Breaking: NYTimes -- Trump asked Comey to shut down Flynn Investigation.

[jc456]

Now, calm down.
None of your post is true.

Trump, unlike your lord and savior, has actually accomplished things and proven to be a success.



The basis of your ire can be summed up in this:
" If they think they are going to give you your country back without a fight, you are mistaken. Every day, it is going to be a fight."" Steve Bannon

I hope America wins the fight.

From racist crap Bannon? It must be true. Trump is dividing and turning this country upside down as you can see idiot Trump is on the defensive mode every day.

Can't get over the election, and America kicking you to the curb, huh?


Excellent.

Don't ever change.

I never mentioned election. I'm just telling you the reality of what trump is doing to this country.

Reality????


Coming right up:

"In California, state planners and legislators focused on things such as outlawing plastic grocery bags while California’s roads and dams over three decades sank into decrepitude. The result is crumbling infrastructure that now threatens the very safety of the public. Powerful Californians with impressive degrees also came up with the loony and neo-Confederate idea of nullifying federal immigration law through sanctuary cities.

Sophisticated Washington, D.C., economists produced budgets for the last eight years that saw U.S. debt explode from $10 trillion to nearly $19 trillion, as economic growth sank to its lowest level since the Hoover administration.

For a year, most expert pundits and pollsters smugly assured the public of a certain Hillary Clinton victory — until the hour before she was overwhelmed in the Electoral College.

Rhodes Scholar and former U.N. ambassador Susan Rice lied repeatedly on national television about the Benghazi debacle."
Is the American Elite Really Elite?


And that's why America kicked you out.

Nah. You must be desperate using national review as your link. An ultra right wing bias media.

California is the 6th largest economy of the world. We must be doing something right.
Despite with largest populations ------- we are not the dirtiest, drugiest, ugliest, criminals, poorest states.

are you sure?

 

[jc456]

That was just a tactical strategic political maneuver by Trump

PC for a lie!

quote his lie.

It was McGarrett who said Tramp was not truthful in saying Obama was born in Hawaii.
Please pay attention.

he did where?

In this very thread.

where? post #.. jeopardy music please.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Now, calm down.
None of your post is true.

Trump, unlike your lord and savior, has actually accomplished things and proven to be a success.



The basis of your ire can be summed up in this:
" If they think they are going to give you your country back without a fight, you are mistaken. Every day, it is going to be a fight."" Steve Bannon

I hope America wins the fight.

From racist crap Bannon? It must be true. Trump is dividing and turning this country upside down as you can see idiot Trump is on the defensive mode every day.

Can't get over the election, and America kicking you to the curb, huh?


Excellent.

Don't ever change.

I never mentioned election. I'm just telling you the reality of what trump is doing to this country.

No the dishitscum and people like you are the ones causing all of the problems in this country, I will add a few stupid Republicans that are chicken shit and need to be beaten in their next primary to the group. The Republican problem is they should have slapped the dimshit scum liberals to the toilet and flushed them first order of business. THEN they should have slapped the press with a million subpoenas and made them name a source that would be subpoenaed then and shown to be lying, and made the press retract their lies. IT is coming there will be a law forcing the press to tell the truth, and then you lying liberal shit will have no where to hide as you are skinned alive..

I have not called people names yet but since you started it. Let's see.
Really? WHO is creating all these self inflicted wounds? Who is creating all these problems that we right now? Did the left fired Comey? Did the left kissing or sucking Putin dick? Closed meeting with Russians barred US media except Tass Russian media. Every time he talk him and against the Americans. Then contradicts his own people. Then his unaffordable health care that favored people like me but not the poor.

What the fuck kind of president is that?
Either he is ignorant or just plain don't know what the hell he is doing.

Now tell me where I lied. Now answer that SHITHEAD.

Our holy President Trump is doing nothing but winning in order to make America great again! He is truly divine


Pssss! A little secret........ Presodent Harry S. Truman told Stalin about our top highly classified secret that we were building an atomic bomb.

 

[charwin95]

Now....you know I never lie.


Everything in post #448 is factual, documented, linked and sourced.


Now what?

Sure you do. You lied big time.
You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect?
From there we are still recovering to this day.
You also ignored that the GOPs purposely tried very hard to bring him down for 8 years. Despite from that constipations ( that's right constipation) from the Republicans he manages to bring this country back.
Lo and behold ------- Americans mistakenly elected Trump ------- Now he is taking all credits of the recovery.

the GOP was wrong. they should have been putting legislation on obummer's desk weekly and having to have him veto it. they were wrong, I'm not afraid to admit that. they are useless .

Not just useless.....they are allied with the enemy of America, the Democrats.

Democrats are Americans ------ it's the same ugly rhetoric coming from Trump ----- A clear and good example of dividing this country. What a fucked yo president. Keep it up.

ahhh look at the wittle snowflake whining.

Truth hurts eh! But keep you and Trump keep it up -------- because pretty soon Trump will be the most hated president of this country ever.
Polls are showing.

