Byron Donalds Lies | LBJ's War On Poverty Defeated Jim Crow And Still Helps Black Families

[Soupnazi630]

That is not what the article says. The article says that the poverty rate declined right up until Nixon was elected. Notice how the poverty rate goes UP every time there's a Republican in office, and drops when Democrats are in office.

Look at the jump in rates when Nixon was elected. Then it drops under Carter, only to rise again when Reagan took office and cut taxes and social programs and then up it went again, until Clinton's programs starting bringing it right back down again, and then W was elected and up it went.

The poverty rate rose in the early years of the Obama Administration because of W's late 2008 economic crash, but Obama had brought the rate back down again before he left office.




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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/07/11/poverty-in-the-50-years-since-the-other-america-in-five-charts/

That is opinion not fact hence the word article

 

[Soupnazi630]

Who has an abortion is based on INCOME. Those with the lowest income, have the highest rates of abortion, because they have the highest rates of unintended pregnancies.

The same holds true of crime rates - both are driven by lack of income and/or opportunity. With no mandated maternity leave for pregnant women and no employment protections for pregnant women, low income women are routinely fired when their bosses learn they're pregnant. So at a time when they need health care the most, they'll lose their jobs and their health insurance.

Contary to the Republican belief that women who get abortions are amoral party girls getting rid of the "consequences" of a promisculous lifestyle, the majority of women seeking abortions are low income wives and mothers whose birth control failed, and who can ill afford to lose their jobs. 75% are living below or just above the poverty line. 60% are married or in a committed relationship. Most are in their late 20's.

One in Four US Women Expected to Have an Abortion in Their Lifetime

www.guttmacher.org

These are the same people you would call "irresponsible" if they have were to have more children than they can afford to raise. And when these people do the "responsible" thing, you call them names for being in that position in the first place.

Wrong

Crime is noit driven by poverty but the other way around.

This is fact.

Crime dropped during the great depression for example

 

[IM2]

The fact that the "great society" produced you, just shows what a gigantic failure it really was

Yeah right. Obvously you can't dispute the evidence. Whites like you are funny. You think you get to criticize everybody else, but you are above critcism. Well I'm here to say that you're not.

 

[IM2]

That is opinion not fact hence the word article

Actually it's fact.

 

[IM2]

Crying "bullshit" doesn't enhance a weak argument. The black population is around 12% but black abortion is around 40% since "The Great Society". LBJ tore apart black neighborhoods and created crime riddled "projects" not unlike the junk concrete structures in Russia. Democrats today actually claim that black voters are unable to obtain something as basic as a photo I.D. in the 21st century and as such are unable to vote without the assistance of the federal government. Plantation mentality on steroids.

This is bullshit. And if I was white, I'd shut my mouth about government help or plantation mentality.

 

[IM2]

The US poverty rate told me that

It was in decline before LBJ but rose after him

That is fact

No it wasn't. I produced the evidence that shows your opinion to be incorrect.

 

[IM2]

Wrong

Crime is noit driven by poverty but the other way around.

This is fact.

Crime dropped during the great depression for example

Bullshit. You realy don't know what you are talking about.

 

[IM2]

So let's see, Donalds and the Republicans here have decided to tell everybody how the black family was so string during Jim Crow. However this report says dfferent:

The Growing Racial and Ethnic Divide in U.S. Marriage Patterns​

R. Kelly Raley, Megan M. Sweeney, and Danielle Wondra

"Although before the 1960s age at first marriage and the proportion of women ever married were similar among whites and blacks, blacks had higher rates of marital dissolution during this period."

The Growing Racial and Ethnic Divide in U.S. Marriage Patterns

The United States shows striking racial and ethnic differences in marriage patterns. Compared to both white and Hispanic women, black women marry later in life, are less likely to marry at all, and have higher rates of marital instability.Kelly Raley, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dissolution definition - the act or process of dissolving:
termination or destruction by breaking down, disrupting, or dispersing

Definition of DISSOLUTION

the act or process of dissolving: such as; separation into component parts; decay, disintegration… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

So basically what Donalds said and what rght wingers believe is fiction.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Bullshit. You realy don't know what you are talking about.

