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I would never want to live higher than 3 stories....high rises make me nervous.
London fire latest: Twelve confirmed dead in Grenfell Tower as death toll expected to rise
Residents who escaped spoke of others trapped and screaming for help, with some throwing children from windows and others jumping from upper floors. Some were reported to have attempted to use bin bags as makeshift parachutes.
These two wastes of human skin are to blame, like cowards they have run into hiding, the British will bring them to justice and they will go to prison for a long time.
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Couple whose company were responsible for cladding at tragic Grenfell Tower hide away in £1million home
"Married Raymond and Belinda Bailey's firm was behind the £3million cladding project at the west London block of flats which went up in deadly blaze
THE couple whose company helped refurbish Grenfell Tower were holed up at their £1million home last night.
Raymond and Belinda Bailey were director and secretary of Harley Curtain Wall, responsible for a £3million cladding project at the block of flats.
The business went bust in 2015, shortly after the work, owing creditors more than £1million.
It was bought by another of Mr Bailey’s firms, Harley Facades, based in Crowborough, East Sussex.
The businessman, 58, boasts of more than 25 years “practical experience” as a specialist curtain walling contractor. At their East Sussex home yesterday Mrs Bailey, 56, denied any knowledge of Harley Curtain Wall or its work at Grenfell Tower.
The mum of three insisted there was “nothing to say”.
The Baileys’ home is behind electric gates accessed from a private road. Yesterday a Porsche and Land Rover were parked outside.
At his parents’ house, his mother Janet said: “I’ve heard about the fire but wasn’t aware Raymond’s company was involved.
“But they’ve always got to blame someone, haven’t they?”
Couple whose company cladded tragic Grenfell Tower hide away in £1million home
I hope they not only get everyone responsible - including politicians, but beef up safety in remaining buildings. It really sounds like there are other places in the same sort of danger. I know there is a lot of building and rent corruption in big cities...
I would never want to live higher than 3 stories....high rises make me nervous.
"I would never want to live higher than 3 stories....high rises make me nervous."
Yes it wouldn't be good.
I have vertigo and I would get disorientated and disaster would happen, such as me dropping my Martini or something
If you watch the film of the fire, it is clear that the outside of the building is in flames and the flames move up fast across and to the top of the building. It appears the chadding was flammable and/or combustible. I was watching BBC this morning and they used the term 'combustible.. I can't imagine why they would put combustible material on the building as they say the renovation was within all safety laws.sick.....ur.....veryThere Old Yeller some links from the page before.
"The cladding that might have led to the horrifying blaze at Grenfell Tower
cladding then seems to have helped the fire spread around the building, leading it to destroy almost the entirety of the structure and kill people inside.
Grenfell Tower was covered in material to keep luxury flat owners happy. That’s being blamed for multiple deaths
That was such a terrible mistake they made.
The mistake was allowing fucking muslim douchebags into the country. The chadding isn't the cause of the blaze.
A muslim douchebag was the cause of the blaze. Focus on the cause. Not the fallout.
what was wrong with the chadding?
My God. You are so sick.It's the narrative they were pushing right out of the gate.Read the thread you thicko.The ugly politics of the Grenfell Tower fire
This is a decent write up of the problems. The residents had been complaining for some time but the tory local authority refused to act.
Mr Corbyn put forward a bill last year to ensure that all rented accomodation was fit for purpose. The tory party voted it down. The majority of tory mps are landlords.
Corbyn tried to pass law to make homes safe last year – the Conservatives rejected it
The tory body count grows.
And can I just add that many of you on this thread with your bullshit terrorist theories are a bunch of *****.
what bullshit terrorist theories? I have seen NO THEORIES------other than your bullshit theory
that the building was unsafe------got a link?
the thread reveals no evidence of unsafe conditions
Nothing about the initial CAUSE of the fire, which was reported to have occurred after an explosion.
They're pushing the fake narrative that it's because bad people tried to make the dump look decent, and as a result, it went up like a torch when the muslims blew it up. It's not the fault of the person who created the explosion..it's the fault of the people who maintained the building without assuming someone would blow up the fridge or build a cooking fire in their living room.
Yes, the fire spread at a high speed can be seen in this videoIf you watch the film of the fire, it is clear that the outside of the building is in flames and the flames move up fast across and to the top of the building. It appears the chadding was flammable and/or combustible. I was watching BBC this morning and they used the term 'combustible.. I can't imagine why they would put combustible material on the building as they say the renovation was within all safety laws.sick.....ur.....veryThere Old Yeller some links from the page before.
"The cladding that might have led to the horrifying blaze at Grenfell Tower
cladding then seems to have helped the fire spread around the building, leading it to destroy almost the entirety of the structure and kill people inside.
Grenfell Tower was covered in material to keep luxury flat owners happy. That’s being blamed for multiple deaths
That was such a terrible mistake they made.
The mistake was allowing fucking muslim douchebags into the country. The chadding isn't the cause of the blaze.
