BREAKING: The Supreme Court is Likely to Uphold Presidential Immunity for Donald Trump..

almost all "white supremacists" are feds trolling for entrapment patsies.
I dunno about that. There are indeed some fucked people in our land.

I actually don’t challenge IQ2 on his contention that white supremacists are out there. They clearly are. Relatively small numbers. But idiots do exist.

The main problem with drooling simpletons like IQ2 is that they vastly overgeneralize their numbers. Tools like him see “white racism” under and over and around every rock.
 
I dunno about that. There are indeed some fucked people that our land.

I actually don’t challenge IQ2 on his contention that white supremacists are out there. They clearly are. Relatively small numbers. But idiots do exist.

The main problem with drooling simpletons like IQ2 is that they vastly overgeneralizes their numbers. Tools like him see “white racism” under and over and around every rock.
There are mostly none.
 
I listened to the hearing. As Chief Justice Roberts said, this isn't just about Trump. This is a ruling "for the ages".

They are trying to find a way to avoid criminal prosecution being weaponized the same way the hacks like Comer and Jordan are trying to weaponize impeachment while at the same time not allowing for a president to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue without consequence.

It's to be a splitting of hairs like we haven't seen in a while.
 
You may be wrong. But then again, it may be partially correct.

Since the preliminary issue is bound to be whether or not the challenged Presidential “act” comes within the ambit of the official duties of our President, it seems likely that this will be a preliminary hurdle to address by any President seeking to invoke presidential immunity.

Some cases may be bright line and glaringly obvious. But other cases may be more or less hazy. The difficulty does not amount to any valid basis to deny the Trump application, though.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, and I missed most of the questions today so I am not up to speed.

It sounded to me like they all agreed that official acts had immunity, and the question was how to separate official acts from personal or not official acts.

I imagine this must involve a test of some sort that the lower court applies to the acts in question, and a judge decides if an act falls in the protected category. That has to happen before a trial can commence, so an interlocutory appeal has to be available.

That process alone can take a long time, because each ruling could be appealed all the way to the SCOTUS (in theory), and that's where a final determination would be made.

Upshot being a criminal charge against a former POTUS will be a very time-consuming thing, since each act is potentially subject to a long judicial review process.

Or I am completely full of shit and misreading the whole question, lol.
 
No seriously

How Deep is the Deep State?
You claim they secretly run the Government

Show your math
it goes all the way to hell.

The Black Magic of Mental Warfare: A Retrospective on Michael Aquino's "From PSYOP To MindWar"​

