Buh Bye Obamacare

[busybee01]

how awesome is this??
Department of Justice Declares ObamaCare To Be Unconstitutional and the Progressive Meltdown Begins

It always was.

'Awesome'? I would not call it that. I would call it anything BUT 'awesome'.

Democrats DESTROYED the previous system of health care insurance and replaced it with Obamacare, quietly admitting the whole time - as Harry Reid did - that it was a temporary stepping-stone to 'Single Payer'. Reid added a year or so after it was passed that it was 'designed to fail' but that it was failing way earlier than they had hoped.

There is nothing in place to go to if Obamacare either dies or dissolves. That doesn't bother Democrats that much because they wanted to 'HERD' the American people into 'Single Payer' anyway, stripping them of more choice, more control, and into more of the role of being a controlled 'sheep'.

Once again the politicians (Democrats especially, declared, 'Hi, I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help' (10 of the scariest words you will ever hear), they created the PROBLEM 1st, then come up with the solution (that is almost always worse than the problem they created and definitely worse than we had it before they showed up to begin with).

So, NO...I am not surprised, but this is not 'awesome'.

The fact is that the system had huge problems. More people were unable to buy insurance so they waited until their were sicker and it became more expensive when they visited the emergency room and were unable to pay. That was being passed to paying customers. People were gaming the system and not buying insurance when they were healthy and then buying insurance when they got sick. That was passed on to paying customers.

The fact is that Republicans did not have a plan to counter Obamacare. They had 8 years to come up with one and still do not have one.

The fact is that Obamacare did work. The number of people who have insurance has increased. The question becomes how to fix other aspects of it. The question is how to fix it not rto tell people with pre-existing conditions to drop dead which is what people like you are advocating.

They do, they have a ton of them.
The biggest problem with insurance is people cant pick it like they do car insurance. it would be much cheaper if they could. That's one of the reasons to remove the state rules which pick which can and can not insure within the state.

You need regulators to ensure that companies can pay out the benefits that they are promising. You cannot have just anyone selling insurance.

 

[g5000]

I don't agree that the mandate was unconstitutional whether it was a tax or not. The mandate had a reason for being and it was to prevent freeloaders from gaming the system. They refuse to buy insurance when they are healthy and then buy insurance when they are sick then drop it when they are healthy. They commit a fraud on the system. The mandate was created by a conservative Heritage Foundation to lower insurance costs.

I find it hilarious you call the people who choose not to buy insurance "freeloaders".

The freeloaders are the high school dropouts who receive health insurance subsidies paid for by taxpayers like me for the rest of their lives.

One third of all "involutarily uninsured" people are high school dropouts, and I have to pay for their bad life choices.

You have a lot of nerve calling someone a freeloader when they will be forced to buy insurance, at much higher rates than they would have, in order to carry others on their backs.

A lot of goddam nerve.

You are the one who has the goddam nerve.

Freeloaders were people who gamed the insurance industry by committing a fraud against it and ultimately me. These were people who were perfectly capable of buying and paying the insurance premiums. Instead they left people like me holding the bag and paying. I support either a mandate or requiring a 6 month waiting period if you do not have continuous coverage.

The subsidies are one of the provisions that have the most support because people agree we should help people who need it. That being said, they also realize that Obamacare has issues and that is why they want it fixed. That is why I hope a lot of these Democrat moderates running in the House and Senate win. So we can fix Obamacare and lower the costs.

Look at the rhetoric you are using. "Gaming the system". You are parroting words given to you to parrot. You have no evidence to support this. Show me they are a net cost to taxpayers.

It's a fact that one third of the involuntarily uninsured are high school dropouts. Those are the freeloaders who taxpayers are carrying on their backs. They are costing far, far, far, far more than what your made-up "freeloaders" cost.

You are parroting the word "freeloaders". That was a left wing talking point. That word was deliberately attached to the people being forced to pay high insurance rates against their will.