A muslim douchebag was the cause of the blaze. Focus on the cause. Not the fallout.
what was wrong with the chadding?
Tilly it is a backdraft but the question is how the fire start ? a refrigerator that blow up i don't believe that.Apparently, behind any kind of cladding there is a gap - air in that gap causes it to act like a chimney.
Backdraft - Wikipedia
I would never want to live higher than 3 stories....high rises make me nervous.
"I would never want to live higher than 3 stories....high rises make me nervous."
Yes it wouldn't be good.
I have vertigo and I would get disorientated and disaster would happen, such as me dropping my Martini or something
Tilly it is a backdraft but the question is how the fire start ? a refrigerator that blow up i don't believe that.Apparently, behind any kind of cladding there is a gap - air in that gap causes it to act like a chimney.
Backdraft - Wikipedia
There were electrical issues with the building so it's not quite as unlikely as you might think.
Tilly it is a backdraft but the question is how the fire start ? a refrigerator that blow up i don't believe that.Apparently, behind any kind of cladding there is a gap - air in that gap causes it to act like a chimney.
Backdraft - Wikipedia
There were electrical issues with the building so it's not quite as unlikely as you might think.
Sadly, I think we will never know the cause of the fire they will stop talking about it soon.
Tilly it is a backdraft but the question is how the fire start ? a refrigerator that blow up i don't believe that.Apparently, behind any kind of cladding there is a gap - air in that gap causes it to act like a chimney.
Backdraft - Wikipedia
There were electrical issues with the building so it's not quite as unlikely as you might think.
Sadly, I think we will never know the cause of the fire they will stop talking about it soon.
This may be of little concern for Americans but the British will not let this go, nor should they. When you rent a property, you shouldn't have to have a safety inspection before deciding if the place is suitable or fit for habitation.
I believe that buildings with as many floors should not exist,,,,,,,,,
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thank you for your input Dalia
Yup.Why the hell would you allow any building to be clad in an oil based product? That makes no sense. If that's the case the UK needs to revamp their safety codes and pull that crap off any other buildings that might have the same materials.I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?
The WTC and the Grenfell Tower were constructed from completely different materials that's why, I don't think the exterior of the WTC had from top to bottom had oil-based plastic cladding backed with foam, this is why it only took the Grenfell Tower 15 minutes approx to become a completely engulfed inferno.
The WTC was made of steel,glass and concrete. Unfortunately it also had a large amount of asbestos so all that dust after the building collapsed was toxic. The death toll on that day was near 3000 but many more have died and continue to die as a direct result of that attack.
Yes it's complete madness.
They are saying, the London Police this is, are saying that up to 600 people might have been in the Grenfell Tower last night. What they have said is that 6 are confirmed dead, these might or might not be some of those who witnesses observed jumping out of the windows of the Grenfell Tower, so 6 confirmed dead, 75 in the hospital and the rest are unaccounted for, that leaves potentially 519 people still in the Grenfell Tower and by looking at that building I would say the chance is zero that they are still alive.
And the media's whole slant on this is that this is a great opportunity to bring the community together to support muslims.
What a bunch of fucking asshats. Either someone's bomb shit blew up, or they had a sick somali arsonist, or some moron was cooking over an open flame late at night in their apartment for Ramadan and burned them up.
Yeah 6 people, what a fucking joke. They literally believe humanity is a collective retard.
We can't say what started the fire, shit the building is still smoking and probably will be for at least a week. While I don't buy the early reports of a exploding refrigerator It could be something as simple as someone smoking in bed,left something burning on the stove,electrical fire, kid playing with matches,someone leaving rags with a flammable substance in the wrong place,furnace issue,Natural gas,Taco bell butt explosion,candle... While I'm no big fan of Islam until we know what actually happened, if we ever know, we shouldn't speculate whether this is terrorist or not. It could be but it may also not be. What is abundantly clear is whatever was on the side of that building was very flammable and contributed to the quick spread of this fire. If you look at pics and footage you can see the fire flying up the side of that building. That has to be the cladding on the outside of the building. Pieces of foam were found all over the neighborhood so clearly the cladding burned off.Yup.Why the hell would you allow any building to be clad in an oil based product? That makes no sense. If that's the case the UK needs to revamp their safety codes and pull that crap off any other buildings that might have the same materials.I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?
The WTC and the Grenfell Tower were constructed from completely different materials that's why, I don't think the exterior of the WTC had from top to bottom had oil-based plastic cladding backed with foam, this is why it only took the Grenfell Tower 15 minutes approx to become a completely engulfed inferno.
The WTC was made of steel,glass and concrete. Unfortunately it also had a large amount of asbestos so all that dust after the building collapsed was toxic. The death toll on that day was near 3000 but many more have died and continue to die as a direct result of that attack.
Yes it's complete madness.
They are saying, the London Police this is, are saying that up to 600 people might have been in the Grenfell Tower last night. What they have said is that 6 are confirmed dead, these might or might not be some of those who witnesses observed jumping out of the windows of the Grenfell Tower, so 6 confirmed dead, 75 in the hospital and the rest are unaccounted for, that leaves potentially 519 people still in the Grenfell Tower and by looking at that building I would say the chance is zero that they are still alive.
