 100 percent electric by 2030


They don’t think it is dumb

No they won't.

They say they will but they won't

Why would they give up on 97.8% of the global market ?

They see the future of their industry
You don‘t

 

[Blues Man]

Battery cars are a dumb idea. Something only stupid Libtards would come up with.

GM is going 100 percent electric by 2030


They don’t think it is dumb

No they won't.

They say they will but they won't

Why would they give up on 97.8% of the global market ?

They see the future of their industry
You don‘t

I do though but unlike you I am also a realist and know that it's fucking stupid to shitcan 98% of your own market to concentrate on 2%

The only thing that is going to happen in the next 9 years is that GM will make more EVs but there is no fucking way they will be 100% EV by 2030

 

[Flash]

My older son lives in an affluent North Atlanta suburb. Not wealthy but successful professionals.

The status thing is to buy a $70K Tesla. They drive them for two or three years and then trade them in. It usually cost an additional $1-1.5K just to get the charging station installed in their garages.

They can't go on long trips with the stupid car but hey, they look cool sitting in commuter traffic on I-75.

 

[westwall]

Battery cars are a dumb idea. Something only stupid Libtards would come up with.

GM is going 100 percent electric by 2030


They don’t think it is dumb

No they won't.

They say they will but they won't

Why would they give up on 97.8% of the global market ?

They see the future of their industry
You don‘t

No, they see more and more government control. That's what fascism is. They, like their German for runners think they can buy the beast off.

Didn't work for the German corporations, and it won't work for GM.

 

[candycorn]

OHHHHSHIT!!!

It wasn't even Biden who drove the truck! That prototype had two steering wheels and a Secret Service agent was driving it.


OMFGWTF??? What a fucking fraud of a "President"

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Compare that to Trump pretending to drive a truck

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Is this the best you got Right to try draw attention away from the FRAUD absolute fucking FRAUDULENT claims of Biden being able to drive, along with that whole gaggle of lib media seen in the video oohing and awing over inept Biden pretending to drive and pushing the lib lie that biden was driving when they had to have seen the second steering wheel?
What the FUCK is wrong with you people and the lib media hos pushing these lies and frauds?

More attempts by conservatives to spread lies about Biden. Hundreds of people were there and it was on video. Biden not only drove, but put the truck through its paces on a test track. He accelerated from 0-60 and drove at high speeds.

Then there is Trump

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The only vehicle he can fit in.

 

[Flash]

This is a real Ford Lightning

This is a Foggotmobile. That moron Joe Dufus was riding around in the Faggotmobile the other day.