It's fucking Orwellian.

The mandate is forcing people to not only buy insurance, it is forcing them to pay much higher rates in order to carry the REAL freeloaders. That's the whole reason the mandate exists! To pay for the subsidies of the real freeloaders.

So like I said. You have a lot of goddam nerve. You drank the piss.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I don't agree that the mandate was unconstitutional whether it was a tax or not. The mandate had a reason for being and it was to prevent freeloaders from gaming the system. They refuse to buy insurance when they are healthy and then buy insurance when they are sick then drop it when they are healthy. They commit a fraud on the system. The mandate was created by a conservative Heritage Foundation to lower insurance costs.

I find it hilarious you call the people who choose not to buy insurance "freeloaders".

The freeloaders are the high school dropouts who receive health insurance subsidies paid for by taxpayers like me for the rest of their lives.

One third of all "involutarily uninsured" people are high school dropouts, and I have to pay for their bad life choices.

You have a lot of nerve calling someone a freeloader when they will be forced to buy insurance, at much higher rates than they would have, in order to carry others on their backs.

A lot of goddam nerve.

You are the one who has the goddam nerve.

Freeloaders were people who gamed the insurance industry by committing a fraud against it and ultimately me. These were people who were perfectly capable of buying and paying the insurance premiums. Instead they left people like me holding the bag and paying. I support either a mandate or requiring a 6 month waiting period if you do not have continuous coverage.

The subsidies are one of the provisions that have the most support because people agree we should help people who need it. That being said, they also realize that Obamacare has issues and that is why they want it fixed. That is why I hope a lot of these Democrat moderates running in the House and Senate win. So we can fix Obamacare and lower the costs.

well that's why freeloaders need to pay cash...problem solved...they either get it or they pay out of pocket.......people would sign up.....

 

[jc456]

Obama said he would not raise taxes on the Middle Class as he presented Obamacare as something other than a tax.

However, when it got to SCOTUS they said it had to be a tax to be somewhat Constitutional, so they said it was one even though it was presented as something other than a tax.

Now that the GOP ended the mandate it can no loner be a tax, so away it goes.

Obamacare ended up being the largest tax on the Middle class in US history.

Now Dims will have to sell the Single payer system to the country, probably as anything but a tax, once more.

The ACA was funded without taxing the Middle Class.

Where is Trump's plan? over 500 days & he hasx presented nothing to replace the ACA.

Uh, yes it was, perm,iums and deductibles skyrocketed under Obama care. I not only saw the news reports, I saw my own premiums and deductibles go way up.....fuck Obamacare

They are skyrocketing even more under Republicans. Even Tom Price who was the head of HHS under Trump says getting rid of the mandate will cause rates to go up even more.

It wasn't this way BEFORE Obamacare...now we have to fix this shit...but get no help from democrats.....who apparently love to see people suffer.


we will fix it...but we cant override a filibuster.

Republicans have made no effort to reach out to Democrats. Not even moderates like Manchin or Heitkamp. The reason is simple. Republicans have said that their plan is to repeal not replace Obamacare. That would hurt the people of West Virginia as a high percentage of the residents receive Obamacare subsidies.
That would hurt rural hospitals in North Dakota.

no democrat went for a repeal and replace. none. not even Manchin and Heitkamp. neither. so don't go there bubba.

 

[buckeye45_73]

House Passes Measure to Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Act

That headline is a lie. That bill did not actually repeal ObamaCare. If you read the bill for yourself, instead of parroting what you are told to parrot, you would know this.

Trump counts on people like you being parroting rubes who do not think for themselves. Absolutely counts on it.

You keep getting hoaxed and you STILL have not caught on.

Neither Trump nor the GOP ever intended to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Nor do they have the ability to do so.

Trump is a weak pussy who can't get the hard shit done. And the lickspittles in Congress are even weaker, spineless lackeys.

But as long as fools like you keep bleeving what you are told to bleev, they will get away with it.

