Breaking confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart 18 ppl shot

[bodecea]

Too bad. Democrats make this shit happen because they refuse to punish violence.

No, it's being reported he read and posted online to right wing hate groups and forums, hell he's probably a member here.

Wouldn't be the first or the second who was a RW member here.

 

[Mac1958]

Isn't this the civil war we're constantly threatened with on this very site?

 

[Defiant1]

VIDEO of witness Brittney, who says her mom saw 3 armed men dressed all in black.



Jeff DeRiso on Twitter

Antifa has announced that they plan to attack El Paso. Today's shootings could be an advance op.


Antifa Terrorists Plan 10-Day Sept. Border Siege in El Paso - The Lid

Did they conspire with Representative V. Escobar of El Paso who went down to Mexico to recruit more border crossers right after she voted to deprive humanitarian Aid from the American Congress she is part of the majority in. I hope they vote that traitor out of power in the next election. She's a Congressman in name only. She is against the President who has asked Congress to vote in fundings for humanitarian relief for detainees on the border.

^Right here. These three clowns are attempting to find a way to blame liberals for the actions of a white supremacist. Interesting how it happens and the logic is so disjointed and....well, just dumb.

How many time do you need to be told?
White supremacists don't have anything to do with conservatives or the Republican party.
They are remnants the democrat party left behind.

You better hold your denials until you read this murderers manifesto.

This murderer has nothing to do with conservatives or the Republican party.
I don't care what his manifesto says.

 

[beautress]

Apparently some guy drove from Dallas to El Paso to shoot...wetbacks. Jesus...if the genius wanted to shoot mojados why didn't he just stay in Dallas, it's full of them.

Dallas doesn't have congresscritters sneaking secretly over to Mexico to exploit people there into sneaking over the border illegally so they can be used as the political pawns the Democrats need right now to cover up the DNC lockstep votes they made against providing humanitarian relief to the crossers. This creates havoc for the Border Patrol, who are hated by the Democrats because they are providing the only humanitarian some of these people get by bringing them McDonald's hamburgers and Taco Bell foods to feed them and toys for the kids. The Border Patrol AOC went after on her special 10-minute visit to augment Democrat badmouthing of President Trump while actually denying the detainees humanitarian relief citing "intellectual argument" as her reason for her viciously hateful denial of these people foods and services they need by being detained due to the laws created by Congress. It's all about getting President Trump. They failed to get him with the lies surrounding the 100% bullshit salacious document the Steel Dossier contained in addition to lies about the Trump colluding with Russia (which the Mueller Report found no evidence of in 3 years).

The many things the Democrats have done have brought El Paso to its knees, and everyone who feels pain for those who lost loved ones and those who were shot but survived, some will never walk again if they were hit in the spine.

The Democrats used to be friends of this nations. Now they're pissed off that Republicans have a President and are acting like spoiled brats in Congress, and beating up President Trump for every little thing that Democrats do and try to blame on Republicans. I don't think the Democrats respect sharing power when Nancy Pelosi made a big deal about her being the most powerful woman in the world as Speaker of the House. May God have mercy on this nation.

 

[bodecea]

Well if the Democrats aren't going to end the Hispanic problem, someone else will.

You don't know that's what happened, and many people down there are Americans of Mexican heritage.

Some white boy from Allen, Tx drove all the way down just to murder Mexican's.

Jeebus, you are a hateful c*nt.

Interesting...guy kills almost 20 people and this poster is the one you have a problem with....

 

[ranfunck]

You fucking people will buy any thing its a false flag wake up

 

[harmonica]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

but the US has the most guns per capita--- shouldn't we have the lowest murder rate??
but we don't
Texas is a gun free state
etc!!!!
8 States That Respect 2nd Amendment Gun Rights [PICS]

Yep.....more guns = less gun crime...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.





Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

US higher murder rates --you can't bullshit it any other way

 

[Defiant1]

Running from what? People with pathetic emotional arguments eager to politicize death at the drop of a pussy hat?

Please.

I will destroy you in a debate.

The shooter politicized the event. I'm tired of the death threats because someone has different political views on this board. Sorry the motivation for this guy is inconvenient to the right but he was a white supremacist, he was a Trump supporter his motive was racism.

I don't care who he was or what his motivations were. Only you do. You have more concern over his motivations than for the people who lost their lives or lost loved ones.

Your concern is not genuine. Only political.

I don't want this to ever happen again, the motive is important as it shouldn't be accepted. I've seen threats on this forum that emulate the shooting today. Whether it's picking them off at the border or being told that the left will be wiped out in the upcoming civil war (I'm told) and the utter glee in being told how this civil war is going to exterminate people based on either their beliefs or race.

So if a civil war is started we are just supposed to stand by and let you kill us?

