Brothers Out for a Sunday Drive in New York

[Katzndogz]

The bottom line is this...anyone who is hating on the youngsters enjoying liberty HATE FREEDOM. It reminds of the tragic movie EASY RIDER. Sure these kids are not the brightest kids out there, but they represent freedom which is why neocon evangelist homos hate them.

Freedom? Not hardly. Freedom is the ability to be safe and happy going about your business without fear of being attacked for no reason. These assholes have to gang up together because they are such cowards, and then go out and terrorize some poor family. FUCK THAT, FUCK THEM, And fuck you too for thinking that that is OK.

You forgot the freedom to go around beating up whoever you don't like. That's the freedom these thugs didn't have. That's the freedom liberals think they should have. There is no freedom to defend yourself though. That's where government interference becomes necessary.

 

[Sarah G]

You can't mow down people because they are in the crossfire. You also can't leave the scene of a crime or accident.

There is no SYG law in NYC. Even if there were the occupants of the SUV had no "Reasonable Fear of Death" or "Great Bodily Harm" if they had stayed stopped at the scene. The bikers had not entered his SUV at that point, so he was safe. The bikers let the SUV driver live even after he ran over fellow bikers.

Hell George Zimmerman under SYG in Florida was only allowed to use force because Trayvon Martin initiated beating & said he was going to die & continued beating GZ who did not fight back.

I like this. You can't leave the scene of a crime, so if you are the victim of a crime you can't leave because that's leaving the scene.

Driving is not a constitutional right. If you want to drive you agree to the rules of the road. You can't run into someone who brake checks you. You can't mow people down or road rage. Some States have SYG that protects you inside your car, but not NYC. But none of the bikers went inside the passenger compartment or injures anyone until the SUV driver tried to kill them.

The bikers may have initiated the confrontation, but the SUV driver started the violence & attempted murder.

Uhm, no. That guy was terrified and only trying to get away from the road rage. I would have done the same thing. He was attempting to save his family from those jerks.

 

[westwall]

The gang is a black and Hispanic/Latino gang.

With links to the crips and the Latin kings.

They attack anyone, rarely do they pick victims on race, just availability!!

The tactic of swooping into lane ahead of expensive vehicles and braking is a known tactic of criminal gangs.
It was used frequently on Florida's lawless highways before SYG made them safe. They used to target tourists, dozens were murdered every summer.
SYG fixed that though.
NYC is disarmed, the gangs know this.
NYPD are afraid of their own shadows and can't shoot ,the gangs know this.
NYC politicians are soft on real crime, tough on cigarettes and soda, the gangs know this.

Criminals prefer unarmed victims.

good self defense or SYG laws would stop this

dead in its tracks

Worked in Florida.

The TM case aside, yes it has, many, many times for black folks in bad neighborhoods.

 

[westwall]

Maybe this is going to be the Chinese George Zimmerman and start it all over again.

Since the cyclists were trying to smash into the car and had slashed the tires, the driver was in reasonable fear of his life and the lives of his family and was justified in driving away. That's why he isn't being charged with any crime.

There is no SYG law, which means, someone threatened has an obligation to retreat, which is what the driver did. There was just someone in his way and he did the only thing he could, run over him.

His tire was likely damaged when he ran over the bikers. Also slashing a tire is not reasonable fear of life in NYC. The SUV driver did not have to floor it without warning & run over other bikers who may have been witness for him or stopped any attempted assault.

50+ thugs banging on your car, smashing the windows and trying to drag you out of your car isn't cause to fear for your life? You're batshit crazy.

 

[KissMy]

Maybe this is going to be the Chinese George Zimmerman and start it all over again.

Since the cyclists were trying to smash into the car and had slashed the tires, the driver was in reasonable fear of his life and the lives of his family and was justified in driving away. That's why he isn't being charged with any crime.

There is no SYG law, which means, someone threatened has an obligation to retreat, which is what the driver did. There was just someone in his way and he did the only thing he could, run over him.

His tire was likely damaged when he ran over the bikers. Also slashing a tire is not reasonable fear of life in NYC. The SUV driver did not have to floor it without warning & run over other bikers who may have been witness for him or stopped any attempted assault.

50+ thugs banging on your car, smashing the windows and trying to drag you out of your car isn't cause to fear for your life? You're batshit crazy.

That did not happen until after the SUV driver tried to kill several bikers. Even then he was allowed to live & his wife & child were not harmed. They never tried to harm him until he mowed them down.

If I am walking down the street packing my constitutionally protected AR15 yelling KKK propaganda & 50 blacks come by, can I legally start shooting them because I am afraid?

 

[Katzndogz]

We know what the thugs intended, because of what they eventually did. They beat him unconscious and slashed his face.