I disagree,
That was one bill....I posted it to show the lefties that stuff was passed, but couldn't move in the senate.
as for congress, they are a bunch of pussies, I agree....I really hate the senate.....but it is what it is
Trump does get shit done...a ton of it.....so because you hate him doesn't mean you have to lie about it.
To say Trump didn't get stuff done is like the people who said he's a failure in life.....it's people that are just retarded...

 

[busybee01]

You are in no position to make that judgement. You seem to think you have some special position that allows you to make judgements. Republicans are relying on a judge to legislate from the bench. That seems okay to you.

Wow. You do realize that Roberts "legislated" from the bench, right? The Gov was arguing that it wasn't a tax, he decided it WAS a tax and thus it the mandate was "Constitutional".

I don't agree that the mandate was unconstitutional whether it was a tax or not. The mandate had a reason for being and it was to prevent freeloaders from gaming the system. They refuse to buy insurance when they are healthy and then buy insurance when they are sick then drop it when they are healthy. They commit a fraud on the system. The mandate was created by a conservative Heritage Foundation to lower insurance costs.

Sure it was . Figures you don’t see that.

'An individual mandate to purchase healthcare was initially proposed by the politically conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 as an alternative to single-payer health care.[13][14][15][16][17] Stuart Butler, an early supporter of the individual mandate at the Heritage Foundation, wrote:

If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance.[18]

The Heritage Foundation changed its position in 2011, calling the individual mandate unconstitutional.[19]

From its inception, the idea of an individual mandate was championed by Republican politicians as a free-market approach to health care reform.[18][20] Supporters included Charles Grassley, Mitt Romney, and the late John Chafee.[21] The individual mandate was felt to resonate with conservative principles of individual responsibility, and conservative groups recognized that the healthcare market was unique.'

Health insurance mandate - Wikipedia

It figures because I don't like people who commit a fraud against me that I have to pay for. You apparently have no conscience.

You apparently cannot stand to be corrected. Roberts labeled it a tax and cast the deciding vote. It has nothing to do with me. It simply is what it is. Now.....if you need to yell at someone yell at Roberts.

So what. Roberts was right to allow the mandate even if he had to go through legalistic gymnastics to do it. I am yelling at you because you are the one who insists it is unconstitutional.

 

[g5000]

America is engendering laziness and an entitlement mentality. "Gimme gimme gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it."

From tax expenditures to forced insurance mandates to federal subsidies to "you didn't build that".

This bullshit has to end. We need to roll back federal incrementalism.

 

[jc456]

how awesome is this??
Department of Justice Declares ObamaCare To Be Unconstitutional and the Progressive Meltdown Begins

It always was.

'Awesome'? I would not call it that. I would call it anything BUT 'awesome'.

Democrats DESTROYED the previous system of health care insurance and replaced it with Obamacare, quietly admitting the whole time - as Harry Reid did - that it was a temporary stepping-stone to 'Single Payer'. Reid added a year or so after it was passed that it was 'designed to fail' but that it was failing way earlier than they had hoped.

There is nothing in place to go to if Obamacare either dies or dissolves. That doesn't bother Democrats that much because they wanted to 'HERD' the American people into 'Single Payer' anyway, stripping them of more choice, more control, and into more of the role of being a controlled 'sheep'.

Once again the politicians (Democrats especially, declared, 'Hi, I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help' (10 of the scariest words you will ever hear), they created the PROBLEM 1st, then come up with the solution (that is almost always worse than the problem they created and definitely worse than we had it before they showed up to begin with).

So, NO...I am not surprised, but this is not 'awesome'.

The fact is that the system had huge problems. More people were unable to buy insurance so they waited until their were sicker and it became more expensive when they visited the emergency room and were unable to pay. That was being passed to paying customers. People were gaming the system and not buying insurance when they were healthy and then buying insurance when they got sick. That was passed on to paying customers.

