Bundy terrorists getting ready for round two

[Wry Catcher]

I never said it was. I simply showed ways the government got their money. Idiots like you must think they just shit it out of their ass.

Fuck you. Name calling won't cover the fact that you're a liar and stupid. Seems to be a character flaw in all you Neo Fascists.

Aww tough guy got his feelings hurt.

Need a tissue?

Nope. I got your bullshit to go away with a simple Google search. You're an asshole and a liar; that is you're all hat and no cattle, like most Texans.

 

[Dot Com]

Fuck you. Name calling won't cover the fact that you're a liar and stupid. Seems to be a character flaw in all you Neo Fascists.

Aww tough guy got his feelings hurt.

Need a tissue?

Nope. I got your bullshit to go away with a simple Google search. You're an asshole and a liar; that is you're all hat and no cattle, like most Texans.

if he admitted that he was wrong, this wouldn't have happened.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It is not a "what if", it is how land is managed, whether by local, county, state or fed managers. A land use is determined by the managers and rules and regulations are implemented to insure the land is being used the way the managers determined it should be used. In most cases hearings and studies are used to make this determination and design the proper rules and regulations. That is how assets of monetary value are controlled and cared for in a responsible manner. If you are paying for the use of land to graze cattle, whether from private or government owners, you have the right to expect your cattle to be undisturbed and the land you are paying for to be for your use for a specific purpose. You should not have to worry about unknown parties using your leased land, the land assigned to you, for whatever purposes they desire that may or may not have an effect on your cattle. The land after being leased or assigned to you, or for a certain use determined by the owners should be protected for that specific use until and unless some form of legal adjustment is made.

"How would the Bundy family and the militia helping him out react if several dozen folks showed up riding ATV's on the public land his cattle graze on causing the cattle to flee in panic and stampede?"

Yes it was a "what if" type of question.

My argument is why are we allowing the federal government to dictate what we can do on public land? Now I can se regulations to protect the environment and nature but grazing cattle doesn't destroy anything that I know of.

Unless someone is deliberately harassing cattle they pretty much aren't disturbed by much of what goes on around them.

Just admit you're the type that thinks government knows best.

Well, I disagree with your opinion that cattle grazing doesn't destroy anything.
I don't believe government knows best. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Our democracy depends on an educated public.

Overgrazing Can Hurt Environment

Negative Effects of Livestock Grazing Riparian Areas, LS-2-05

An educational tool about cattle grazing

It doesn't harm anything, any rancher with an ounce of common sense knows about over grazing and that is why cattle are moved from place to place. Fact is there is no better conservationist than ranchers, farmers, fishermen and hunters. Conservation groups have worked with ranchers using their cattle to restore native plant species by grazing invasive grasses. The point is, ranchers are better suited to managed grazing land than Washington bureaucrats are.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Aww tough guy got his feelings hurt.

Need a tissue?

Nope. I got your bullshit to go away with a simple Google search. You're an asshole and a liar; that is you're all hat and no cattle, like most Texans.

if he admitted that he was wrong, this wouldn't have happened.

He'll never admit a mistake, it takes a real man to man up; punks and Texans - but I repeat myself - are too insecure to admit an error, their enormous ego would suffer.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Fuck you. Name calling won't cover the fact that you're a liar and stupid. Seems to be a character flaw in all you Neo Fascists.

Aww tough guy got his feelings hurt.

Need a tissue?

Nope. I got your bullshit to go away with a simple Google search. You're an asshole and a liar; that is you're all hat and no cattle, like most Texans.

You debunked your own strawman argument. You should be proud.

 

[Camp]

"How would the Bundy family and the militia helping him out react if several dozen folks showed up riding ATV's on the public land his cattle graze on causing the cattle to flee in panic and stampede?"

Yes it was a "what if" type of question.

My argument is why are we allowing the federal government to dictate what we can do on public land? Now I can se regulations to protect the environment and nature but grazing cattle doesn't destroy anything that I know of.

Unless someone is deliberately harassing cattle they pretty much aren't disturbed by much of what goes on around them.

Just admit you're the type that thinks government knows best.

Well, I disagree with your opinion that cattle grazing doesn't destroy anything.
I don't believe government knows best. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Our democracy depends on an educated public.

Overgrazing Can Hurt Environment

Negative Effects of Livestock Grazing Riparian Areas, LS-2-05

An educational tool about cattle grazing

It doesn't harm anything, any rancher with an ounce of common sense knows about over grazing and that is why cattle are moved from place to place. Fact is there is no better conservationist than ranchers, farmers, fishermen and hunters. Conservation groups have worked with ranchers using their cattle to restore native plant species by grazing invasive grasses. The point is, ranchers are better suited to managed grazing land than Washington bureaucrats are.

