Boycott Israel

[Challenger]

The old gang back there sent you another video, Tinmore??? You must have quite a cache by now.

Boycott-Israel Movement Tainted by Ties to Terrorists, Researchers Find

"Researchers" tainted by Zionist funding.

"The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) is a neoconservative advocacy organization that was founded in the wake of the 9/11 attacks with the goal of pushing an aggressive “war on terror” in the Middle East and “pro-Israel” policies in Washington"

"FDD grew out of a right-wing pro-Israel initiative launched in early 2001 called EMET. Reports Slate: “On April 24, 2001, three major pro-Israel donors incorporated an organization called EMET (Hebrew for ‘truth’). In an application to the Internal Revenue Service for tax-exempt status, [FDD president Clifford May] explained that the group ‘was to provide education to enhance Israel’s image in North America and the public’s understanding of issues affecting Israeli-Arab relations.’”

"Another core FDD preoccupation is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, about which the organization promotes views similar to those of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party."

Foundation for Defense of Democracies - Right Web - Institute for Policy Studies

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinian talking points and islamonazi propaganda LIES

 

[Phoenall]

They, like many, conflate anti-Zionism with criticism of Israel.

Indeed, not to bright, huh.

They are just desperate to shut down talk about Palestinian rights.

So you say......................

 

[Phoenall]

Do the Jewish people have the right to self-determination? No, no they do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to self-determination in the form of self-government (a State). No, no they do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to sovereign self-determination defined by international boundaries? They do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to peace and security? No, they do not.

Does a religious group have the right to self-determination? Not necessarily, they need to first be the people of the place not settler colonists.
Does a religious group have the right to self-determination in the form of self-government (a State). No, no they do not.
Does a religious group have the right to sovereign self-determination defined by international boundaries? They do not.
Does a religious group have the right to peace and security? Yes, yes they do, just like everybody else, but when that religious group occupies, disposesses and oppresses an indigenous people, they shouldn't be surprised if that people resist.

So that is the arab muslims out of palestine

So that is the arab muslims out of palestine

So that is the arab muslims out of palestine

So that is the arab muslims out of palestine

And seeing as the arab muslims have tried occupy , disposses and oppress the indigenous Jews of palestine since the 7C they shouldnt be surprised that people resist

 

[Phoenall]

Now, what happens if we acknowledge that both peoples have rights and that the rights of both peoples must be protected? How would we frame that conversation? How would we ensure that the rights of both peoples are able to be exercised?

The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to self-determination.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to a State.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to a territory.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to peace and security.

Do you see how that fundamentally changes the conversation?

Who should have a State? Well, both of them obviously.
Who should have a sovereign territory? Well, both of them.
Who should have peace and security? Both of them.

See, the granting of rights to one peoples does not actually remove them from another. Who should be permitted to access the Holy Places? Both of them obviously. Is that possible? Of course it is. Who should have territory? Well, both of them. Is that possible? Of course it is. Just draw a line. People are already living where they are living. (You could always use a little parenting trick -- have one child make the cut and the other child choose the piece they want.) Who should have peace and security? Both. No more resisting. This is not hard.

The problem is that Team Palestine constantly frames the conflict in such a way that the Jewish people's rights must be restricted, removed, retracted or refused. And that, my friends, is why anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

This argues from a false premise, that one set is a people and not a religious group.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE A RELIGIOUS GROUP, WOULD YOU CALL A GROUP THAT DETERMINES ITS POLITICS ALONG PURELY RELIGIOUS LINES AND ARE RECENT ARRIVALS AFTER A 1000 YEAR ABSENCE A PEOPLE ?

 

[Phoenall]

The old gang back there sent you another video, Tinmore??? You must have quite a cache by now.

Boycott-Israel Movement Tainted by Ties to Terrorists, Researchers Find

"Researchers" tainted by Zionist funding.