The fact is that Republicans did not have a plan to counter Obamacare. They had 8 years to come up with one and still do not have one.

The fact is that Obamacare did work. The number of people who have insurance has increased. The question becomes how to fix other aspects of it. The question is how to fix it not rto tell people with pre-existing conditions to drop dead which is what people like you are advocating.

They do, they have a ton of them.
The biggest problem with insurance is people cant pick it like they do car insurance. it would be much cheaper if they could. That's one of the reasons to remove the state rules which pick which can and can not insure within the state.

You need regulators to ensure that companies can pay out the benefits that they are promising. You cannot have just anyone selling insurance.

why can't we just get a doctor's office to post the price of their services so we know what the charges are? why is this shit all hush hush shit?

 

[g5000]

House Passes Measure to Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Act

That headline is a lie. That bill did not actually repeal ObamaCare. If you read the bill for yourself, instead of parroting what you are told to parrot, you would know this.

Trump counts on people like you being parroting rubes who do not think for themselves. Absolutely counts on it.

You keep getting hoaxed and you STILL have not caught on.

Neither Trump nor the GOP ever intended to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Nor do they have the ability to do so.

Trump is a weak pussy who can't get the hard shit done. And the lickspittles in Congress are even weaker, spineless lackeys.

But as long as fools like you keep bleeving what you are told to bleev, they will get away with it.

I disagree,
That was one bill....I posted it to show the lefties that stuff was passed, but couldn't move in the senate.
as for congress, they are a bunch of pussies, I agree....I really hate the senate.....but it is what it is
Trump does get shit done...a ton of it.....so because you hate him doesn't mean you have to lie about it.
To say Trump didn't get stuff done is like the people who said he's a failure in life.....it's people that are just retarded...

The GOP passed several hoax bills to repeal ObamaCare during the Obama regime, knowing full well such repeals would never actually occur.

It was all theater for the rubes. The GOP has never intended to repeal ObamaCare.

Never.

That is because they don't have a replacement for ObamaCare that will lower health care costs.

It's all been a giant hoax.

It's time for everyone to wake up to this fact.

Trump figured it out. That's why he knew he could get away with spitting in your faces with his promises to give you "such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost". He knew you rubes ate that shit up with no consequences to the liars who pulled the wool over your eyes.

Trump fully exploited the stupidity of the rube herd to his maximum personal benefit.

 

[g5000]

how awesome is this??
Department of Justice Declares ObamaCare To Be Unconstitutional and the Progressive Meltdown Begins

It always was.

'Awesome'? I would not call it that. I would call it anything BUT 'awesome'.

Democrats DESTROYED the previous system of health care insurance and replaced it with Obamacare, quietly admitting the whole time - as Harry Reid did - that it was a temporary stepping-stone to 'Single Payer'. Reid added a year or so after it was passed that it was 'designed to fail' but that it was failing way earlier than they had hoped.

There is nothing in place to go to if Obamacare either dies or dissolves. That doesn't bother Democrats that much because they wanted to 'HERD' the American people into 'Single Payer' anyway, stripping them of more choice, more control, and into more of the role of being a controlled 'sheep'.

Once again the politicians (Democrats especially, declared, 'Hi, I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help' (10 of the scariest words you will ever hear), they created the PROBLEM 1st, then come up with the solution (that is almost always worse than the problem they created and definitely worse than we had it before they showed up to begin with).

So, NO...I am not surprised, but this is not 'awesome'.

The fact is that the system had huge problems. More people were unable to buy insurance so they waited until their were sicker and it became more expensive when they visited the emergency room and were unable to pay. That was being passed to paying customers. People were gaming the system and not buying insurance when they were healthy and then buying insurance when they got sick. That was passed on to paying customers.

The fact is that Republicans did not have a plan to counter Obamacare. They had 8 years to come up with one and still do not have one.

