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So far, the Nevada Cattlemen's Association (NCA), which represents some 700 ranchers in the state, is taking a hands-off stance on Bundy's protest.
In a statement, the association noted that Bundy's case had been reviewed by a federal judge, and that a legal decision had been rendered to remove the cattle. The statement said that NCA "does not feel it is in our best interest to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter, and in addition NCA believes the matter is between Mr. Bundy and the federal courts."
Asked about the Bundy situation, NCA president Ron Torell told ABC News, "This has gotten way out of hand."
Asked if other Nevada cattlemen were as angry with the federal government as Bundy, Torell said, "absolutely not."
It's true, he said, that many NCA members are disgruntled at having to deal with BLM's bureaucracy. But, he noted, 87 percent of Nevada land is public land, so cattlemen cannot survive on private land alone. "It's important for our permitees to work with the land management agencies. We want to be good stewards of the land -- to protect natural resources."
Of the Bundy affair, he said, "These types of situations have a way of painting the entire industry with controversy."
CaféAuLait;8976786 said:CaféAuLait;8976668 said:One quick question, is the land the cows are grazing on, ( NOT Bundy's ranch) the land the BLM is charging him grazing fees, all considered Bunkerville?
No.
Indeed, and that is the land he is claiming ancestral rights to, not his OWN ranch.
Actually, I was born and raised in the South AND I lived in New Mexico for 3 years. I'm not buying into anything, I am forming my own opinion. Sorry, I don't buy into your armed militia thought process.Christ, what the hell is wrong with you libs?
Sorry, I am not liberal...I am pretty conservative to be quite honest with you. I just think for myself and I don't buy into what anyone has to say without proof.
I see, so you are buying into the libtard press copied OP and siding with the self admited libtard who posted the OP based on ... what? The lack of proof, the lies made by the libard, the ... what?
Granted I understand that a great many north eastern based conservatives dislike anyone with a southern accent and worse one with a cowboy hat & drawl to boot. Is that the issue?
Actually, I was born and raised in the South AND I lived in New Mexico for 3 years. I'm not buying into anything, I am forming my own opinion. Sorry, I don't buy into your armed militia thought process.Sorry, I am not liberal...I am pretty conservative to be quite honest with you. I just think for myself and I don't buy into what anyone has to say without proof.
I see, so you are buying into the libtard press copied OP and siding with the self admited libtard who posted the OP based on ... what? The lack of proof, the lies made by the libard, the ... what?
Granted I understand that a great many north eastern based conservatives dislike anyone with a southern accent and worse one with a cowboy hat & drawl to boot. Is that the issue?
CaféAuLait;8976668 said:The guy is frankly a liar.
Although no Bundys lived in Bunkerville in 1930 or 1940, according to Census records for those years, Cliven Bundys mother Bodel and her parents, John and Christena Jensen, lived in neighboring Mesquite in the early 20th Century.
Wouldn't that mean in the 1900's
One quick question, is the land the cows are grazing on, ( NOT Bundy's ranch) the land the BLM is charging him grazing fees, all considered Bunkerville?
How where they run out of business? Just saying something about China and greenies doesn't prove a point to me. I need specifics. I am not looking it up myself because it is your argument and you are the one who says this justifies the Bundy's not paying grazing fees which is my principle issue.You are not paying attn. or simply being obtuse then claiming you are not being obtuse.
60 of 61 ranchers were run out of business. One left.
And that was because of turtles? Do you have a link?
what law?
Again, I see no tyranny at this point and cannot understand why you are calling it so. I understand there is a lot to this 'issue'. I don't understand why one man's lawful debt to the US Government is tyranny and is a powder keg for an armed insurrection.This is not the case of bundy breaking the law. This is the case of a rancher fighting a tyrannical government.
Troll.
CaféAuLait;8976786 said:CaféAuLait;8976668 said:One quick question, is the land the cows are grazing on, ( NOT Bundy's ranch) the land the BLM is charging him grazing fees, all considered Bunkerville?
No.
Indeed, and that is the land he is claiming ancestral rights to, not his OWN ranch.
I made an assumption, you made an assumption...appears we were both wrong. Just like you are wrong on this issueActually, I was born and raised in the South AND I lived in New Mexico for 3 years. I'm not buying into anything, I am forming my own opinion. Sorry, I don't buy into your armed militia thought process.I see, so you are buying into the libtard press copied OP and siding with the self admited libtard who posted the OP based on ... what? The lack of proof, the lies made by the libard, the ... what?