 

[rightwinger]

The bikers seemed to single him out for harrassment as he was driving. Didn't turn out well for the bikers

But, I guess that is how you learn

 

[Jackson]

His tire was likely damaged when he ran over the bikers. Also slashing a tire is not reasonable fear of life in NYC. The SUV driver did not have to floor it without warning & run over other bikers who may have been witness for him or stopped any attempted assault.

50+ thugs banging on your car, smashing the windows and trying to drag you out of your car isn't cause to fear for your life? You're batshit crazy.

That did not happen until after the SUV driver tried to kill several bikers. Even then he was allowed to live & his wife & child were not harmed. They never tried to harm him until he mowed them down.

From the OP's link...

Alexian Lien's Range Rover was surrounded by several bikers on the West Side Highway on Sunday. One biker apparently cut the driver off and slammed on the brakes just before the SUV bumped his rear tire. But when Lien — who was driving his wife, Rosalyn, and their 2-year-old child — stopped, several bikers began to damage his SUV. Lien fled, striking one biker. But the group caught up to him and pummeled him before cops arrived.

Read more: PICTURED: Wealthy couple attacked by wild pack of motorcyclists after harrowing 4-mile chase on the West Side Highway following fender bender turned hit-and-run ? driver fled after running over biker - NY Daily News

The bikers were thugs.

 

[KissMy]

The bikers were thugs.

Can I kill thugs for property damage in NYC?

That is only allowed in Texas at night due to the castle doctrine.

 

[Missourian]

By watching the video you can see that the biker who "brake checked" the SUV is not injured. It was a biker witness who had stopped in front of the SUV. He was completely ran over (breaking his spine) by the passenger side of the SUV as it illegally took off from the scene.

The SUV did not illegally take off from the scene. The police verified that he was under attack (before the video) and had the right to flee in fear of his life, not to mention his wife and kid's.

The injured biker was just part of the thug gang, most of which had illegal licence plates and stolen bikes. He knew they were up to no good and causing trouble, he chose to be with them.

If you hang out with thugs and get caught in their crossfire, you'll get no sympathy from me.

You can't mow down people because they are in the crossfire. You also can't leave the scene of a crime or accident.

There is no SYG law in NYC. Even if there were the occupants of the SUV had no "Reasonable Fear of Death" or "Great Bodily Harm" if they had stayed stopped at the scene. The bikers had not entered his SUV at that point, so he was safe. The bikers let the SUV driver live even after he ran over fellow bikers.

Hell George Zimmerman under SYG in Florida was only allowed to use force because Trayvon Martin initiated beating & said he was going to die & continued beating GZ who did not fight back.

You are dead wrong here KissMy.

The biker that was run down was intentionally blocking Liens path of escape.

 

[KissMy]

The SUV did not illegally take off from the scene. The police verified that he was under attack (before the video) and had the right to flee in fear of his life, not to mention his wife and kid's.

The injured biker was just part of the thug gang, most of which had illegal licence plates and stolen bikes. He knew they were up to no good and causing trouble, he chose to be with them.

If you hang out with thugs and get caught in their crossfire, you'll get no sympathy from me.

You can't mow down people because they are in the crossfire. You also can't leave the scene of a crime or accident.

There is no SYG law in NYC. Even if there were the occupants of the SUV had no "Reasonable Fear of Death" or "Great Bodily Harm" if they had stayed stopped at the scene. The bikers had not entered his SUV at that point, so he was safe. The bikers let the SUV driver live even after he ran over fellow bikers.

Hell George Zimmerman under SYG in Florida was only allowed to use force because Trayvon Martin initiated beating & said he was going to die & continued beating GZ who did not fight back.

You are dead wrong here KissMy.

Show Me the NYC law that says you can mow down people caught in the crossfire.

 

[rightwinger]

You can't mow down people because they are in the crossfire. You also can't leave the scene of a crime or accident.

There is no SYG law in NYC. Even if there were the occupants of the SUV had no "Reasonable Fear of Death" or "Great Bodily Harm" if they had stayed stopped at the scene. The bikers had not entered his SUV at that point, so he was safe. The bikers let the SUV driver live even after he ran over fellow bikers.

Hell George Zimmerman under SYG in Florida was only allowed to use force because Trayvon Martin initiated beating & said he was going to die & continued beating GZ who did not fight back.

You are dead wrong here KissMy.

Show Me the NYC law that says you can mow down people caught in the crossfire.

Article 35 - Penal Law - Defense of Justification

A parent, guardian or other person entrusted with the care and
supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one or an incompetent
person, and a teacher or other person entrusted with the care and
supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one for a special
purpose, may use physical force, but not deadly physical force, upon
such person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it
necessary to maintain discipline or to promote the welfare of such
person

 

[Missourian]

You can't mow down people because they are in the crossfire. You also can't leave the scene of a crime or accident.

There is no SYG law in NYC. Even if there were the occupants of the SUV had no "Reasonable Fear of Death" or "Great Bodily Harm" if they had stayed stopped at the scene. The bikers had not entered his SUV at that point, so he was safe. The bikers let the SUV driver live even after he ran over fellow bikers.