"The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) is a neoconservative advocacy organization that was founded in the wake of the 9/11 attacks with the goal of pushing an aggressive “war on terror” in the Middle East and “pro-Israel” policies in Washington"

"FDD grew out of a right-wing pro-Israel initiative launched in early 2001 called EMET. Reports Slate: “On April 24, 2001, three major pro-Israel donors incorporated an organization called EMET (Hebrew for ‘truth’). In an application to the Internal Revenue Service for tax-exempt status, [FDD president Clifford May] explained that the group ‘was to provide education to enhance Israel’s image in North America and the public’s understanding of issues affecting Israeli-Arab relations.’”

"Another core FDD preoccupation is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, about which the organization promotes views similar to those of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party."

Foundation for Defense of Democracies - Right Web - Institute for Policy Studies

No more or less than "Researchers" tainted by neo marxist funding, islamonazi funding, neo nazi funding and white supremacist funding

 

[Shusha]

Do the Jewish people have the right to self-determination? No, no they do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to self-determination in the form of self-government (a State). No, no they do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to sovereign self-determination defined by international boundaries? They do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to peace and security? No, they do not.

Does a religious group have the right to self-determination? Not necessarily, they need to first be the people of the place not settler colonists.
Does a religious group have the right to self-determination in the form of self-government (a State). No, no they do not.
Does a religious group have the right to sovereign self-determination defined by international boundaries? They do not.
Does a religious group have the right to peace and security? Yes, yes they do, just like everybody else, but when that religious group occupies, disposesses and oppresses an indigenous people, they shouldn't be surprised if that people resist.

Thank you. You have proved my point. Its not about Palestinian rights. Its about the restriction, refusal, and retraction of Jewish rights. The argument is not FOR Palestinian rights, but against Jewish rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They, like many, conflate anti-Zionism with criticism of Israel.

Indeed, not to bright, huh.

They are just desperate to shut down talk about Palestinian rights.

So you say......................

If you are losing the debate, and Israel is losing the debate, the next step is to shut down the debate. Israel is desperate to shut down the debate.

PALESTINIAN STUDENTS EXCEPTION TO FREE SPEECH

 

[Hossfly]

The old gang back there sent you another video, Tinmore??? You must have quite a cache by now.

Boycott-Israel Movement Tainted by Ties to Terrorists, Researchers Find

"Researchers" tainted by Zionist funding.

"The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) is a neoconservative advocacy organization that was founded in the wake of the 9/11 attacks with the goal of pushing an aggressive “war on terror” in the Middle East and “pro-Israel” policies in Washington"

"FDD grew out of a right-wing pro-Israel initiative launched in early 2001 called EMET. Reports Slate: “On April 24, 2001, three major pro-Israel donors incorporated an organization called EMET (Hebrew for ‘truth’). In an application to the Internal Revenue Service for tax-exempt status, [FDD president Clifford May] explained that the group ‘was to provide education to enhance Israel’s image in North America and the public’s understanding of issues affecting Israeli-Arab relations.’”

"Another core FDD preoccupation is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, about which the organization promotes views similar to those of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party."

Foundation for Defense of Democracies - Right Web - Institute for Policy Studies

Strange how so many pro Palis here utilize the hate sites for their information, but if a conservative site is mentioned, it is a big no no in their minds.

Tell us, are you denying that there is any anti-Semitism on the campuses of the U.S. and Canada?

Jewish students battle rising anti-Semitism on campus

 

[montelatici]

With the Alt-Right on Trump's coattails, there will be more Nazi flags on campus. Nothing to do with Muslims, the Alt-Right are white nationalists. They want to create a state in which white Europeans can maintain their religions and culture pure. Kind of like the Zionists.

 

[American_Jihad]

Obama's "Champion of Change" Calls for BDS at Pro-Hamas Group
December 9, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

Linda Sarsour is the darling of left-wing politician from New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio to Bernie Sanders to Barack Hussein Obama, whose White House named her a Champion of Change.

She appeared at an American Muslims for Palestine conference, a hate group tied to various forms of support for Hamas, to say that the only Jews she'll tolerate are Jews that hate other Jews as much as she does.