OK, so due to stubbornness, naiveity, or dishonesty you are ignoring the four links I gave that showed why grazing lands needed to be managed by someone other than the individual owners. You want to use an old stereotype of the rancher, farmer, hunter, fisherman that no longer exist and ignore the damage these groups have done over the years as documented in these studies. You want to ignore facts as presented in these studies, three of them by universities with well known agriculture studies and departments, including one very pro grazing study from Texas A&M.

Sounds like your agenda is something other than protecting grazing land. Sounds like you fit the profile of a person jumping on someone elses issue and twisting it to fit your own political agenda without regard to how it hurts the other guys agenda. You pretend like you support the other guys agenda, but in reality you are willing to burn it down for a cause you think is more important than the other guys. The folks who don't want to hear motorized vehicles when they hike in the desert are not important because the ATV riders want to ride anywhere and everywhere they desire. The folks who want to appreciate the archaeology of an area don't count because the motorized vehicle crowd demands to be able to ride everywhere and anywhere they want. No matter that there are 2,000 miles of trail appropriated to ATV's in a county, you will refuse special use to even 20 miles for others. And if you don't get your way, break the law, call in the militia.

Go ahead a run with that strategy. Lets see how it works out.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well, I disagree with your opinion that cattle grazing doesn't destroy anything.
I don't believe government knows best. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Our democracy depends on an educated public.

Overgrazing Can Hurt Environment

Negative Effects of Livestock Grazing Riparian Areas, LS-2-05

An educational tool about cattle grazing

It doesn't harm anything, any rancher with an ounce of common sense knows about over grazing and that is why cattle are moved from place to place. Fact is there is no better conservationist than ranchers, farmers, fishermen and hunters. Conservation groups have worked with ranchers using their cattle to restore native plant species by grazing invasive grasses. The point is, ranchers are better suited to managed grazing land than Washington bureaucrats are.

OK, so due to stubbornness, naiveity, or dishonesty you are ignoring the four links I gave that showed why grazing lands needed to be managed by someone other than the individual owners. You want to use an old stereotype of the rancher, farmer, hunter, fisherman that no longer exist and ignore the damage these groups have done over the years as documented in these studies. You want to ignore facts as presented in these studies, three of them by universities with well known agriculture studies and departments, including one very pro grazing study from Texas A&M.

Sounds like your agenda is something other than protecting grazing land. Sounds like you fit the profile of a person jumping on someone elses issue and twisting it to fit your own political agenda without regard to how it hurts the other guys agenda. You pretend like you support the other guys agenda, but in reality you are willing to burn it down for a cause you think is more important than the other guys. The folks who don't want to hear motorized vehicles when they hike in the desert are not important because the ATV riders want to ride anywhere and everywhere they desire. The folks who want to appreciate the archaeology of an area don't count because the motorized vehicle crowd demands to be able to ride everywhere and anywhere they want. No matter that there are 2,000 miles of trail appropriated to ATV's in a county, you will refuse special use to even 20 miles for others. And if you don't get your way, break the law, call in the militia.

Go ahead a run with that strategy. Lets see how it works out.

He will; he'll simply put on a larger hat.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Well, I disagree with your opinion that cattle grazing doesn't destroy anything.
I don't believe government knows best. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Our democracy depends on an educated public.

Overgrazing Can Hurt Environment

Negative Effects of Livestock Grazing Riparian Areas, LS-2-05

An educational tool about cattle grazing

It doesn't harm anything, any rancher with an ounce of common sense knows about over grazing and that is why cattle are moved from place to place. Fact is there is no better conservationist than ranchers, farmers, fishermen and hunters. Conservation groups have worked with ranchers using their cattle to restore native plant species by grazing invasive grasses. The point is, ranchers are better suited to managed grazing land than Washington bureaucrats are.

OK, so due to stubbornness, naiveity, or dishonesty you are ignoring the four links I gave that showed why grazing lands needed to be managed by someone other than the individual owners. You want to use an old stereotype of the rancher, farmer, hunter, fisherman that no longer exist and ignore the damage these groups have done over the years as documented in these studies. You want to ignore facts as presented in these studies, three of them by universities with well known agriculture studies and departments, including one very pro grazing study from Texas A&M.

Sounds like your agenda is something other than protecting grazing land. Sounds like you fit the profile of a person jumping on someone elses issue and twisting it to fit your own political agenda without regard to how it hurts the other guys agenda. You pretend like you support the other guys agenda, but in reality you are willing to burn it down for a cause you think is more important than the other guys. The folks who don't want to hear motorized vehicles when they hike in the desert are not important because the ATV riders want to ride anywhere and everywhere they desire. The folks who want to appreciate the archaeology of an area don't count because the motorized vehicle crowd demands to be able to ride everywhere and anywhere they want. No matter that there are 2,000 miles of trail appropriated to ATV's in a county, you will refuse special use to even 20 miles for others. And if you don't get your way, break the law, call in the militia.