 

[jc456]

Sure you do. You lied big time.
You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect?
From there we are still recovering to this day.
You also ignored that the GOPs purposely tried very hard to bring him down for 8 years. Despite from that constipations ( that's right constipation) from the Republicans he manages to bring this country back.
Lo and behold ------- Americans mistakenly elected Trump ------- Now he is taking all credits of the recovery.

the GOP was wrong. they should have been putting legislation on obummer's desk weekly and having to have him veto it. they were wrong, I'm not afraid to admit that. they are useless .

Not just useless.....they are allied with the enemy of America, the Democrats.

Democrats are Americans ------ it's the same ugly rhetoric coming from Trump ----- A clear and good example of dividing this country. What a fucked yo president. Keep it up.

ahhh look at the wittle snowflake whining.

Truth hurts eh! But keep you and Trump keep it up -------- because pretty soon Trump will be the most hated president of this country ever.
Polls are showing.

it must, you keep going off all batshit crazy.

 

[edthecynic]

PC for a lie!

quote his lie.

It was McGarrett who said Tramp was not truthful in saying Obama was born in Hawaii.
Please pay attention.

he did where?

In this very thread.

where? post #.. jeopardy music please.

All you had to do was click on the little arrow pointing up next to McGarrette's name on YOUR last two posts to see it for yourself. Further proof that the Right is just too stupid and lazy to do anything for themselves.

 

[charwin95]

AND Obama wasn't a citizen What crap republicans support

To this day, we can't confirm Obama was a citizen due to him releasing a 100% fraudulent birth certificate on April 27, 2011.

LOL..... I thought Trump clown already told you that Obama was born here in US?

Oh that? No! That was just a tactical strategic political maneuver by Trump to get the media off his back during the final stretch of the campaign.

Are you saying that Trump lied again? Oh my goodness.
Are you saying you and Trump cannot get their act together? OMG OMG.

how's that? he said he accepted it. he moved on. the fact still remains, no birth certificate has ever been produced. but we don't need to discuss details.

I didn't brought up the birth certificate------ Steve did.
Yes he did showed his birth certificate even Trump sent to investigate in Hawaii. Are you really this dumb JC?

 

[JonKoch]

why do you continually ignore the worst economy in many many years GWB handed down to Obama? Why do you make mock of that and feed me all these numbers that mostly don't mean squat What was the DOW under Reagan ??Under gwb?? Clinton left nothing to gwb like gwb left for Obama

"why do you continually ignore the worst economy in many many years GWB handed down to Obama?"

Au contraire, eddie.....I don't ignore it.....I related to the cause of same: Democrats and Democrat policies.

These:

1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.

He created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.

It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown


That's the CliffNotes version.



Bush tried over and over to hold back the Democrats:

"Democrats Were Wrong on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
The White House called for tighter regulation 17 times.
Seventeen. That's how many times, according to this White House statement (hat tip Gateway Pundit), that the Bush administration has called for tighter regulation of the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Much if not all of that could have been prevented by a bill cosponsored by John McCain and supported by all the Republicans and opposed by all the Democrats in the Senate Banking Committee in 2005. That bill, which the Democrats stopped from passing, would have prohibited the GSEs from speculating on the mortgage-based securities they packaged. The GSEs' mission allegedly justifying their quasi-governmental status was to package or securitize such mortgages, but the lion's share of their profits—which determined top executives' bonuses—came from speculation."
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...rats-were-wrong-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac



"Yet Barney Frank and his chums blocked all Bush's attempts to put a rein on Raines. During the House Financial Services Committee hearing following Bush's initiative, Frank declared: "The more people exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness [at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae], the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially." His colleague on the committee, the California Democrat Maxine Walters, said: "There were nearly a dozen hearings where we were trying to fix something that wasn't broke. Mr Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and particularly at Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Mr Franklin Raines."
Bubble Meter: Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd deserve blame for Fannie and Freddie

THE LIARS KEEP GOING ON THIS DEAD HORSE I SEE

GSE Critics Ignore Loan Performance

Money talks. It says the only way to measure the quality of mortgage underwriting is to track loan performance delinquency and default rates, loss severity in comparison with the rest of the mortgage market. Otherwise, any analysis of the government-sponsored enterprises' role in housing finance is meaningless.

And yet, critics demanding GSE reform ignore the topic altogether. Search through any book or article promoting the thesis that the GSEs helped cause the mortgage crisis for a passage comparing GSE loan performance with the rest of the market. Almost certainly, you will come up empty-handed.

There is no data anywhere to cast doubt on the vastly superior loan performance of the GSEs. Year after year, decade after decade, before, during and after the housing crash, GSE loan performance has consistently been two-to-six times better than that of any other segment of the market. The numbers are irrefutable, and they show that the entire case against GSE underwriting standards, and their role in the financial crisis, is based on social stereotyping, smoke and mirrors, and little else.
https://www.americanbanker.com/opinion/gse-critics-ignore-loan-performance\

BUT DUBYA WANTED TO REFORM F/F? WEIRD HE HAD A GOP HOUSE FOR 6 YEARS WHICH BILL GOT THROUGH THE HOUSE AGAIN? YOU KNOW THE ONE DUBYA OPPOSED?