The fact is that Obamacare did work. The number of people who have insurance has increased. The question becomes how to fix other aspects of it. The question is how to fix it not rto tell people with pre-existing conditions to drop dead which is what people like you are advocating.

They do, they have a ton of them.
The biggest problem with insurance is people cant pick it like they do car insurance. it would be much cheaper if they could. That's one of the reasons to remove the state rules which pick which can and can not insure within the state.

You need regulators to ensure that companies can pay out the benefits that they are promising. You cannot have just anyone selling insurance.

why can't we just get a doctor's office to post the price of their services so we know what the charges are? why is this shit all hush hush shit?

You can call a doctor and ask their rates for various procedures/services. It isn't a secret.

 

[jc456]

... Obama will go down in history as the feckless centrist who tried too hard to please everyone.

Obama tried too hard to please his base. ACA was a strictly partisan vote. Obama gave up on consensus and signed it into law anyway, knowing that half the country hated it. That was his failure. That's why we got Trump.

Every Republican vote was a strictly partisan vote. People are tired of partisanship. They support Obamacare but they realize it needs to be fixed. They want the parties to work together and fix it. That is why many Republican moderates will be replaced by Democrat moderates.

They do not support Obamacare and never have.
It was force on people....and was a giant failure

It was not a gigantic failure. It partially succeeded as the number of people who have insurance have increased. People recognize this and do support it against the Republican plan to drop dead. They recognize the shortcomings and want it fixed not repealed.

I was, it makes insurance usless with $4000 deductibles.......we used to have low ($500) deductible plans, they are very rare now. And premiums went up enormously.....yes you did cover more people, but you made it much more expensive for everyone else.......

again, to cover the costs of the few, the cost of the many must go up. it is the democratic way. ask the democrats. And, they fking hate paying extra. I haven't heard a one say they'd give back their tax cuts.

 

[Doc1]

Wow. You do realize that Roberts "legislated" from the bench, right? The Gov was arguing that it wasn't a tax, he decided it WAS a tax and thus it the mandate was "Constitutional".

I don't agree that the mandate was unconstitutional whether it was a tax or not. The mandate had a reason for being and it was to prevent freeloaders from gaming the system. They refuse to buy insurance when they are healthy and then buy insurance when they are sick then drop it when they are healthy. They commit a fraud on the system. The mandate was created by a conservative Heritage Foundation to lower insurance costs.

Sure it was . Figures you don’t see that.

'An individual mandate to purchase healthcare was initially proposed by the politically conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 as an alternative to single-payer health care.[13][14][15][16][17] Stuart Butler, an early supporter of the individual mandate at the Heritage Foundation, wrote:

If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance.[18]

The Heritage Foundation changed its position in 2011, calling the individual mandate unconstitutional.[19]

From its inception, the idea of an individual mandate was championed by Republican politicians as a free-market approach to health care reform.[18][20] Supporters included Charles Grassley, Mitt Romney, and the late John Chafee.[21] The individual mandate was felt to resonate with conservative principles of individual responsibility, and conservative groups recognized that the healthcare market was unique.'

Health insurance mandate - Wikipedia

It figures because I don't like people who commit a fraud against me that I have to pay for. You apparently have no conscience.

You apparently cannot stand to be corrected. Roberts labeled it a tax and cast the deciding vote. It has nothing to do with me. It simply is what it is. Now.....if you need to yell at someone yell at Roberts.

So what. Roberts was right to allow the mandate even if he had to go through legalistic gymnastics to do it. I am yelling at you because you are the one who insists it is unconstitutional.

You're sharp as a tack son. You said.....

"
"Republicans are relying on a judge to legislate from the bench. That seems okay to you."

I responded...

Wow. You do realize that Roberts "legislated" from the bench, right? The Gov was arguing that it wasn't a tax, he decided it WAS a tax and thus it the mandate was "Constitutional".

You don't seem to mind legislation from the "bench" if you "like" it. How very hypocritical of you. The administration's lawyers were arguing that the mandate WASN'T a "tax". Roberts said "yes it is" and thus it became "Constitutional". You aren't very good at this.