BY DUKE SMALLHOUSE
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The late Lt. Colonel Michael Aquino led a bipolar and deeply controversial career. Known both as an Army veteran with decades of work in the psychological operations (PSYOP) community and as a high profile occultist and professed Satanist, Aquino has justifiably received his fair share of suspicion from the conspiracy theory world.
As an occultist, he was known for founding the Temple of Set, a radical offshoot of Anton Lavey's Church of Satan. The introduction to Aquino's autobiography Ghost Rides immodestly describes him as “arguably the greatest Black Magician of his generation.” (Intro, p15) Aquino first became interested in Satanism while serving in Vietnam, during which time he corresponded with Anton Lavey, founder of the Church of Satan. He became something of a protege to Lavey, rising through the ranks of the cult between 1969 and 1975. Eventually, dissatisfied with the non-literal, non-theistic Satanism of Lavey, Aquino broke ranks and founded the Temple of Set. A 1998 Washington Post profile on the Church of Satan describes Aquino's role as a schismatic:
As the years passed, Aquino grew more and more frustrated by LaVey's policies. In Aquino's eyes, LaVey had always refused to believe in Satan as an actual supernatural being. Now, the high priest was selling priesthoods in the church for cold cash. This undermined the true purpose of Satanism, Aquino thought, and reinforced the reputation of the church as a farcical sideshow. In 1975, Aquino left with many church members and priests (some say 28, he claims 100) to form the Temple of Set, a tightly organized religion that revolved around an Egyptian deity on whom the Hebraic Satan supposedly was based.
According to his CV (published on his website Xeper.org) Aquino's other occult affiliations included such obscure sects as the Order of the Trapezoid, the Rune-Gild, the Esoteric Order of Dagon (a bizarre cult modeled on the horror mythology of sci-fi author H.P. Lovecraft), and the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis. Aquino's sordid reputation has been further darkened by allegations of pedophilia associated with the Satanic Ritual Abuse scandal of the late 80s and 90s (this was discussed at some length in the 2020 documentary Out of Shadows).
But his career was not strictly limited to the black arts. A decorated Vietnam vet, Aquino boasted an extensive resume in psychological operations both during and after the war. Aquino's best known non-occult article, From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory was commissioned in 1980 at the request of Colonel Paul Vallely, at the time commander of the 7th PSYOP group. (Vallely is best known today as a Fox News military analyst and a conservative conspiracy theorist who, among other things, endorsed so-called “birther” theories about Barack Obama, and has defended the QAnon movement as a “whitehat” psychological operation. The precise relationship between the politics of Aquino and Vallely is difficult to determine.) Aquino's article proposed a supercharged revision of PSYOP doctrine in the wake of post-Vietnam disillusionment in the PSYOP community. Although not officially intended for publication, Aquino states that MindWar was circulated as a “talking paper” among “governmental offices, agencies, commands, and publications involved or interested in PSYOP” (p2) during the 1980s – apparently to lively response.
We read through MindWar, and found it worth discussing. Its circulation among unspecified government agencies, and the broader context of Aquino's occupational “double life” raise many points of concern which ramify far beyond the idiosyncrasies of a Vietnam vet self-styled as a black magician. On the surface, the article in itself is not particularly scandalous, as its primary focus is ostensibly psychological warfare against hostile foreign powers. But the author is sneaky (which should be no surprise, considering his infernal patronage), and the devil is in the details. Aquino's best act of black magic might indeed be the impossible rhetorical backflips by which he simultaneously pays lip service to the illegality of employing PSYOP against the American populace, while at the same time using innuendo and semantics to suggest that MindWar (which, according to the author, is not propaganda because it always tells the truth!) must in fact target the American populace as well as foreign adversaries.
In the next section, we break down points of interest in Aquino's article.
From PSYOP to MindWar: A Breakdown
From PSYOP to MindWar opens with a reflection on the then-nascent field of psychotronics, particularly “intelligence and operational employment of ESP.” (p4) Aquino calls such research “decidedly provocative,” but states that conventional communication technologies are adequate to the task of “map[ping] the minds of neutral and enemy individuals and then to change them in accordance with U.S. national interests.” (p4) Aquino elaborates:
[PSYOP] must strengthen our national will to victory and it must attack and ultimately destroy that of our enemy. It both causes and is affected by physical combat, but it is a type of war which is fought on a far more subtle basis as well - in the minds of the national populations involved. So let us begin with a simple name change. We shall rid ourselves of the self-conscious, almost "embarrassed" concept of "psychological operations". In its place we shall create Mind War. The term is harsh and fear-inspiring, and so it should be: It is a term of attack and victory - not one of the rationalization and coaxing and conciliation. The enemy may be offended by it; that is quite all right as long as he is defeated by it. A definition is offered: MindWar is the deliberate, aggressive convincing of all participants in a war that we will win that war. (p4-5)