Bush talked about reform. He talked and he talked. And then he stopped reform. (read that as many times as necessary. Bush stopped reform). And then he stopped it again

Testimony from W's Treasury Secretary John Snow to the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS concerning the 'regulation of the GSE's 2004

Mr. (BARNEY) Frank: ...Are we in a crisis now with these entities?

Secretary Snow. No, that is a fair characterization, Congressman Frank, of our position. We are not putting this proposal before you because of some concern over some imminent danger to the financial system for housing; far from it.


June 17, 2004

(CNN/Money) - Home builders, realtors and others are preparing to fight a Bush administration plan that would require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase financing of homes for low-income people, a home builder group said Thursday.

Home builders fight Bush's low-income housing - Jun. 17, 2004


Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis


The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets

Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis

Time to put you in your place???


Sure thing.


a. Congress passed a bill in 1975 requiring banks to provide the government with information on their lending activities in poor urban areas. Two years later, it passed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which gave regulators the power to deny banks the right to expand if they didn’t lend sufficiently in those neighborhoods. In 1979 the FDIC used the CRA to block a move by the Greater NY Savings Bank for not enough lending.

b. In 1986, when the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn) threatened to oppose an acquisition by a southern bank, Louisiana Bancshares, until it agreed to new “flexible credit and underwriting standards” for minority borrowers—for example, counting public assistance and food stamps as income.

c. In 1987, Acorn led a coalition of advocacy groups calling for industry-wide changes in lending standards. Among the demanded reforms were the easing of minimum down-payment requirements and of the requirement that borrowers have enough cash at a closing to cover two to three months of mortgage payments (research had shown that lack of money in hand was a big reason some mortgages failed quickly).

d. ACORN then attacked Fannie Mae, the giant quasi-government agency that bought loans from banks in order to allow them to make new loans. Its underwriters were “strictly by-the-book interpreters” of lending standards and turned down purchases of unconventional loans, charged Acorn. The pressure eventually paid off. In 1992, Congress passed legislation requiring Fannie Mae and the similar Freddie Mac to devote 30 percent of their loan purchases to mortgages for low- and moderate-income borrowers.

e. Clinton Administration housing secretary, Henry Cisneros, declared that he would expand homeownership among lower- and lower-middle-income renters. His strategy: pushing for no-down-payment loans; expanding the size of mortgages that the government would insure against losses; and using the CRA and other lending laws to direct more private money into low-income programs.

f. Shortly after Cisneros announced his plan, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac agreed to begin buying loans under new, looser guidelines. Freddie Mac, for instance, started approving low-income buyers with bad credit histories or none at all, so long as they were current on rent and utilities payments. Freddie Mac also said that it would begin counting income from seasonal jobs and public assistance toward its income minimum, despite the FHA disaster of the sixties.

g. Freddie Mac began an “alternative qualifying” program with the Sears Mortgage Corporation that let a borrower qualify for a loan with a monthly payment as high as 50 percent of his income, at a time when most private mortgage companies wouldn’t exceed 33 percent. The program also allowed borrowers with bad credit to get mortgages if they took credit-counseling classes administered by Acorn and other nonprofits. Subsequent research would show that such classes have little impact on default rates.

h. Pressuring nonbank lenders to make more loans to poor minorities didn’t stop with Sears. If it didn’t happen, Clinton officials warned, they’d seek to extend CRA regulations to all mortgage makers. In Congress, Representative Maxine Waters called financial firms not covered by the CRA “among the most egregious redliners.”

i. Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) shocked the financial world by signing a 1994 agreement with the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), pledging to increase lending to minorities and join in new efforts to rewrite lending standards. The first MBA member to sign up: Countrywide Financial, the mortgage firm that would be at the core of the subprime meltdown.

j. A 1998 sales pitch by a Bear Stearns managing director advised banks to begin packaging their loans to low-income borrowers into securities that the firm could sell. Forget traditional underwriting standards when considering these loans, the director advised. For a low-income borrower, he continued in all-too-familiar terms, owning a home was “a near-sacred obligation. A family will do almost anything to meet that monthly mortgage payment.” Bunk, says Stan Liebowitz, a professor of economics at the University of Texas: “The claim that lower-income homeowners are somehow different in their devotion to their home is a purely emotional claim with no evidence to support it.”

k. Any concern was quickly dismissed. When in early 2000 the FDIC proposed increasing capital requirements for lenders making “subprime” loans—loans to people with questionable credit, that is—Democratic representative Carolyn Maloney of New York told a congressional hearing that she feared that the step would dry up CRA loans. Her fellow New York Democrat John J. LaFalce urged regulators “not to be premature” in imposing new regulations.