 

[busybee01]

The ACA was funded without taxing the Middle Class.

Where is Trump's plan? over 500 days & he hasx presented nothing to replace the ACA.

Uh, yes it was, perm,iums and deductibles skyrocketed under Obama care. I not only saw the news reports, I saw my own premiums and deductibles go way up.....fuck Obamacare

They are skyrocketing even more under Republicans. Even Tom Price who was the head of HHS under Trump says getting rid of the mandate will cause rates to go up even more.

It wasn't this way BEFORE Obamacare...now we have to fix this shit...but get no help from democrats.....who apparently love to see people suffer.


we will fix it...but we cant override a filibuster.

Republicans have made no effort to reach out to Democrats. Not even moderates like Manchin or Heitkamp. The reason is simple. Republicans have said that their plan is to repeal not replace Obamacare. That would hurt the people of West Virginia as a high percentage of the residents receive Obamacare subsidies.
That would hurt rural hospitals in North Dakota.

no democrat went for a repeal and replace. none. not even Manchin and Heitkamp. neither. so don't go there bubba.

I will go there BUBBA. They were for fix which is where the American people are. The Republican plan actually is repeal. Replace came about because the Republicans read the polls. They came up with hastily drawn plans that outsourced repeal to the states by pitting the poor against people with pre-existing conditions vs older people.

 

[g5000]

Here's the thing about an insurance mandate.

A "mandate" is simply a fine for not behaving in a way the government wants you to behave. For example, if you don't buy health insurance, you have to pay more tax than someone who did buy health insurance.

That's all it is.

Well, if you don't get a mortgage, you have to pay more taxes than someone who did get a mortgage. You are punished for not buying a house! We have a mortgage mandate. The government punishes you for not behaving in a way the government wants you to behave.

If you don't have kids, you have to pay more taxes than someone who does have kids. We have a child mandate. The government punishes you for not behaving in a way the government wants you to behave.


Americans have actually demanded this kind of tax scheme for a very long time. So it was not a big leap to make you pay more taxes if you don't buy insurance.

People who think they are conservatives are actually the biggest defenders of this insanity. They mandate you pay a tax fine for not having kids or not having a mortgage.

So it is no surprise these same fake conservatives came up with the idea of taxing you more for not buying health insurance.

 

[jc456]

Uh, yes it was, perm,iums and deductibles skyrocketed under Obama care. I not only saw the news reports, I saw my own premiums and deductibles go way up.....fuck Obamacare

They are skyrocketing even more under Republicans. Even Tom Price who was the head of HHS under Trump says getting rid of the mandate will cause rates to go up even more.

It wasn't this way BEFORE Obamacare...now we have to fix this shit...but get no help from democrats.....who apparently love to see people suffer.


we will fix it...but we cant override a filibuster.

Republicans have made no effort to reach out to Democrats. Not even moderates like Manchin or Heitkamp. The reason is simple. Republicans have said that their plan is to repeal not replace Obamacare. That would hurt the people of West Virginia as a high percentage of the residents receive Obamacare subsidies.
That would hurt rural hospitals in North Dakota.

no democrat went for a repeal and replace. none. not even Manchin and Heitkamp. neither. so don't go there bubba.

I will go there BUBBA. They were for fix which is where the American people are. The Republican plan actually is repeal. Replace came about because the Republicans read the polls. They came up with hastily drawn plans that outsourced repeal to the states by pitting the poor against people with pre-existing conditions vs older people.

I know they were. I told you, the goal was repeal and replace. no democrat even the two you sponsored here wanted that. So they didn't wish to negotiate or anything. nope, their way or no way as always. it is the leftist loser way. you have no idea how the world works.

 

[RealDave]

House Passes Measure to Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Act

That headline is a lie. That bill did not actually repeal ObamaCare. If you read the bill for yourself, instead of parroting what you are told to parrot, you would know this.

