Cakes, Fakes & Counter-Quakes; Do The Kleins Have A Countersuit Against The Lesbians?

[JoeB131]

Oh, as you know I was referring to Obergefell from which those laws you refer to were passed citing Obergefell's (illegal) authority of "gay marriage legal in all 50 states". I'm unaware, but I believe the states of Oregon and Colorado did not legalize gay marriage on their own? I know in California, the most liberal state of all, it's still illegal on the books because Californians said no. The second time in 2008.

Doesn't matter in this context. The cakes were requested before gay marriage was legalized. So it goes back to the point that these two states DID pass laws making it illegal to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation.

My point being that those legislatures could not draw from an illegal federal precedent to enact laws their states declared illegal. See what a mess Obergefell made by judicially-adding brand new language to the US Constitution, which is a violation of separation of powers... It will be overturned soon. Thank God. They overturned Windsor 2013 in just two years...so...get another conservative in SCOTUS and put this legal wildfire out.

buddy, you are delusional. Fact is, the court isn't going to revisit this issue no matter how much you want them to. Gays are going to be able to adopt kids into loving homes.

Deal with it. Then start dealing with whatever makes you hate so much.

 

[Pop23]

Opinion noted

Don’t take much of a judge to recognize that a “gay wedding” is the opposite of “go forward and sin no more”.

I've know gay folks who've been committed for decades to each other.

I've known straight couples where we've all said, "They'll be divorced by June" and we were right.

so the only "sin" here is that you don't like the gay, like most homophobes, probably dealing with your own issues.

They've done science... most homophobes are latent homosexuals.

And all homosexuals are Gay Joe

Tell me Joe, the forensic test you have that shows the difference between a Gay, latent and straight?

And I will rely on the Bakers opinion on Sin, not yours. And yet you have not provided any evidence that the Baker supplied cake to a wedding in which the intent was to sin in the future,.

 

[Pop23]

This is a regular thing by the progressives when they start losing the argument. BUT, BUT, BUT

This conversation is about A BAKER, not ALL BAKERS.

If THIS BAKER thinks that any of the above would cause him eternal damnation, then YES, YES, YES!

And if I saw that happening I would GO TO THAT BAKER and tell him he's being an idiot to walk away from business!

Hell, if I were his competition I WOULD MAKE HIS REFUSAL PART OF MY ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN TO NAB THE BUSINESS.

But irregardless, he should have this right based ON HIS RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS.

First, "Irregardless' isn't a word.

second- and I know this is a tough one for you- A business doesn't have a right to discriminate against people, no matter what religion they have.

If their religion makes them think that by providing this service they are going to Hell, then they need to find something else to do for a living.

There would be no way to make a living. But thanks for playing.

 

[Syriusly]

Is it legal for Muslim cabbie's to refuse to give rides to blind passengers with guide dogs?

Based upon the cabbie's religious beliefs?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew to refuse to serve a woman in his deli- because she is a woman?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew running a bus service to make women sit at the back of the bus?

 

[Silhouette]

Is it legal for Muslim cabbie's to refuse to give rides to blind passengers with guide dogs?

Based upon the cabbie's religious beliefs?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew to refuse to serve a woman in his deli- because she is a woman?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew running a bus service to make women sit at the back of the bus?

Are any of those mortal sins with the punishment being eternal soul death like in Jude 1 & Romans 1 for a Christian aiding the spread of homosexuality throughout a culture using a vehicle like marriage, education or adoption?

No? Just venial sins? Well then it's like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Pop23]

Is it legal for Muslim cabbie's to refuse to give rides to blind passengers with guide dogs?

Based upon the cabbie's religious beliefs?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew to refuse to serve a woman in his deli- because she is a woman?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew running a bus service to make women sit at the back of the bus?

Are any of those mortal sins with the punishment being eternal soul death like in Jude 1 & Romans 1 for a Christian aiding the spread of homosexuality throughout a culture using a vehicle like marriage, education or adoption?