l. In July 1999, HUD proposed new levels for Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s low-income lending; in September, Fannie Mae agreed to begin purchasing loans made to “borrowers with slightly impaired credit”—that is, with credit standards even lower than the government had been pushing for a generation.

m. In 2004 Congress pressed new affordable-housing goals on the two mortgage giants, which through 2007 purchased some $1 trillion in loans to lower- and moderate-income buyers. The buying spree helped spark a massive increase in securitization of mortgages to people with dubious credit.

n. In October 1994, Fannie Mae head James Johnson had reminded a banking convention that mortgages with small down payments had a much higher risk of defaulting. (A Duff & Phelps study found that they were nearly three times more likely to default than conventional mortgages.) Yet the very next month, Fannie Mae said that it expected to back loans to low-income home buyers with a 97 percent loan-to-value ratio—that is, loans in which the buyer puts down just 3 percent—as part of a commitment, made earlier that year to Congress, to purchase $1 trillion in affordable-housing mortgages by the end of the nineties. According to Edward Pinto, who served as the company’s chief credit officer, the program was the result of political pressure on Fannie Mae trumping lending standards.

o. In 1992, the Boston Fed produced an extraordinary 29-page document that codified the new lending wisdom. Conventional mortgage criteria, the report argued, might be “unintentionally biased” because they didn’t take into account “the economic culture of urban, lower-income and nontraditional customers.” Lenders should thus consider junking the industry’s traditional income-to-payments ratio and stop viewing an applicant’s “lack of credit history” as a “negative factor.” Further, if applicants had bad credit, banks should “consider extenuating circumstances”—even though a study by mortgage insurance companies would soon show, not surprisingly, that borrowers with no credit rating or a bad one were far more likely to default. If applicants didn’t have enough savings for a down payment, the Boston Fed urged, banks should allow loans from nonprofits or government assistance agencies to count toward one. A later study of Freddie Mac mortgages would find that a borrower who made a down payment with third-party funds was four times more likely to default, a reminder that traditional underwriting standards weren’t arbitrary but based on historical lending patterns.

p. The Congressional Hispanic Caucus launched Hogar in 2003, an initiative that pushed for easing lending standards for immigrants, including touting so-called seller-financed mortgages in which a builder provided down-payment aid to buyers via contributions to nonprofit groups. As a result, mortgage lending to Hispanics soared. And today, in districts where Hispanics make up at least 25 percent of the population, foreclosure rates are now nearly 50 percent higher than the national average, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.

q. Republicans and Democrats, meanwhile, have scrambled to reignite the housing market through ill-conceived tax credits and renewed federal subsidies for mortgages, including the Obama administration’s mortgage bailout plan, which recalls the New Deal’s HOLC. Behind these efforts is a fundamental misconception among politicians that housing drives the American economy and therefore demands subsidy at virtually any cost. Our praiseworthy initial efforts—to eliminate housing discrimination and provide all Americans an equal opportunity to buy a home—were eventually turned on their heads by advocates and politicians, who instead tried to ensure equality of outcomes.



Timeline shows Dems were warned:

SIMPLE REBUTTAL BUBS

EXPLAIN THIS:

Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse


"Another form of easing facilitated the rapid rise of mortgages that didn't require borrowers to fully document their incomes. In 2006, these low- or no-doc loans comprised 81 percent of near-prime, 55 percent of jumbo, 50 percent of subprime and 36 percent of prime securitized mortgages."

Q HOLY JESUS! DID YOU JUST PROVE THAT OVER 50 % OF ALL MORTGAGES IN 2006 DIDN'T REQUIRE BORROWERS TO DOCUMENT THEIR INCOME?!?!?!?

A Yes.




Q WHO THE HELL LOANS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PEOPLE WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR INCOMES?!?!?

A Banks.

Q WHY??!?!!!?!

A Two reasons, greed and Bush's regulators let them.


FACTS on Dubya's great recession

1. Wasn't Bush's recession...it was Democrat policy meltdown.

2. Explanation so simple even a dunce like you should understand it:
a. What is a NINA loan?
No Income No Asset (NINA) or simply Nina Loan is a term used in the United States mortgage industry to describe one of many documentation types which lenders may allow when underwriting a mortgage.
No Income No Asset - Wikipedia
No Income No Asset - Wikipedia


b. "How Democrats Wrecked the Economy and Successfully Blamed Republicans
The bottom line is that Democrats were the primary architects and the driving force behind the irresponsible banking practices that led to the subprime mortgage meltdown, the financial crisis, and the recession that resulted. "
How Democrats Wrecked the Economy and Successfully Blamed Republicans

WHAT DEMOCRATIC POLICY REQUIRED OR ENCOURAGED NINA/NINJA LOANS AGAIN???

Dems huh? Weird PLEASE explain this graph:

DEMS WERE IN CHARGE THEN?