Trump counts on people like you being parroting rubes who do not think for themselves. Absolutely counts on it.

You keep getting hoaxed and you STILL have not caught on.

Neither Trump nor the GOP ever intended to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Nor do they have the ability to do so.

Trump is a weak pussy who can't get the hard shit done. And the lickspittles in Congress are even weaker, spineless lackeys.

But as long as fools like you keep bleeving what you are told to bleev, they will get away with it.

I disagree,
That was one bill....I posted it to show the lefties that stuff was passed, but couldn't move in the senate.
as for congress, they are a bunch of pussies, I agree....I really hate the senate.....but it is what it is
Trump does get shit done...a ton of it.....so because you hate him doesn't mean you have to lie about it.
To say Trump didn't get stuff done is like the people who said he's a failure in life.....it's people that are just retarded...

We meant good things done. All the orange asshole has done is tear down & borrow 1/5 trillion to give himself a tax cut.

 

[jc456]

House Passes Measure to Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Act

That headline is a lie. That bill did not actually repeal ObamaCare. If you read the bill for yourself, instead of parroting what you are told to parrot, you would know this.

Trump counts on people like you being parroting rubes who do not think for themselves. Absolutely counts on it.

You keep getting hoaxed and you STILL have not caught on.

Neither Trump nor the GOP ever intended to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Nor do they have the ability to do so.

Trump is a weak pussy who can't get the hard shit done. And the lickspittles in Congress are even weaker, spineless lackeys.

But as long as fools like you keep bleeving what you are told to bleev, they will get away with it.

I disagree,
That was one bill....I posted it to show the lefties that stuff was passed, but couldn't move in the senate.
as for congress, they are a bunch of pussies, I agree....I really hate the senate.....but it is what it is
Trump does get shit done...a ton of it.....so because you hate him doesn't mean you have to lie about it.
To say Trump didn't get stuff done is like the people who said he's a failure in life.....it's people that are just retarded...

We meant good things done. All the orange asshole has done is tear down & borrow 1/5 trillion to give himself a tax cut.

and brought in more revenue than the previous guy. jealous eh?

 

[busybee01]

I don't agree that the mandate was unconstitutional whether it was a tax or not. The mandate had a reason for being and it was to prevent freeloaders from gaming the system. They refuse to buy insurance when they are healthy and then buy insurance when they are sick then drop it when they are healthy. They commit a fraud on the system. The mandate was created by a conservative Heritage Foundation to lower insurance costs.

Sure it was . Figures you don’t see that.

'An individual mandate to purchase healthcare was initially proposed by the politically conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 as an alternative to single-payer health care.[13][14][15][16][17] Stuart Butler, an early supporter of the individual mandate at the Heritage Foundation, wrote:

If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance.[18]

The Heritage Foundation changed its position in 2011, calling the individual mandate unconstitutional.[19]

From its inception, the idea of an individual mandate was championed by Republican politicians as a free-market approach to health care reform.[18][20] Supporters included Charles Grassley, Mitt Romney, and the late John Chafee.[21] The individual mandate was felt to resonate with conservative principles of individual responsibility, and conservative groups recognized that the healthcare market was unique.'

Health insurance mandate - Wikipedia

It figures because I don't like people who commit a fraud against me that I have to pay for. You apparently have no conscience.

You apparently cannot stand to be corrected. Roberts labeled it a tax and cast the deciding vote. It has nothing to do with me. It simply is what it is. Now.....if you need to yell at someone yell at Roberts.

So what. Roberts was right to allow the mandate even if he had to go through legalistic gymnastics to do it. I am yelling at you because you are the one who insists it is unconstitutional.

You're sharp as a tack son. You said.....

"
"Republicans are relying on a judge to legislate from the bench. That seems okay to you."

I responded...