I am correct and know more about it than you

You are programmed with left wing fictional talking points and nothing more

Because you are a racist sack of shit

 

[Soupnazi630]

No it wasn't. I produced the evidence that shows your opinion to be incorrect.

yes it was and you provided no such evidence poser

 

[Soupnazi630]

Actually it's fact.

it is poorly formed opnion and nothing more you poser

 

[tyroneweaver]

Yeah right. Obvously you can't dispute the evidence. Whites like you are funny. You think you get to criticize everybody else, but you are above critcism. Well I'm here to say that you're not.

ya I can't dispute the evidence that johnson's great society hasn't reduced poverty 1 percentage point
Remember you were bought by the dnc
"I'll have them N's voting dem for the next 200 years"

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

LBJ's War On Poverty Defeated Jim Crow And Still Helps Black Families​

The "poverty" level today is roughly the same as it was in the 1960s when these programs started. Furthermore, at the beginning of the Great Society programs the rate of illegitimacy among black children was only around 25%. Today it's around 75%.

Sounds like an abject failure, but keep pushing the far left propaganda.

 

[Dragonlady]

That is opinion not fact hence the word article

That’s a fact based news article based on statistical analysis and charts, not an editorial opinion piece.

If you bothered to read the link, you would’ve seen that.

 

[IM2]

The "poverty" level today is roughly the same as it was in the 1960s when these programs started. Furthermore, at the beginning of the Great Society programs the rate of illegitimacy among black children was only around 25%. Today it's around 75%.

Sounds like an abject failure, but keep pushing the far left propaganda.

Again the argument you make was debunked nearly 60 years ago. Illegitimacy has nothing to do with this. You conservatives need to learn that just because you believe something and repeat it over and over and over doesn't make it so. Numerous studies denbunk your beliefs. I have shown several.

The problem with people talking about how LBJ's Great Society Program damaged the black famility is that it is a lie. The no man in the house rule which was blamed on Johnson was created by conservatives. That rule lasted from 1964 until 1968. So the Great Society has nothing to do with anything. I have posted before that welfare started long before LBJ.

Mothers' pensions​

Mothers' pensions, also referred to as mothers' aid or widows' aid, were cash payments distributed to impoverished single mothers in the United States during the first three decades of the 20th century. Introduced during the Progressive Era, they were among the earliest components of the modern American welfare state and were the first public cash assistance programs targeted to single mothers.

Mother's pensions were aimed at family preservation, intending to provide the means for poor single mothers to care for their children in their own homes. While primarily targeted at widows, they were also sometimes authorized for women whose husbands had deserted them, were confined to mental hospitals or prisons, or were physically or mentally incapacitated. They were financed and administered by state and local governments, and served as a precursor to the federal Aid to Dependent Children program created by the Social Security Act of 1935

Mothers' pensions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Title 4 or IV provided grants to states as Aid To Dependent Children. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This is what happened during Johnson. Assistance for single moms with children and no daddy at home. In 1935. Blacks were excluded. Aid to Dependent Children provide federal grants to help the states with mothers’ aid or mothers pension laws. So from 1910 until the 1960's the givernment was doling out checks to white women who had illegitiamte chidren. The program was not denigrated as something creating dependence on government; it was seen as essential assistance needed to help women without husbands who had children. But when others besides whites started gettiing the benefits, we see the whning and hypocrisy.

Aid to Families with Dependent Children - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Man in the House Rule which denied benefits to single mothers if a man was iving with them was a conservative creation. In every law that was passed as part of The New Deal, Roosevelt had to compromise with southern representatives to get the votes he needed. Southern Democrats pressured Northern Republicans to create policies allowing state control. Southern Democrats knew doing that would let southern states exclude blacks from participation in these programs. And when you Republicans try blaming Democrats for all this, Republican were complicit in Jim Crow because no matter what, Northern Republicans gave Southern Democrats what they wanted.

Man-in-the-House Rule
In 1968 the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the regulation as being contrary to the legislative goals of the Aid to Families of Dependent Children (AFDC) program.

In King v. Smith, 392 U.S. 309, 88 S. Ct. 2128, 20 L. Ed. 2d 1118 (1968), the U.S. Supreme Court entertained a challenge to the man-in-the-house rule brought by the four children of Mrs. Sylvester Smith, a widow. These children were denied benefits by Dallas County, Alabama, welfare authorities, based on their knowledge that a man named Williams was visiting Smith on weekends and had sexual relations with her.

The children of Smith filed a CLASS ACTION suit in federal court on behalf of other children in Alabama who were denied benefits under Alabama's "substitute father" regulation. This regulation considered a man a substitute father if (1) he lived in the home with the mother; (2) he visited the home frequently for the purpose of living with the mother; or (3) he cohabited with the mother elsewhere (King, citing Alabama Manual for Administration of Public Assistance, pt. I, ch. II, § VI). Testimony in the case revealed that there was some confusion among the authorities over how to interpret the regulation. One official testified that the regulation applied only if the parties had sex at least once a week, another official testified that sex every three months was sufficient, and still another placed the frequency at once every six months.