FACTS on Dubya's great recession
FACTS on Dubya's great recession


Bush’s documented policies and statements in timeframe leading up to the start of the Bush Mortgage Bubble include (but not limited to)

Wanting 5.5 million more minority homeowners
Tells congress there is nothing wrong with GSEs
Pledging to use federal policy to increase home ownership
Routinely taking credit for the housing market
Forcing GSEs to buy more low income home loans by raising their Housing Goals
Lowering Invesntment bank’s capital requirements, Net Capital rule
Reversing the Clinton rule that restricted GSEs purchases of subprime loans
Lowering down payment requirements to 0%
Forcing GSEs to spend an additional $440 billion in the secondary markets
Giving away 40,000 free down payments
PREEMPTING ALL STATE LAWS AGAINST PREDATORY LENDING

But the biggest policy was regulators not enforcing lending standards.




Subprime mortgages amounted to $35 billion (5% of total originations) in 1994, 9% in 1996, $160 billion (13%) in 1999, and $600 billion (20%) in 2006


A study by the Federal Reserve found that the average difference between subprime and prime mortgage
interest rates (the "subprime markup") declined significantly between 2001 and 2007. The combination of declining risk premiums and credit standards is common to boom and bust credit cycles


In addition to considering higher-risk borrowers, lenders had offered increasingly risky loan options and borrowing incentives. In 2005, the median down payment for first-time home buyers was 2%, with 43% of those buyers making no down payment whatsoever


http://www.stat.unc.edu/faculty/cji/fys/2012/Subprime mortgage crisis.pdf




The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed.
Politics Most Blatant: Conservatives Can’t Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis


Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse

 

[radical right]

\\
1. I never lie

2. Obama was an incompetent, unvetted, amateur who was elected because of his skin color.

If that were true, Jessie Jackson would have been president.

 

[jc456]

To this day, we can't confirm Obama was a citizen due to him releasing a 100% fraudulent birth certificate on April 27, 2011.

LOL..... I thought Trump clown already told you that Obama was born here in US?

Oh that? No! That was just a tactical strategic political maneuver by Trump to get the media off his back during the final stretch of the campaign.

Are you saying that Trump lied again? Oh my goodness.
Are you saying you and Trump cannot get their act together? OMG OMG.

how's that? he said he accepted it. he moved on. the fact still remains, no birth certificate has ever been produced. but we don't need to discuss details.

I didn't brought up the birth certificate------ Steve did.
Yes he did showed his birth certificate even Trump sent to investigate in Hawaii. Are you really this dumb JC?

I never said you did bring it up. WTF. Steve did, yep. and he never said anything on Hawaii. your point exactly. that wasn't a birth certificate. See the person that found that one, died. so, we have to start over.

 

[charwin95]

Thank you Dean Now that you've shone the light,, watch the cockroaches run for cover or lie their way out

Now....you know I never lie.


Everything in post #448 is factual, documented, linked and sourced.


Now what?

Sure you do. You lied big time.
You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect?
From there we are still recovering to this day.
You also ignored that the GOPs purposely tried very hard to bring him down for 8 years. Despite from that constipations ( that's right constipation) from the Republicans he manages to bring this country back.
Lo and behold ------- Americans mistakenly elected Trump ------- Now he is taking all credits of the recovery.

"You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect? "

1. The mess he inherited was due to Democrat policy.

2. He never improved it....because he is as inept as everyone who voted for melanin over competence.
Raise your paw.

1. So what is that supposed to mean? Obama did not inherit a bad economy? How many billions added to the deficit when bush invaded Iraq that we are still paying today?
2. Nope you are lying.

1. I never lie

2. Obama was an incompetent, unvetted, amateur who was elected because of his skin color.

3. While the mistake is clear and evident, the dumbest still cling to propaganda.
Raise your paw.

1, 2, 3. Yes you lied big time, Nope Americans vote Obama because he was the right choice, was elected twice by land slides. If he ran the third time he could have won and I will vote for him again.

 

[JonKoch]

LMAOROG, AH it all goes to the credit of Ronnie, even though BJ Bill had 4 surpluses while Ronnie quadrupled the deficit


BTW, 3 of those surpluses were after BJ Bill vetoed the GOP's $792+ billion tax cut, then Dubya was placed into office

Ronnie increased debt 189% Bubs

Bill 'the rapist' Clinton never had a surplus.

Ah another CONservative who doesn't live in reality. Hint a SURPLUS is in the YEARLY BUDGET. BJ Bill had 4 of those in 8 years, 3 after vetoing the GOP's $792+ billion tax cut. They came because BJ Bill without a single GOP vote in 1993 increased taxes (mainly on the richest) that brought US back to 19.5%-20% of GDP like Carter had US at before Ronnie tripled US debt

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.
The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton - FactCheck.org

Under the rapist, Bill Clinton, the national debt went up 41%.
There was never any surplus.....only brain dead drones believe the Democrat propaganda.