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No bridge building to Jews.

But then again as the Koran tells Muslims, Quran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Quran forbidding them to take Jews as friends"

Islam is a religion of hate. While the lefties who invite Sarsour and other Islamic bigots pretend that they're promoting tolerance, true tolerance lies in calling out Islamic bigotry, not in tolerating it. Or championing it.

Obama's "Champion of Change" Calls for BDS at Pro-Hamas Group

 

[montelatici]

Judaism is more of a religion of hate if you just read Talmudic verses or the Torah. Why do you post such nonsense. Look up Soferim 15, for example.

 

[American_Jihad]

Judaism is more of a religion of hate if you just read Talmudic verses or the Torah. Why do you post such nonsense. Look up Soferim 15, for example.

Islam is backward it never modernized and I'm afraid it never will. It truly is the religion/political/financial/law/jihad of peace...

 

[montelatici]

How is Islam as edified by the Koran any different than Judaism as edified in the Torah, Old Testament and Talmud, in terms of hate and sanctioning of behavior that we Christians find abhorrent?

 

[American_Jihad]

How is Islam as edified by the Koran any different than Judaism as edified in the Torah, Old Testament and Talmud, in terms of hate and sanctioning of behavior that we Christians find abhorrent?

The answer is post #1853, but you might have a intellectual disability...

 

[Hossfly]

With the Alt-Right on Trump's coattails, there will be more Nazi flags on campus. Nothing to do with Muslims, the Alt-Right are white nationalists. They want to create a state in which white Europeans can maintain their religions and culture pure. Kind of like the Zionists.

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[montelatici]

With the Alt-Right on Trump's coattails, there will be more Nazi flags on campus. Nothing to do with Muslims, the Alt-Right are white nationalists. They want to create a state in which white Europeans can maintain their religions and culture pure. Kind of like the Zionists.

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One of your first truthful posts. You don't understand.

 

[montelatici]

How is Islam as edified by the Koran any different than Judaism as edified in the Torah, Old Testament and Talmud, in terms of hate and sanctioning of behavior that we Christians find abhorrent?

The answer is post #1853, but you might have a intellectual disability...

That's what's called projection. LOL

 

[Shusha]

Judaism is more of a religion of hate if you just read Talmudic verses or the Torah. Why do you post such nonsense. Look up Soferim 15, for example.

You have no understanding of Talmud. Don't pretend that you do and that you are not pulling this crap from hate sites. There are PLENTY of verses which prohibit killing people. And this one in no way supports any kind of murder or genocide, if you understand even the least, smallest thing about how to study Talmud.

One does not properly judge a religion as being of hate by pulling a handful of words from a text and declaring that the entire religion and people is therefore evil.

Hate is never a single line of text. Hate is a complex interaction of a number of different factors, most especially how the religious faith interprets that text and how they act upon it. It just doesn't work the way you say it does. And, to be clear, I will not condemn Islam just because of a few lines of text from ancient scripts. Nor Christianity for that matter.

 

[montelatici]

Judaism is more of a religion of hate if you just read Talmudic verses or the Torah. Why do you post such nonsense. Look up Soferim 15, for example.

You have no understanding of Talmud. Don't pretend that you do and that you are not pulling this crap from hate sites. There are PLENTY of verses which prohibit killing people. And this one in no way supports any kind of murder or genocide, if you understand even the least, smallest thing about how to study Talmud.

One does not properly judge a religion as being of hate by pulling a handful of words from a text and declaring that the entire religion and people is therefore evil.

Hate is never a single line of text. Hate is a complex interaction of a number of different factors, most especially how the religious faith interprets that text and how they act upon it. It just doesn't work the way you say it does. And, to be clear, I will not condemn Islam just because of a few lines of text from ancient scripts. Nor Christianity for that matter.

That was my point exactly. At least we agree about this. Perhaps you should bone up on your reading comprehension.