According to the High Court, Congress did not intend that the AFDC program require children "to look for their food to a man who is not in the least obliged to support them." The Court maintained that when Congress used the term parent in the SOCIAL SECURITY ACT, it was referring to "an individual who owed to the child a state-imposed legal duty of support." Ultimately, the Court struck down the man-in-the-house rule by holding that under the AFDC provisions in the Social Security Act, "destitute children who are legally fatherless cannot be flatly denied federally funded assistance on the transparent fiction that they have a substitute father."

Man-in-the-House Rule

The Man in the house rule was struck down because a black single mother took it to the supreme court, and it was a black sngle mother that ended the incentive for black women to get welfare money for having children.

In low-wage paying occupations, Black men are paid @87 cents for every dollar a white man makes and black women @63 cents. In high-paying occupations, black men earn @97 cents for every dollar a white man makes, and black women @64 cents. A black married couple will earn less than a white couple even when all other factors are the same. Throughout a 40 year work career, a black married couple in low-paying occupations will lose well over 1 million dollars of income compared to white married couples in the same jobs. A black married couple in a high-paying profession will earn approximately 2 million dollars less than a white couple at the same level during the same 40 year period.

"In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood. Thus, even though the share of children living with a single mother rose for all racial and ethnic groups through the mid-1990s and has remained high since then, school completion and youth arrests for violent crimes have declined significantly, while poverty rates have fluctuated according to economic conditions. Family structure does not drive racial inequity, and racial inequity persists regardless of family structure."

"The median white single parent has 2.2 times more wealth than the median black two-parent household and 1.9 times more wealth than the median Latino two-parent household."

-Amy Traub, Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede and Thomas Shapiro, DEMOS, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.”

The Great society created the black middle class. All your post amounts to is dumb ass drivel about illegitiate births as if that was the critera for success. But that's rght wing propaganda for you.

 

[whitehall]

Who has an abortion is based on INCOME. Those with the lowest income, have the highest rates of abortion, because they have the highest rates of unintended pregnancies.

The same holds true of crime rates - both are driven by lack of income and/or opportunity. With no mandated maternity leave for pregnant women and no employment protections for pregnant women, low income women are routinely fired when their bosses learn they're pregnant. So at a time when they need health care the most, they'll lose their jobs and their health insurance.

Contary to the Republican belief that women who get abortions are amoral party girls getting rid of the "consequences" of a promisculous lifestyle, the majority of women seeking abortions are low income wives and mothers whose birth control failed, and who can ill afford to lose their jobs. 75% are living below or just above the poverty line. 60% are married or in a committed relationship. Most are in their late 20's.

One in Four US Women Expected to Have an Abortion in Their Lifetime

www.guttmacher.org

These are the same people you would call "irresponsible" if they have were to have more children than they can afford to raise. And when these people do the "responsible" thing, you call them names for being in that position in the first place.

If black abortion is based on income how did LBJ's "Great Society" ever benefit black families? It was just the opposite. Black families learned to depend on government handouts not unlike democrat administrations in the plantation South.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The problem with people talking about how LBJ's Great Society Program damaged the black famility is that it is a lie. The no man in the house rule which was blamed on Johnson was created by conservatives. That rule lasted from 1964 until 1968.

Republicans created a rule, signed by LBJ, when the Dems had giant majorities in the House and Senate and held the White House?

Are you lying or just a moron?

 

[IM2]

If black abortion is based on income how did LBJ's "Great Society" ever benefit black families? It was just the opposite. Black families learned to depend on government handouts not unlike democrat administrations in the plantation South.

Why do you ignore the 2 and one half centuries of white dependence on government handouts to say this stupid shit?

 

[beagle9]

"Internalized racism" is a definite reality in the any racist society. When you're told you're "inferior" all of your life, you believe it.

The USA and South Africa are the two countries where racism has been imbedded into the national foundational documents, and not coincidentally, the two countries which have the highest rates of violent, black on black crime.

The amount of national energy and investment in keeping and policing of minorities "in their place", is a waste of national resources, better spent on education, infrastructure and research to improve the lives of all citizens.

When everyone is given the opportunity and resources to achieve their potential, the entire nation benefits. Racism and keeping minorities from "taking over", is holding your nation back.

Racism, and "keeping minorities from TAKING OVER" is holding the nation back ????? Since when does a minority take over a majority without some sort of struggle to then ensue during the "take over" ?

Did you actually think before you wrote the above post with such a ridiculous point attempted to be made?

 

[Soupnazi630]

That’s a fact based news article based on statistical analysis and charts, not an editorial opinion piece.

If you bothered to read the link, you would’ve seen that.

I DID read it and it is not fact based or evidence based