There is not going to be a civil war. There will be riots, but there will not be opposing armies like during the Confederacy.

So you think the left is going to surrender?

 

[Defiant1]

17 pages of the same shit everytime this happens. Everytime....

So it finally is sinking in that this kind of thing is happening over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

What's your point?

 

[beagle9]

If the reports are true, this isn't Trump's fault. This is talk radio's fault.

Trump is just a product of talk radio.

Nope.....it was a planned hit.....too many witnesses saw multiple shooters.

Probably just one shooter seeing the short distances between the locations. We shall see I guess. I'm open for the plot thickening to my surprise though. I know I don't know everything. Usually by now the reports would be conclusive on multiple shooters, but nothing yet right ??

 

[mudwhistle]

You mean like registered democrat, the Pulse Night Club shooter?

Do many mass shooters end up being Democrats?

Omar Mateen, the shooter who killed 49 people at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016, was registered as a Democrat in 2006. He voted in the Florida primary in 2016, according to reporting from Politico.

Pulse nightclub shooter was shooting gay people. That's not a democratic move.

Shooter was a Muslim.

And? As far as I know the only two Muslims on this forum are rightists. What's yer point?

My point was the shooter was Muslim.

Based on the mass shootings over the past several months, the shooter will be a white supremacist. They have been emboldened in the past 3 years.

At least you sure hope so.
Strange how they know so much about this fucker within an hour or two.

 

[harmonica]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

but the US has the most guns per capita--- shouldn't we have the lowest murder rate??
but we don't
Texas is a gun free state
etc!!!!
8 States That Respect 2nd Amendment Gun Rights [PICS]

Yep.....more guns = less gun crime...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.





Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

.....US higher murder rates and higher CRIME rates than UK, Japan, France, Germany, NZ, etc
Countries Compared by Crime > Crime levels. International Statistics at NationMaster.com
don't try to bullshit it

 

[mudwhistle]

I think someone is putting these kids up to it just like they do in the Middle-East.

Agreed.

yeah......these guys are the ones that have been calling for impeachment and blood in the streets. Not Democrats and their corrupt media friends.

 

[beagle9]

If the reports are true, this isn't Trump's fault. This is talk radio's fault.

Trump is just a product of talk radio.

Clever... Not buying it though.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I think someone is putting these kids up to it just like they do in the Middle-East.

Agreed.

Um... Mac? Is that you?

 

[otto105]

What we need now is open carry. If this nation wants to return to the old west, then so be it.

Libs will fight against it, they refuse to admit more guns make us safer.

So, how did the gun in Walmart make people safer?

 

[MaryL]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

Mass shootings have a way of ramping up anti gun sentiments. Yeah, what a coincidence.

 

[westwall]

Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings....

Meanwhile, to totally solve ANY and ALL mass shootings, we just need to rid society of Leftists
Problem solved.

Turns out it's a white guy who has posted a "manifesto" about killing immigrants.

Doesn't sound like a leftist to me.

Manifestos are always leftist.

 

[mudwhistle]

Isn't this the civil war we're constantly threatened with on this very site?

What are you doing?
Trying to cause one?

 

[beautress]

Antifa has announced that they plan to attack El Paso. Today's shootings could be an advance op.


Antifa Terrorists Plan 10-Day Sept. Border Siege in El Paso - The Lid

Did they conspire with Representative V. Escobar of El Paso who went down to Mexico to recruit more border crossers right after she voted to deprive humanitarian Aid from the American Congress she is part of the majority in. I hope they vote that traitor out of power in the next election. She's a Congressman in name only. She is against the President who has asked Congress to vote in fundings for humanitarian relief for detainees on the border.

^Right here. These three clowns are attempting to find a way to blame liberals for the actions of a white supremacist. Interesting how it happens and the logic is so disjointed and....well, just dumb.

How many time do you need to be told?
White supremacists don't have anything to do with conservatives or the Republican party.
They are remnants the democrat party left behind.

You better hold your denials until you read this murderers manifesto.

This murderer has nothing to do with conservatives or the Republican party.
I don't care what his manifesto says.

El Paso is a nidus of current Democrat mischief, Defiant1. ElPaso's V. Escobar was down in Mexico a week or two ago soliciting people to form a huge caravan and cross, possibly at her territory where she may have made promises that were not consistent with Border Patrol safety and rules they try to abide by. Political chaos is a tool the Democrats have been using since Hillary lost the election. And they beat up Republican President Trump with lies, deceit, and a false narrative full of salacious lies that created in people's minds with 300-500 negative lies repeated by the leftist press against Donald Trump, not one of which was true. People believed the lies after 3 years of constant negative feedback the Democrats were hoping to get by the leftist lockstep press which has helped them before--all through Hillary's bid for the presidency.