Eloy
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The Israelis would like that....
At some point in time, it will become apparent to everyone that they must back-off of Israel and allow the sraelis to break the ability and will of the Hostile Arab Palestinian ...
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The Israelis would like that....
At some point in time, it will become apparent to everyone that they must back-off of Israel and allow the sraelis to break the ability and will of the Hostile Arab Palestinian ...
That is from the US installed, illegal government.
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What products are we supposed to support or boycott from Israel ?
The Israelis would like that....
At some point in time, it will become apparent to everyone that they must back-off of Israel and allow the sraelis to break the ability and will of the Hostile Arab Palestinian ...
Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
But it would not be a just peace.Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
Well. Um. Yes. That would be the definition of peace, you know.
I hope that's the truth for all of themThe Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
But it would not be a just peace.
Simply put, the occupation which denies the Palestinians the right to self-determination in their own land justifies resistance. You cannot expect true peace that is maintained by the barrel of an occupier's gun.But it would not be a just peace.
Why would BOTH peoples having self-determination on part of the territory NOT be a just peace?
(COMMENT)But it would not be a just peace.Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
Well. Um. Yes. That would be the definition of peace, you know.
Eloy, et al,
It is not the case that you can categorize "PEACE" as either --- juste --- or ---unjust. IF the parties to a conflict become committed to a beneficial "peace" amiable conditions --- THEN the state of the being is in balance reality absent "war." IF the "peace" is not beneficial and amiable to both sides, induced by whatever the means --- THEN it is NOT (a true) "peace" but the suppression of "conflict" (War).
It is a queer but true impression that sometimes, an induced suppression may conflict (at a distance) appear to be "peace."
It is a mistaken and simplistic view that the absence of "conflict" is "peace."
(COMMENT)But it would not be a just peace.Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
Well. Um. Yes. That would be the definition of peace, you know.
The phrase: "a just peace" is political misdirection, no different than the tradecraft of Harry Houdini and the illusions performed on stage and screen; a cosmetic effect. (Looks like, sounds like, acts like peace, yet has all the subsurface components for war.) This why you very often hear competent statesmen refer to the "maintenance of peace." "Peace" implies much more than merely the absence of conflict.
You have "just causes" for conflict or "unprovoked aggression." Notice I did not say an "unjust cause." "Peace" act like (in reality) the sand in an hourglass. The reasons for Peace gradually dissipate away until hostilities brea-out.
Most Respectfully,
R
But it would not be a just peace.Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
Well. Um. Yes. That would be the definition of peace, you know.
Eloy, et al,
It is not the case that you can categorize "PEACE" as either --- juste --- or ---unjust. IF the parties to a conflict become committed to a beneficial "peace" amiable conditions --- THEN the state of the being is in balance reality absent "war." IF the "peace" is not beneficial and amiable to both sides, induced by whatever the means --- THEN it is NOT (a true) "peace" but the suppression of "conflict" (War).
It is a queer but true impression that sometimes, an induced suppression may conflict (at a distance) appear to be "peace."
It is a mistaken and simplistic view that the absence of "conflict" is "peace."
(COMMENT)But it would not be a just peace.Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
Well. Um. Yes. That would be the definition of peace, you know.
The phrase: "a just peace" is political misdirection, no different than the tradecraft of Harry Houdini and the illusions performed on stage and screen; a cosmetic effect. (Looks like, sounds like, acts like peace, yet has all the subsurface components for war.) This why you very often hear competent statesmen refer to the "maintenance of peace." "Peace" implies much more than merely the absence of conflict.
You have "just causes" for conflict or "unprovoked aggression." Notice I did not say an "unjust cause." "Peace" act like (in reality) the sand in an hourglass. The reasons for Peace gradually dissipate away until hostilities brea-out.
Most Respectfully,
RIt is a mistaken and simplistic view that the absence of "conflict" is "peace."
Indeed, peace is not the absence of conflict, it is the presence of justice.
You will never hear rights, justice, or international law cross the lips of any of those phonies in the so called peace process.
Eloy, et al,
It is not the case that you can categorize "PEACE" as either --- juste --- or ---unjust. IF the parties to a conflict become committed to a beneficial "peace" amiable conditions --- THEN the state of the being is in balance reality absent "war." IF the "peace" is not beneficial and amiable to both sides, induced by whatever the means --- THEN it is NOT (a true) "peace" but the suppression of "conflict" (War).
It is a queer but true impression that sometimes, an induced suppression may conflict (at a distance) appear to be "peace."
It is a mistaken and simplistic view that the absence of "conflict" is "peace."
(COMMENT)But it would not be a just peace.Only on the condition that the Palestinians stop resisting occupation.The Israelis would like very much to live in peace with their neighbors.
Well. Um. Yes. That would be the definition of peace, you know.
The phrase: "a just peace" is political misdirection, no different than the tradecraft of Harry Houdini and the illusions performed on stage and screen; a cosmetic effect. (Looks like, sounds like, acts like peace, yet has all the subsurface components for war.) This why you very often hear competent statesmen refer to the "maintenance of peace." "Peace" implies much more than merely the absence of conflict.
You have "just causes" for conflict or "unprovoked aggression." Notice I did not say an "unjust cause." "Peace" act like (in reality) the sand in an hourglass. The reasons for Peace gradually dissipate away until hostilities brea-out.
Most Respectfully,
RIt is a mistaken and simplistic view that the absence of "conflict" is "peace."
Indeed, peace is not the absence of conflict, it is the presence of justice.
You will never hear rights, justice, or international law cross the lips of any of those phonies in the so called peace process.
Oh, great, another Arab Butt Buddy...Simply put, the occupation which denies the Palestinians the right to self-determination in their own land justifies resistance. You cannot expect true peace that is maintained by the barrel of an occupier's gun.But it would not be a just peace.
Why would BOTH peoples having self-determination on part of the territory NOT be a just peace?
(COMMENT)Indeed, peace is not the absence of conflict, it is the presence of justice.RoccoR said:It is a mistaken and simplistic view that the absence of "conflict" is "peace."
You will never hear rights, justice, or international law cross the lips of any of those phonies in the so called peace process.
I don't see how such simplistic and romanticized slogans are at all helpful.Simply put, the occupation which denies the Palestinians the right to self-determination in their own land justifies resistance. You cannot expect true peace that is maintained by the barrel of an occupier's gun.But it would not be a just peace.
Why would BOTH peoples having self-determination on part of the territory NOT be a just peace?