1. Would you like to see the actual national debt figures?

1993

4,351,044

1994

4,643,307

1995

4,920,586

1996

5,181,465

1997

5,369,206

1998

5,478,189

1999

5,605,523

2000

5,628,700



http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/ (table 7.1)

The table 7.1 will also show that he inherited a $4 trillion debt.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1950 - 1999

That means the debt increased 41% under Clinton.
And no wars or military build up to blame it on!



QED....no surplus.

Here Chic bash this
money to the Clinton Foundation does not go to the Clintons personally...? . If I set up a charitable trust, or any other "charitable organization", the money collected does not go to me but to the foundation/organization...unless I'm a crook...like trump
.
"The Clinton Foundation, founded in 1997 by former US President Bill Clinton [7] is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that describes its mission as to "strengthen the capacity of people in the United States and throughout the world to meet the challenges of global interdependence."[8] The charity watchdog group Charity Navigator, which has an ongoing relationship with the Foundation, gave it its highest possible rating, four out of four stars, after its customary review of the Foundation's financial records and tax statements.[9]"
.
"The Clinton Foundation has been praised as a force for good, and condemned as a "slush fund".[24]The fact-checking organization Politifact says it is mostly true that the Clintons take from the foundation no salary, no other money, and no personal benefit.[25] Supporters of the Clintons say that the controversy obscures valuable work done by the foundation.[26] Opponents say that the foundation made it possible for donors to gain access to Secretary Clinton, and influence her official actions.[24]"
.
"An August 30, 2016 editorial by the New York Times stated that there is no proof that donors to the foundation received special favors from Hillary Clinton when she was Secretary of State.[44] But, the Times says, there is reason to question where the Clinton Foundation ended and where the State Department began.[44]"
.

What does this have to do with the lie that Clinton had a surplus?


Speak up.

Sorry you are to willfully ignorant to understand what a yearly budget is and how BJ Bill had 4 surpluses

 

[JonKoch]

Obama saved the car companies. Saved the economy. Presided over more than 75 straight months of economic growth. Took an economy that was hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs a month, unemployment peaked at over 10% down to over 5 million jobs unfilled with unemployment at 4.7%. Remember during the election Republicans said his saying he would take down Bin Laden no matter what showed his inexperience. So what did he do? Took down Bin Laden. Republicans had to blackmail him into extending the Bush Tax cuts. Republicans blocked him from investigating the BP oil spill in the Gulf and he still got BP to pay 20 billion for clean up. Equal pay for equal work. Healthcare for millions more Americans. His list of achievements goes on and on. Even with Republicans calling him boy, tar baby, gay, attacking his children and calling his wife a transexual. Even with all that, he was successful. No scandal and no drama. The GOP tried, but like with everything else, thank God they failed.

Those are the facts and they can be proven.

Right wingers never tell the whole story:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/d...ich-presidents-have-been-best-for-the-economy

Unemployment skyrocketed under Reagan and then he was able to make corrections and it fell. Up again under Bush 1 and fell during the entire Clinton Administration, exploded under Bush 2 and fell dramatically over the entire 8 years under Obama.

Then you look at GDP:

There was growth in GDP under Reagan, but there were a lot of times where it was hugely negative.
Clinton was fantastic, but Bush 2 was devastating. Obama had two short periods of small negative growth but look at what he was given. Not only did the Republicans ruin the economy, move the wealth of the nation to the top 1%, but watched millions of jobs move overseas and over 42,000 factories close. They handed a ruined economy to Obama and took away the means of bringing in revenue. It was during that time it occurred to me the GOP wants this country destroyed.

then why did trump win?

Because of stupid Americans.

nice that you think have the country is stupid while you and your band of idiots play in fairytale land.

I hate calling people stupid BUT you did vote for this dunce in our WH this thin skinned ma mas boy

I voted for Trump and very fking proud of it. I know, not the reaction you wanted, but too bad for a you. can't get much done until the swamp is cleaned out. that may take more time cause we can't impeach a congress. I wish we could though.

Yes because electing a billionaire who surrounds himself with Banksters like the Goldman people is going to "drain the swamp"?


I guess gutting taxes on the rich and Corps will solve the problem with the swamp right? After all the top 1% are receiving 200%-300% more of national income they did 1945-1980 WHILE paying about 40% less taxes on the income.


THE INABILITY OF THE RIGHT TO NOT RECOGNIZE A CON GAME BEING PLAYED ON THEM, AGAIN, IS SAD!

 

[radical right]

Pssss! A little secret........ Presodent Franklin D Roosevelt told Stalin about our top highly classified secret that we were building an atomic bomb.

Winston Churchhill told FDR they broke the highly classified German enigma code.

That's what allies do.

 

[charwin95]

Now....you know I never lie.


Everything in post #448 is factual, documented, linked and sourced.


Now what?