Reflecting at length on the failure of Vietnam War era PSYOPs at home and abroad (he asks, elsewhere: “Was the United States defeated in the jungles of Vietnam, or was it defeated in the streets of American cities?” [p7]), Aquino lands on a disturbing point. He writes:
Like the sword Excalibur, we have but to reach out and seize this tool; and it can transform the world for us if we have the courage and the integrity to enhance civilization with it. If we do not accept Excalibur, then we relinquish our ability to inspire foreign cultures with our morality. If they then desire moralities unsatisfactory to us, we have no choice but to fight them on a more brutish level.
MindWar must target all participants if it is to be effective. It must not only weaken the enemy; it must strengthen the United States. It strengthens the United States by denying enemy propaganda access to our people, and by explaining and emphasizing to our people the rationale for our national interest in a specific war.Under existing United States law, PSYOP units may not target American citizens. That prohibition is based upon the presumption that "propaganda" is necessarily a lie or at least a misleading half-truth, and that the government has no right to lie to the people. The Propaganda Ministry of Goebbels must not be a part of the American way of life.Quite right, and so it must be axiomatic of MindWar that it always speaks the truth. Its power lies in its ability to focus recipients' attention on the truth of the future as well as that of the present. MindWar thus involves the stated promise of the truth that the United States has resolved to make real if it is not already so.
To this end MindWar must be strategic in emphasis, with tactical applications playing a reinforcing, supplementary role. In its strategic context, MindWar must reach out to friends, enemies, and neutrals alike across the globe - neither through primitive "battlefield" leaflets and loudspeakers of PSYOP nor through the weak, imprecise, and narrow effort of psychotronics - but through the media possessed by the United States which have the capabilities to reach virtually all people on the face of the Earth. These media are, of course, the electronic media. (p7)
This rebranding of PSYOP as MindWar is a sloppy and rather transparent attempt to bypass the patent illegality of using PSYOPS on the home front. This, in fact, is the main thrust of Aquino's whole argument. It becomes crystal clear that Aquino's rebranding initiative for psychological operations was ultimately aimed at finding a technical workaround to existing prohibitions against PSYOPing the American people.
Moreover, having only just condemned the domestic use of Nazi-style propaganda, Aquino claims that MindWar can be waged without deception, citing the orations of Kennedy and Hitler as glowing examples (notably, Aquino was well known for his strong interest in Nazi occultism – see Out of Shadows):
Unlike PSYOP, MindWar has nothing to do with deception or even with "selected" and therefore misleading - truth. Rather it states a whole truth that, if it does not now exist, will be forced into existence by the will of the United States. The examples of Kennedy's ultimatum to Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Hitler's stance at Munich might be cited. A MindWar message does not have to fit conditions of abstract credibility as do PSYOP themes; its source makes it credible. (p8)
Aquino's logic is admittedly baffling. How, precisely, does MindWar make any pretense to truth, when the very metric of said truth is based on nothing but an appeal to the dubious authority of the US government to bring about conditions that do not yet exist? If the argument of MindWar is rather obfuscated, a condensed version of its basic structure runs something like this (my words, not Aquino's):
Vietnam represented a failure of traditional “leaflet and loudspeaker” PSYOPs at home and abroad. Therefore, the PSYOP community must adopt new technologies and a more comprehensive ideology. However, the use of PSYOPs on the American people is illegal – but only because of the false notion that all propaganda is deceptive! Thus, PSYOP needs a makeover. Enter MindWar, which allegedly only tells the truth. As such, it eludes existing prohibitions on propagandizing American citizens. But what is truth? Truth is what we say it is. And if present conditions do not reflect said “truth,” we'll bring it about soon enough. Just take our word for it. You can trust us.
The conclusion of MindWar finally circles back to the question of psychotronics. Recall that Aquino opens his article with an ambivalent attitude toward so-called parapsychological techniques as ESP, claiming that existing technologies are more effective than supernatural forces for the purposes of psychological warfare. In this vein, he goes on to claim that natural environmental phenomena such as invisible electromagnetic wavelengths can be manipulated, in conjunction with media broadcasts, to exploit vulnerabilities in the human psyche, and thereby can make targets more susceptible to MindWar.
For the mind to believe in its own decisions, it must feel that it made those decisions without coercion. Coercive measures used by the operative, consequently, must not be detectable by ordinary means. There is no need to resort to mind-weakening drugs such as those explored by the CIA; in fact the exposure of a single such method would do unacceptable damage to MindWar' s reputation for truth.