Wow. You do realize that Roberts "legislated" from the bench, right? The Gov was arguing that it wasn't a tax, he decided it WAS a tax and thus it the mandate was "Constitutional".

You don't seem to mind legislation from the "bench" if you "like" it. How very hypocritical of you. The administration's lawyers were arguing that the mandate WASN'T a "tax". Roberts said "yes it is" and thus it became "Constitutional". You aren't very good at this.

The fact is that Roberts was not legislating from the bench. Obamacare was legally passed by Congress. It should not have come down to whether it is a tax or not. You are not good at all.

 

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House Passes Measure to Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Act

That headline is a lie. That bill did not actually repeal ObamaCare. If you read the bill for yourself, instead of parroting what you are told to parrot, you would know this.

Trump counts on people like you being parroting rubes who do not think for themselves. Absolutely counts on it.

You keep getting hoaxed and you STILL have not caught on.

Neither Trump nor the GOP ever intended to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Nor do they have the ability to do so.

Trump is a weak pussy who can't get the hard shit done. And the lickspittles in Congress are even weaker, spineless lackeys.

But as long as fools like you keep bleeving what you are told to bleev, they will get away with it.

I disagree,
That was one bill....I posted it to show the lefties that stuff was passed, but couldn't move in the senate.
as for congress, they are a bunch of pussies, I agree....I really hate the senate.....but it is what it is
Trump does get shit done...a ton of it.....so because you hate him doesn't mean you have to lie about it.
To say Trump didn't get stuff done is like the people who said he's a failure in life.....it's people that are just retarded...

We meant good things done. All the orange asshole has done is tear down & borrow 1/5 trillion to give himself a tax cut.

and brought in more revenue than the previous guy. jealous eh?

Trump has not brought in the revenue necessary to cancel out his increased spending. Our deficits have been ACCELERATING under Trump. So what the fuck is there to be jealous about?!?!

 

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how awesome is this??
Department of Justice Declares ObamaCare To Be Unconstitutional and the Progressive Meltdown Begins

It always was.

'Awesome'? I would not call it that. I would call it anything BUT 'awesome'.

Democrats DESTROYED the previous system of health care insurance and replaced it with Obamacare, quietly admitting the whole time - as Harry Reid did - that it was a temporary stepping-stone to 'Single Payer'. Reid added a year or so after it was passed that it was 'designed to fail' but that it was failing way earlier than they had hoped.

There is nothing in place to go to if Obamacare either dies or dissolves. That doesn't bother Democrats that much because they wanted to 'HERD' the American people into 'Single Payer' anyway, stripping them of more choice, more control, and into more of the role of being a controlled 'sheep'.

Once again the politicians (Democrats especially, declared, 'Hi, I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help' (10 of the scariest words you will ever hear), they created the PROBLEM 1st, then come up with the solution (that is almost always worse than the problem they created and definitely worse than we had it before they showed up to begin with).

So, NO...I am not surprised, but this is not 'awesome'.

The fact is that the system had huge problems. More people were unable to buy insurance so they waited until their were sicker and it became more expensive when they visited the emergency room and were unable to pay. That was being passed to paying customers. People were gaming the system and not buying insurance when they were healthy and then buying insurance when they got sick. That was passed on to paying customers.

The fact is that Republicans did not have a plan to counter Obamacare. They had 8 years to come up with one and still do not have one.

The fact is that Obamacare did work. The number of people who have insurance has increased. The question becomes how to fix other aspects of it. The question is how to fix it not rto tell people with pre-existing conditions to drop dead which is what people like you are advocating.

They do, they have a ton of them.
The biggest problem with insurance is people cant pick it like they do car insurance. it would be much cheaper if they could. That's one of the reasons to remove the state rules which pick which can and can not insure within the state.

You need regulators to ensure that companies can pay out the benefits that they are promising. You cannot have just anyone selling insurance.

Yeah, but there is no reason to restrict who sells it in the state. If someone is not paying out correctly, then the regulator can act....like a fraud case