Granted I understand that a great many north eastern based conservatives dislike anyone with a southern accent and worse one with a cowboy hat & drawl to boot. Is that the issue?
What armed milita thought process? WOW are you fakey's sock?
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CaféAuLait;8976786 said:
Indeed, and that is the land he is claiming ancestral rights to, not his OWN ranch.
Correct he's saying he does not recognize the federal government's complete take over of the land in question.
CaféAuLait;8976786 said:
Indeed, and that is the land he is claiming ancestral rights to, not his OWN ranch.
Correct he's saying he does not recognize the federal government's complete take over of the land in question.
CaféAuLait;8976786 said:Indeed, and that is the land he is claiming ancestral rights to, not his OWN ranch.
Correct he's saying he does not recognize the federal government's complete take over of the land in question.
So why did he initially pay his grazing fees?
It should be noted that the Nevada Cattlemen's Association does NOT support Bundy:
Newsradio 910 WSBA - The News Leader - Nevada Rancher Threatens 'Range War' Against Feds [From ABC News]
So far, the Nevada Cattlemen's Association (NCA), which represents some 700 ranchers in the state, is taking a hands-off stance on Bundy's protest.
In a statement, the association noted that Bundy's case had been reviewed by a federal judge, and that a legal decision had been rendered to remove the cattle. The statement said that NCA "does not feel it is in our best interest to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter, and in addition NCA believes the matter is between Mr. Bundy and the federal courts."
Asked about the Bundy situation, NCA president Ron Torell told ABC News, "This has gotten way out of hand."
Asked if other Nevada cattlemen were as angry with the federal government as Bundy, Torell said, "absolutely not."
It's true, he said, that many NCA members are disgruntled at having to deal with BLM's bureaucracy. But, he noted, 87 percent of Nevada land is public land, so cattlemen cannot survive on private land alone. "It's important for our permitees to work with the land management agencies. We want to be good stewards of the land -- to protect natural resources."
Of the Bundy affair, he said, "These types of situations have a way of painting the entire industry with controversy."
Correct he's saying he does not recognize the federal government's complete take over of the land in question.
So why did he initially pay his grazing fees?
Why do some victims of bullies pay the first few times till they the shit beat out of them and realize they have to stop paying or starve to death?
Correct he's saying he does not recognize the federal government's complete take over of the land in question.
So why did he initially pay his grazing fees?
Why do some victims of bullies pay the first few times till they the shit beat out of them and realize they have to stop paying or starve to death?
lol...he neg'd me too!How where they run out of business? Just saying something about China and greenies doesn't prove a point to me. I need specifics. I am not looking it up myself because it is your argument and you are the one who says this justifies the Bundy's not paying grazing fees which is my principle issue.
And that was because of turtles? Do you have a link?
what law?
Again, I see no tyranny at this point and cannot understand why you are calling it so. I understand there is a lot to this 'issue'. I don't understand why one man's lawful debt to the US Government is tyranny and is a powder keg for an armed insurrection.
Troll.
Don't pay your debts, and being called 'troll' will be the least of your problems.
It should be noted that the Nevada Cattlemen's Association does NOT support Bundy:
Newsradio 910 WSBA - The News Leader - Nevada Rancher Threatens 'Range War' Against Feds [From ABC News]
So far, the Nevada Cattlemen's Association (NCA), which represents some 700 ranchers in the state, is taking a hands-off stance on Bundy's protest.
In a statement, the association noted that Bundy's case had been reviewed by a federal judge, and that a legal decision had been rendered to remove the cattle. The statement said that NCA "does not feel it is in our best interest to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter, and in addition NCA believes the matter is between Mr. Bundy and the federal courts."
Asked about the Bundy situation, NCA president Ron Torell told ABC News, "This has gotten way out of hand."
Asked if other Nevada cattlemen were as angry with the federal government as Bundy, Torell said, "absolutely not."
It's true, he said, that many NCA members are disgruntled at having to deal with BLM's bureaucracy. But, he noted, 87 percent of Nevada land is public land, so cattlemen cannot survive on private land alone. "It's important for our permitees to work with the land management agencies. We want to be good stewards of the land -- to protect natural resources."
Of the Bundy affair, he said, "These types of situations have a way of painting the entire industry with controversy."
Well, to keep it honest, they believe in law and order, but they do not necessarily approve of the laws.
The unabridged statement can be seen on their website
However, in accordance with the rule of law, we must use the system set forth in our
Constitution to change those laws and regulations. Nevada Cattlemen's Association does not condone actions that are outside the law in which citizens take the law into their own hands.