Hell George Zimmerman under SYG in Florida was only allowed to use force because Trayvon Martin initiated beating & said he was going to die & continued beating GZ who did not fight back.

You are dead wrong here KissMy.

Show Me the NYC law that says you can mow down people caught in the crossfire.

There was no crossfire, and this guy wasn't "caught" in it...he was an active participant in an illegal activity.

 

[KissMy]

You are dead wrong here KissMy.

Show Me the NYC law that says you can mow down people caught in the crossfire.

Article 35 - Penal Law - Defense of Justification

A parent, guardian or other person entrusted with the care and
supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one or an incompetent
person, and a teacher or other person entrusted with the care and
supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one for a special
purpose, may use physical force, but not deadly physical force, upon
such person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it
necessary to maintain discipline or to promote the welfare of such
person

That law does not justify deadly force or severe injury caring for a child. It also does not justify not justify deadly force or severe injury to halt property damage. Maybe in Texas at night it is allowed, but not in NYC law.

"but not deadly physical force, upon such person"

 

[rightwinger]

Show Me the NYC law that says you can mow down people caught in the crossfire.

Article 35 - Penal Law - Defense of Justification

A parent, guardian or other person entrusted with the care and
supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one or an incompetent
person, and a teacher or other person entrusted with the care and
supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one for a special
purpose, may use physical force, but not deadly physical force, upon
such person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it
necessary to maintain discipline or to promote the welfare of such
person

That law does not justify deadly force or severe injury caring for a child. It also does not justify not justify deadly force or severe injury to halt property damage. Maybe in Texas at night it is allowed, but not in NYC law.

"but not deadly physical force, upon such person"

Strike 2

A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use
physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she
reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a
third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or
imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person

 

[rightwinger]

Family involved in SUV-biker clash was in 'fear for our lives' - U.S. News

Our fear for our lives was confirmed when the incident ended with the ruthless and brutal attack on my husband, me, and, most importantly, our two-year-old child," the statement said.

"We believe that anyone faced with this sort of grave danger would have taken the same course of action in order to protect their family."

 

[KissMy]

Family involved in SUV-biker clash was in 'fear for our lives' - U.S. News

Our fear for our lives was confirmed when the incident ended with the ruthless and brutal attack on my husband, me, and, most importantly, our two-year-old child," the statement said.

"We believe that anyone faced with this sort of grave danger would have taken the same course of action in order to protect their family."

She doesn't say fear was confirmed prior to mowing down other bikers. Also there was no attempted harming of her or their child.

 

[westwall]

His tire was likely damaged when he ran over the bikers. Also slashing a tire is not reasonable fear of life in NYC. The SUV driver did not have to floor it without warning & run over other bikers who may have been witness for him or stopped any attempted assault.

50+ thugs banging on your car, smashing the windows and trying to drag you out of your car isn't cause to fear for your life? You're batshit crazy.

That did not happen until after the SUV driver tried to kill several bikers. Even then he was allowed to live & his wife & child were not harmed. They never tried to harm him until he mowed them down.

If I am walking down the street packing my constitutionally protected AR15 yelling KKK propaganda & 50 blacks come by, can I legally start shooting them because I am afraid?

That is immaterial. There is ample video evidence that they have done this before to other victims. It's a game to these thugs.

 

[westwall]

Family involved in SUV-biker clash was in 'fear for our lives' - U.S. News

Our fear for our lives was confirmed when the incident ended with the ruthless and brutal attack on my husband, me, and, most importantly, our two-year-old child," the statement said.

"We believe that anyone faced with this sort of grave danger would have taken the same course of action in order to protect their family."

She doesn't say fear was confirmed prior to mowing down other bikers. Also there was no attempted harming of her or their child.

And it is unlikely that they would have been, however THEY didn't know, that and based on the prior behavior of these thugs, it would have been unknowable. Your defense of these assholes is very sad.

 

[KissMy]

Family involved in SUV-biker clash was in 'fear for our lives' - U.S. News

Our fear for our lives was confirmed when the incident ended with the ruthless and brutal attack on my husband, me, and, most importantly, our two-year-old child," the statement said.

"We believe that anyone faced with this sort of grave danger would have taken the same course of action in order to protect their family."

She doesn't say fear was confirmed prior to mowing down other bikers. Also there was no attempted harming of her or their child.

And it is unlikely that they would have been, however THEY didn't know, that and based on the prior behavior of these thugs, it would have been unknowable. Your defense of these assholes is very sad.

We are a nation of laws. Disregarding them due to media stirred emotion will only result in mob rule. The District Attorney will not charge bikers beating on the SUV because they were not endangering the life of the people inside. Only the violent vigilante ones will be charged if caught. They should also charge the SUV driver. He should have to pay for the injuries to the bikers, not try to stick us tax payers with his negligence.