Sure you do. You lied big time.
You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect?
From there we are still recovering to this day.
You also ignored that the GOPs purposely tried very hard to bring him down for 8 years. Despite from that constipations ( that's right constipation) from the Republicans he manages to bring this country back.
Lo and behold ------- Americans mistakenly elected Trump ------- Now he is taking all credits of the recovery.

the GOP was wrong. they should have been putting legislation on obummer's desk weekly and having to have him veto it. they were wrong, I'm not afraid to admit that. they are useless .

Not just useless.....they are allied with the enemy of America, the Democrats.

Democrats are Americans ------ it's the same ugly rhetoric coming from Trump ----- A clear and good example of dividing this country. What a fucked yo president. Keep it up.

they are? hahahahahahaaha sure bubba, sure. nope you all want illegals vs americans. ever hear of the words sanctuary city? oh yeah, your american, middle americans, not US americans.

You are very good in putting words in someone mouth. I never mentioned illegals and sanctuaries?

Making a comments like you and Trump that democrats are not Americans just like your previous post-------- Is a good example of dividing this country. That is why Trump will NEVER be a good president.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I never lie

That IS a lie!

So claims a liar.....which means...well, you get it.

 

[JonKoch]

1. I don't use language like that, but I have often found that those losing the argument, do.

2. You can't answer my posts because they are 100% true and correct.

3. 'Ruining America' should be reserved for the only President never to have guided our economy to even a 3% GDP....first in nearly a hundred years.

And....the first to encourage a nuclear arms race in the world.

Wadda guy, huh?

Obama saved the car companies. Saved the economy. Presided over more than 75 straight months of economic growth. Took an economy that was hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs a month, unemployment peaked at over 10% down to over 5 million jobs unfilled with unemployment at 4.7%. Remember during the election Republicans said his saying he would take down Bin Laden no matter what showed his inexperience. So what did he do? Took down Bin Laden. Republicans had to blackmail him into extending the Bush Tax cuts. Republicans blocked him from investigating the BP oil spill in the Gulf and he still got BP to pay 20 billion for clean up. Equal pay for equal work. Healthcare for millions more Americans. His list of achievements goes on and on. Even with Republicans calling him boy, tar baby, gay, attacking his children and calling his wife a transexual. Even with all that, he was successful. No scandal and no drama. The GOP tried, but like with everything else, thank God they failed.

Those are the facts and they can be proven.

Right wingers never tell the whole story:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/d...ich-presidents-have-been-best-for-the-economy

Unemployment skyrocketed under Reagan and then he was able to make corrections and it fell. Up again under Bush 1 and fell during the entire Clinton Administration, exploded under Bush 2 and fell dramatically over the entire 8 years under Obama.

Then you look at GDP:

There was growth in GDP under Reagan, but there were a lot of times where it was hugely negative.
Clinton was fantastic, but Bush 2 was devastating. Obama had two short periods of small negative growth but look at what he was given. Not only did the Republicans ruin the economy, move the wealth of the nation to the top 1%, but watched millions of jobs move overseas and over 42,000 factories close. They handed a ruined economy to Obama and took away the means of bringing in revenue. It was during that time it occurred to me the GOP wants this country destroyed.

Thank you Dean Now that you've shone the light,, watch the cockroaches run for cover or lie their way out

Now....you know I never lie.


Everything in post #448 is factual, documented, linked and sourced.


Now what?

Sure you do. You lied big time.
You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect?
From there we are still recovering to this day.
You also ignored that the GOPs purposely tried very hard to bring him down for 8 years. Despite from that constipations ( that's right constipation) from the Republicans he manages to bring this country back.
Lo and behold ------- Americans mistakenly elected Trump ------- Now he is taking all credits of the recovery.

"You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect? "

1. The mess he inherited was due to Democrat policy.

2. He never improved it....because he is as inept as everyone who voted for melanin over competence.
Raise your paw.

-

Yes the Dems passed 2 UNFUNDED tax cuts AND went to 2 UNFUNDED wars as they cheered on Dubya's housing bubble *shaking head*

DEMS WHEN IN CHARGE WHEN HOUSEHOLD DEBT DOUBLED 2001-2007?



From Bush's President's Working Group on Financial Markets March 2008

"The Presidents Working Group's March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007."

 

[charwin95]

Obama saved the car companies. Saved the economy. Presided over more than 75 straight months of economic growth. Took an economy that was hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs a month, unemployment peaked at over 10% down to over 5 million jobs unfilled with unemployment at 4.7%. Remember during the election Republicans said his saying he would take down Bin Laden no matter what showed his inexperience. So what did he do? Took down Bin Laden. Republicans had to blackmail him into extending the Bush Tax cuts. Republicans blocked him from investigating the BP oil spill in the Gulf and he still got BP to pay 20 billion for clean up. Equal pay for equal work. Healthcare for millions more Americans. His list of achievements goes on and on. Even with Republicans calling him boy, tar baby, gay, attacking his children and calling his wife a transexual. Even with all that, he was successful. No scandal and no drama. The GOP tried, but like with everything else, thank God they failed.

Those are the facts and they can be proven.