 
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, and I missed most of the questions today so I am not up to speed.

It sounded to me like they all agreed that official acts had immunity, and the question was how to separate official acts from personal or not official acts.

I imagine this must involve a test of some sort that the lower court applies to the acts in question, and a judge decides if an act falls in the protected category. That has to happen before a trial can commence, so an interlocutory appeal has to be available.

That process alone can take a long time, because each ruling could be appealed all the way to the SCOTUS (in theory), and that's where a final determination would be made.

Upshot being a criminal charge against a former POTUS will be a very time-consuming thing, since each act is potentially subject to a long judicial review process.

Or I am completely full of shit and misreading the whole question, lol.
Asking questions doesn’t always signal what the jurists are going to do.

I do not accuse you of being full of shit.

All I am saying is that it looks to me as though the SCOTUS justices did their respective jobs. They seem to have read the briefs and understood the conflicting arguments. I believe their questions are laser focused on resolving those matters.

From my perspective, a lot of this is very well informed by the prior SCOTUS decision in Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731 (1982). There, the Court did determine that a President enjoys civil immunity for his actions as President made within the ambit of his legal and Constitutional authority. The logic behind that decision seems to clearly also support the Trump application to extend such immunity to criminal prosecutions — under the same provisions and terms.

It is my inference from the questions asked by the Justices today (or some of those questions, since I was also a late arriver) that the justices might very well proceed to grant the Trump application to some degree.

If that’s what they do, it will be premised on much of the very same analysis as led to the Fitzgerald decision. Yes. That is simply my estimation. We shall all soon see.
 
it goes all the way to hell.

The Black Magic of Mental Warfare: A Retrospective on Michael Aquino's "From PSYOP To MindWar"​

BY DUKE SMALLHOUSE
6286   0
the_black_magic_of_mental_warfare_michael_aquino






the_black_magic_of_mental_warfare_michael_aquin.original.jpg

The late Lt. Colonel Michael Aquino led a bipolar and deeply controversial career. Known both as an Army veteran with decades of work in the psychological operations (PSYOP) community and as a high profile occultist and professed Satanist, Aquino has justifiably received his fair share of suspicion from the conspiracy theory world.
As an occultist, he was known for founding the Temple of Set, a radical offshoot of Anton Lavey's Church of Satan. The introduction to Aquino's autobiography Ghost Rides immodestly describes him as “arguably the greatest Black Magician of his generation.” (Intro, p15) Aquino first became interested in Satanism while serving in Vietnam, during which time he corresponded with Anton Lavey, founder of the Church of Satan. He became something of a protege to Lavey, rising through the ranks of the cult between 1969 and 1975. Eventually, dissatisfied with the non-literal, non-theistic Satanism of Lavey, Aquino broke ranks and founded the Temple of Set. A 1998 Washington Post profile on the Church of Satan describes Aquino's role as a schismatic:

According to his CV (published on his website Xeper.org) Aquino's other occult affiliations included such obscure sects as the Order of the Trapezoid, the Rune-Gild, the Esoteric Order of Dagon (a bizarre cult modeled on the horror mythology of sci-fi author H.P. Lovecraft), and the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis. Aquino's sordid reputation has been further darkened by allegations of pedophilia associated with the Satanic Ritual Abuse scandal of the late 80s and 90s (this was discussed at some length in the 2020 documentary Out of Shadows).
But his career was not strictly limited to the black arts. A decorated Vietnam vet, Aquino boasted an extensive resume in psychological operations both during and after the war. Aquino's best known non-occult article, From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory was commissioned in 1980 at the request of Colonel Paul Vallely, at the time commander of the 7th PSYOP group. (Vallely is best known today as a Fox News military analyst and a conservative conspiracy theorist who, among other things, endorsed so-called “birther” theories about Barack Obama, and has defended the QAnon movement as a “whitehat” psychological operation. The precise relationship between the politics of Aquino and Vallely is difficult to determine.) Aquino's article proposed a supercharged revision of PSYOP doctrine in the wake of post-Vietnam disillusionment in the PSYOP community. Although not officially intended for publication, Aquino states that MindWar was circulated as a “talking paper” among “governmental offices, agencies, commands, and publications involved or interested in PSYOP” (p2) during the 1980s – apparently to lively response.
We read through MindWar, and found it worth discussing. Its circulation among unspecified government agencies, and the broader context of Aquino's occupational “double life” raise many points of concern which ramify far beyond the idiosyncrasies of a Vietnam vet self-styled as a black magician. On the surface, the article in itself is not particularly scandalous, as its primary focus is ostensibly psychological warfare against hostile foreign powers. But the author is sneaky (which should be no surprise, considering his infernal patronage), and the devil is in the details. Aquino's best act of black magic might indeed be the impossible rhetorical backflips by which he simultaneously pays lip service to the illegality of employing PSYOP against the American populace, while at the same time using innuendo and semantics to suggest that MindWar (which, according to the author, is not propaganda because it always tells the truth!) must in fact target the American populace as well as foreign adversaries.
In the next section, we break down points of interest in Aquino's article.
From PSYOP to MindWar: A Breakdown
From PSYOP to MindWar opens with a reflection on the then-nascent field of psychotronics, particularly “intelligence and operational employment of ESP.” (p4) Aquino calls such research “decidedly provocative,” but states that conventional communication technologies are adequate to the task of “map[ping] the minds of neutral and enemy individuals and then to change them in accordance with U.S. national interests.” (p4) Aquino elaborates:

Reflecting at length on the failure of Vietnam War era PSYOPs at home and abroad (he asks, elsewhere: “Was the United States defeated in the jungles of Vietnam, or was it defeated in the streets of American cities?” [p7]), Aquino lands on a disturbing point. He writes:

This rebranding of PSYOP as MindWar is a sloppy and rather transparent attempt to bypass the patent illegality of using PSYOPS on the home front. This, in fact, is the main thrust of Aquino's whole argument. It becomes crystal clear that Aquino's rebranding initiative for psychological operations was ultimately aimed at finding a technical workaround to existing prohibitions against PSYOPing the American people.
Moreover, having only just condemned the domestic use of Nazi-style propaganda, Aquino claims that MindWar can be waged without deception, citing the orations of Kennedy and Hitler as glowing examples (notably, Aquino was well known for his strong interest in Nazi occultism – see Out of Shadows):

Aquino's logic is admittedly baffling. How, precisely, does MindWar make any pretense to truth, when the very metric of said truth is based on nothing but an appeal to the dubious authority of the US government to bring about conditions that do not yet exist? If the argument of MindWar is rather obfuscated, a condensed version of its basic structure runs something like this (my words, not Aquino's):

The conclusion of MindWar finally circles back to the question of psychotronics. Recall that Aquino opens his article with an ambivalent attitude toward so-called parapsychological techniques as ESP, claiming that existing technologies are more effective than supernatural forces for the purposes of psychological warfare. In this vein, he goes on to claim that natural environmental phenomena such as invisible electromagnetic wavelengths can be manipulated, in conjunction with media broadcasts, to exploit vulnerabilities in the human psyche, and thereby can make targets more susceptible to MindWar.




Anyone with Handlebar Eyebrows must be DEEP STATE
 
No seriously

How Deep is the Deep State?
You claim they secretly run the Government

Show your math

First things first, ya dishonest jerkoff.

Feel very obligated to quote me ever saying that the deep state “runs” the government.

Here is a a helpful hint to twits like Leftwhiner:

One can both maintain that there IS a deep state and yet NOT ascribe to it all the powers of government.
 
First things first, ya dishonest jerkoff.

Feel very obligated to quote me ever saying that the deep state “runs” the government.

Here is a a helpful hint to twits like Leftwhiner:

One can both maintain that there IS a deep state and yet NOT ascribe to it all the powers of government.
OK Skippy

What does your Fantasy Deep State actually do?
 
OK Skippy

What does your Fantasy Deep State actually do?
Ok, fuckstick.

“Deep state” has a meaning.

Do you have any clue as to what it means?

No. Of course you don’t.

Gfy.

Not to be too dismissive. Although that’s all your sophistry is ever worth.

The deep state (you ignorant twat) consists of many holdovers from prior administrations. The positions of the current administration on matters of state (international affairs) or on how to administer justice (as in the DOJ) may be hampered by bureaucratic resistance from those holdovers.

No. It doesn’t necessarily denote a shadow government.
 
Listen to this! See what you think. This is what he thinks likely will happen..

BREAKING: The Supreme Court is Likely to Uphold Presidential Immunity for Donald Trump​



"The Supreme Court on Thursday appeared ready to reject Donald Trump’s sweeping claim that he is immune from prosecution on charges of trying to subvert the 2020 election, but in a way that is likely to significantly delay his stalled federal trial in the nation’s capital."
 
First things first, ya dishonest jerkoff.

Feel very obligated to quote me ever saying that the deep state “runs” the government.
"Unless his name is Trump. He gets prosecuted on such bullshit. By the deep state."


On a search "deep state" by you -- there comes up 5 pages
 
Lib babies won’t get their frame up so let’s speculate what will be said/done
USSC sucks and their malfeasance must go to USSC
Thinker are reading and hearing this decision incorrectly.
It will be appealed .
18 and 19 year old pro Hamas students will block roads in areas where justices live
Time for a new epidemic
Illegals feel this is illegal
 

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