Go ahead a run with that strategy. Lets see how it works out.

There were three links and no I didn't ignore them. I stated that every rancher understands the dangers of over grazing. Why would they cut their own throat and jeopardize their livelihood by over grazing? I countered your "managed by someone" by suggesting that the ranchers are better suited to do the managing. Did you not read anything I wrote?

I think you just want to find something to whine about.

 

[Camp]

http://colorado.agrilife.org/files/2011/08/usinglivestockmanagewildlifehabitat_20.pdf


This is a study done by Texas A&M about grazing management. Very pro grazing, but shows the importance of proper management and the damage that can occur when proper management is ignored.

Perhaps you missed this one.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

http://colorado.agrilife.org/files/2011/08/usinglivestockmanagewildlifehabitat_20.pdf


This is a study done by Texas A&M about grazing management. Very pro grazing, but shows the importance of proper management and the damage that can occur when proper management is ignored.

Perhaps you missed this one.

Offered nothing that I didn't already know.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Who paid for the Louisiana Purchase?

Who paid for Alaska?

Who paid for the land after the Mexican-American War?

Who paid for the defense of the Oregon Territory after it was claimed?

The answer is, the people of the United States.

Yep, and Congress, not militia yahoos, speak for We the People.

nope. no wonder you think the 1st amendment applies only to political speech. what a moron.

You won't quote me in context because you will look stupid yet again.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fact is there is no better conservationist than ranchers, farmers, fishermen and hunters.

Yup, we are setting up another Dust Bowl because agriculturalists practice moderation.

 

[Yurt]

Yep, and Congress, not militia yahoos, speak for We the People.

nope. no wonder you think the 1st amendment applies only to political speech. what a moron.

You won't quote me in context because you will look stupid yet again.

i quoted your post that you altered, but i quoted it before you edited it. i caught you and then you lied about it.

poor fakey, all lies and nothing to do

 

[Unkotare]

Nope. I got your bullshit to go away with a simple Google search. You're an asshole and a liar; that is you're all hat and no cattle, like most Texans.

if he admitted that he was wrong, this wouldn't have happened.

He'll never admit a mistake, it takes a real man to man up; punks and Texans - but I repeat myself - are too insecure to admit an error, their enormous ego would suffer.

Why are you attempting to denigrate an entire state just because you have a dispute with one person? Does that make sense to you? Does that seem American to you?

 

[namvet]

 

[hazlnut]

Apparently the FOUNDERS never thought a citizen, such as Guano, was even possible!

What about this "moron"?

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

District of Columbia v Heller

Justice Scalia

 

[hazlnut]

 

[Vigilante]

Apparently the FOUNDERS never thought a citizen, such as Guano, was even possible!

What about this "moron"?

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

District of Columbia v Heller

Justice Scalia

Seems, it goes along PERFECTLY with what the FOUNDERS said.... Unfortunately YOU and the subversives have a problem with it! Would anyone walk around with a Howitzer in their pocket?

 

[Katzndogz]

Who cares what liberals think. As long as the government exercises its tyranny the militias get stronger and bigger. That's all that really counts.

 

[Vigilante]

Let see if I can explain something to assholes. The "REBELS" of Pa. ATTACKED representatives of the gov't. The "REBELS" grew violent, tarring and feathering an inspector of the revenue, and finally organized a military assoc. An attack was made on the house of the inspector-general, in the vicinity of Pittsburg, who was obliged to retreat. The marshal of the district was fired upon by a body of armed men. Many other ATTACKS were done by the "REBELS".... Now does THIS sound like what is going on in Nevada? Are these militia men FIRING UPON Federal officers, OR are they PROTECTING Bundy's private property from being STOLEN, and that is the only word we can use, as the act of GRAZING private beef on public land CERTAINLY doesn't call for the confiscation of such beef, AND has been stated many times, the FED just puts a LEAN on Bundy's property. as it's done HUNDREDS of times a day, all over the country for BACK TAXES, and sits back and WAITS!

THIS is EXACTLY what they didn't do at WACO, and RUBY RIDGE, they simply went in like the JACK BOOTED THUGS, they are, and MURDERED dozens of people in WACO, and an INNOCENT WOMAN at Ruby Ridge... You subversives FAIL again in history, and on what makes a PATRIOT a PATRIOT.... you scum disgust me!