And the media's whole slant on this is that this is a great opportunity to bring the community together to support muslims.
What a bunch of fucking asshats. Either someone's bomb shit blew up, or they had a sick somali arsonist, or some moron was cooking over an open flame late at night in their apartment for Ramadan and burned them up.
Yeah 6 people, what a fucking joke. They literally believe humanity is a collective retard.
"What a bunch of fucking asshats. Either someone's bomb shit blew up, or they had a sick somali arsonist, or some moron was cooking over an open flame late at night in their apartment for Ramadan and burned them up."
We need to put things into perspective and not in the realm of hysteria darling.
The situation at this time is that nobody knows what caused this horrific situation and wild speculation isn't helpful.
This terrible incident could have started outside, it could be that someone was returning home and/or going into Grenfell Tower to visit a friend and they discarded a cigarette outside and it caught something, then spread into the cladding.
I have had a look at the weather report for London that night, it was very humid, they don't have air conditioning, so chances are that many people had their apartment windows open.
A discarded cigarette outside could have caught something, spread into the cladding and from the cladding with open windows spread into the building, it could be that simple.
Alternately someone inside the apartment building fell asleep while still holding their cigarette, these things do happen.
"Yeah 6 people, what a fucking joke. They literally believe humanity is a collective retard."
You know KG this is a low comment, you are better than making such a comment, it's now 12 people, it probably will be several hundred people, I don't find deaths something to consider a joke, especially when this is going to involve young children and babies perishing in such an excruciating way.
We can't say what started the fire, shit the building is still smoking and probably will be for at least a week. While I don't buy the early reports of a exploding refrigerator It could be something as simple as someone smoking in bed,left something burning on the stove,electrical fire, kid playing with matches,someone leaving rags with a flammable substance in the wrong place,furnace issue,Natural gas,Taco bell butt explosion,candle... While I'm no big fan of Islam until we know what actually happened, if we ever know, we shouldn't speculate whether this is terrorist or not. It could be but it may also not be. What is abundantly clear is whatever was on the side of that building was very flammable and contributed to the quick spread of this fire. If you look at pics and footage you can see the fire flying up the side of that building. That has to be the cladding on the outside of the building. Pieces of foam were found all over the neighborhood so clearly the cladding burned off.Yup.Why the hell would you allow any building to be clad in an oil based product? That makes no sense. If that's the case the UK needs to revamp their safety codes and pull that crap off any other buildings that might have the same materials.The WTC and the Grenfell Tower were constructed from completely different materials that's why, I don't think the exterior of the WTC had from top to bottom had oil-based plastic cladding backed with foam, this is why it only took the Grenfell Tower 15 minutes approx to become a completely engulfed inferno.
The WTC was made of steel,glass and concrete. Unfortunately it also had a large amount of asbestos so all that dust after the building collapsed was toxic. The death toll on that day was near 3000 but many more have died and continue to die as a direct result of that attack.
Yes it's complete madness.
They are saying, the London Police this is, are saying that up to 600 people might have been in the Grenfell Tower last night. What they have said is that 6 are confirmed dead, these might or might not be some of those who witnesses observed jumping out of the windows of the Grenfell Tower, so 6 confirmed dead, 75 in the hospital and the rest are unaccounted for, that leaves potentially 519 people still in the Grenfell Tower and by looking at that building I would say the chance is zero that they are still alive.
And the media's whole slant on this is that this is a great opportunity to bring the community together to support muslims.
What a bunch of fucking asshats. Either someone's bomb shit blew up, or they had a sick somali arsonist, or some moron was cooking over an open flame late at night in their apartment for Ramadan and burned them up.
Yeah 6 people, what a fucking joke. They literally believe humanity is a collective retard.
"What a bunch of fucking asshats. Either someone's bomb shit blew up, or they had a sick somali arsonist, or some moron was cooking over an open flame late at night in their apartment for Ramadan and burned them up."
We need to put things into perspective and not in the realm of hysteria darling.
The situation at this time is that nobody knows what caused this horrific situation and wild speculation isn't helpful.
This terrible incident could have started outside, it could be that someone was returning home and/or going into Grenfell Tower to visit a friend and they discarded a cigarette outside and it caught something, then spread into the cladding.
I have had a look at the weather report for London that night, it was very humid, they don't have air conditioning, so chances are that many people had their apartment windows open.
A discarded cigarette outside could have caught something, spread into the cladding and from the cladding with open windows spread into the building, it could be that simple.
Alternately someone inside the apartment building fell asleep while still holding their cigarette, these things do happen.
"Yeah 6 people, what a fucking joke. They literally believe humanity is a collective retard."
You know KG this is a low comment, you are better than making such a comment, it's now 12 people, it probably will be several hundred people, I don't find deaths something to consider a joke, especially when this is going to involve young children and babies perishing in such an excruciating way.