Right wingers never tell the whole story:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/d...ich-presidents-have-been-best-for-the-economy

Unemployment skyrocketed under Reagan and then he was able to make corrections and it fell. Up again under Bush 1 and fell during the entire Clinton Administration, exploded under Bush 2 and fell dramatically over the entire 8 years under Obama.

Then you look at GDP:

There was growth in GDP under Reagan, but there were a lot of times where it was hugely negative.
Clinton was fantastic, but Bush 2 was devastating. Obama had two short periods of small negative growth but look at what he was given. Not only did the Republicans ruin the economy, move the wealth of the nation to the top 1%, but watched millions of jobs move overseas and over 42,000 factories close. They handed a ruined economy to Obama and took away the means of bringing in revenue. It was during that time it occurred to me the GOP wants this country destroyed.

then why did trump win?

Because of stupid Americans.

nice that you think half the country is stupid while you and your band of idiots play in fairytale land.

Half of the country? Half of the country? Fairy tale.

Pathetically and anemically Trump only received 63 millions votes from 212 millions registered voters.
Now that 63 millions are slowly eroding.

no they are not. you're mistaken. prove me wrong.

Prove you wrong? You don't even know how many people voted for Trump? You don't even know people regret voting for Trump? Why even bother to post if you don't know anything?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now, calm down.
None of your post is true.

Trump, unlike your lord and savior, has actually accomplished things and proven to be a success.



The basis of your ire can be summed up in this:
" If they think they are going to give you your country back without a fight, you are mistaken. Every day, it is going to be a fight."" Steve Bannon

I hope America wins the fight.

From racist crap Bannon? It must be true. Trump is dividing and turning this country upside down as you can see idiot Trump is on the defensive mode every day.

Can't get over the election, and America kicking you to the curb, huh?


Excellent.

Don't ever change.

I never mentioned election. I'm just telling you the reality of what trump is doing to this country.

Reality????


Coming right up:

"In California, state planners and legislators focused on things such as outlawing plastic grocery bags while California’s roads and dams over three decades sank into decrepitude. The result is crumbling infrastructure that now threatens the very safety of the public. Powerful Californians with impressive degrees also came up with the loony and neo-Confederate idea of nullifying federal immigration law through sanctuary cities.

Sophisticated Washington, D.C., economists produced budgets for the last eight years that saw U.S. debt explode from $10 trillion to nearly $19 trillion, as economic growth sank to its lowest level since the Hoover administration.

For a year, most expert pundits and pollsters smugly assured the public of a certain Hillary Clinton victory — until the hour before she was overwhelmed in the Electoral College.

Rhodes Scholar and former U.N. ambassador Susan Rice lied repeatedly on national television about the Benghazi debacle."
Is the American Elite Really Elite?


And that's why America kicked you out.

Nah. You must be desperate using national review as your link. An ultra right wing bias media.

California is the 6th largest economy of the world. We must be doing something right.
Despite with largest populations ------- we are not the dirtiest, drugiest, ugliest, criminals, poorest states.

1." Nah. You must be desperate using national review as your link."

I've noticed that real dolts who can't dispute the facts claim not to accept the source.

'Are you raising your paw?????



2." California is the 6th largest economy of the world. We must be doing something right."
a. $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.


b. And guess what?

"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!

California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/



"Looking for the biggest Cinco de Mayo celebration in the world? Look no further than Fiesta Broadway in Los Angeles, where hundreds of thousands of people come out for food, music and crafts in a celebration of Hispanic heritage."
The Eagles formed after being the backing group for which singer?

 

[JonKoch]

Thank you Dean Now that you've shone the light,, watch the cockroaches run for cover or lie their way out

Now....you know I never lie.


Everything in post #448 is factual, documented, linked and sourced.


Now what?

Sure you do. You lied big time.
You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect?
From there we are still recovering to this day.
You also ignored that the GOPs purposely tried very hard to bring him down for 8 years. Despite from that constipations ( that's right constipation) from the Republicans he manages to bring this country back.
Lo and behold ------- Americans mistakenly elected Trump ------- Now he is taking all credits of the recovery.

"You purposely ignored that Obama inherited a lousy economy and the collapse of the housing industry. What do you expect? "

1. The mess he inherited was due to Democrat policy.

2. He never improved it....because he is as inept as everyone who voted for melanin over competence.
Raise your paw.

1. So what is that supposed to mean? Obama did not inherit a bad economy? How many billions added to the deficit when bush invaded Iraq that we are still paying today?
2. Nope you are lying.

1. I never lie

2. Obama was an incompetent, unvetted, amateur who was elected because of his skin color.

3. While the mistake is clear and evident, the dumbest still cling to propaganda.
Raise your paw.

"1. I never lie"

LMAOROG, Sure Bubbette you just conveniently forget Dubya's home ownership society AND the fact that Fannie/Freddie weren't the drivers of the Banksters subprime bubble, and blame the Dems who had zero power to stop Dubya