No? Just venial sins? Well then it's like comparing apples and oranges.

That’s like comparing Vaginas and rectums, that’s something easier for him to understand.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Okay.

Here's what the Christians need to do.
1) Prove people actually have souls.
2) Prove that a place called Hell exists.
3) Prove the Invisible Sky Pixie will actually send you there for not hating the gays as much as you do.

That's a pretty tall order, really.

If you're as old as I think you've indicated, then you'll see Hell soon enough in person, to know that it is real.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Okay.

Here's what the Christians need to do.
1) Prove people actually have souls.
2) Prove that a place called Hell exists.
3) Prove the Invisible Sky Pixie will actually send you there for not hating the gays as much as you do.

That's a pretty tall order, really.

If you're as old as I think you've indicated, then you'll see Hell soon enough in person, to know that it is real.

Christians don't have to prove a damn thing.

 

[Syriusly]

Is it legal for Muslim cabbie's to refuse to give rides to blind passengers with guide dogs?

Based upon the cabbie's religious beliefs?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew to refuse to serve a woman in his deli- because she is a woman?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew running a bus service to make women sit at the back of the bus?

Are any of those mortal sins with the punishment being eternal soul death like in Jude 1 & Romans 1 for a Christian aiding the spread of homosexuality throughout a culture using a vehicle like marriage, education or adoption?

No? Just venial sins? Well then it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Yes- they are all exactly the same- they are all mortal sins.

Just like baking a wedding cake.

LOL

 

[Syriusly]

Is it legal for Muslim cabbie's to refuse to give rides to blind passengers with guide dogs?

Based upon the cabbie's religious beliefs?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew to refuse to serve a woman in his deli- because she is a woman?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew running a bus service to make women sit at the back of the bus?

Are any of those mortal sins with the punishment being eternal soul death like in Jude 1 & Romans 1 for a Christian aiding the spread of homosexuality throughout a culture using a vehicle like marriage, education or adoption?

No? Just venial sins? Well then it's like comparing apples and oranges.

That’s like comparing Vaginas and rectums, that’s something easier for him to understand.

You do seem obsessed with vaginas and rectums.

 

[JoeB131]

And all homosexuals are Gay Joe

Tell me Joe, the forensic test you have that shows the difference between a Gay, latent and straight?

And I will rely on the Bakers opinion on Sin, not yours. And yet you have not provided any evidence that the Baker supplied cake to a wedding in which the intent was to sin in the future,.

The test was done by first doing a survey to determine who was homophobic. They then put a monitor on their dicks, and showed them gay porn.

Guess who got an erection watching it? Yup, it was the homophobes!!!

 

[JoeB131]

If you're as old as I think you've indicated, then you'll see Hell soon enough in person, to know that it is real.

I always wonder what kind of sadistic person wants to see other people suffer.

I don't want to see anyone suffer, not even people who have really wronged me.

Besides, I thought you were a Mormon, and you guys believe in the "Outer Darkness" or some such shit.

 

[JoeB131]

Christians don't have to prove a damn thing.

well, they kind of should if they are going to insist they have the right to violate laws the rest of us thought were kind of reasonable.

 

[Pop23]

Is it legal for Muslim cabbie's to refuse to give rides to blind passengers with guide dogs?

Based upon the cabbie's religious beliefs?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew to refuse to serve a woman in his deli- because she is a woman?

Is it legal for an Orthodox Jew running a bus service to make women sit at the back of the bus?

Are any of those mortal sins with the punishment being eternal soul death like in Jude 1 & Romans 1 for a Christian aiding the spread of homosexuality throughout a culture using a vehicle like marriage, education or adoption?

No? Just venial sins? Well then it's like comparing apples and oranges.

That’s like comparing Vaginas and rectums, that’s something easier for him to understand.

You do seem obsessed with vaginas and rectums.

And you? Just rectums

 

[Pop23]

And all homosexuals are Gay Joe

Tell me Joe, the forensic test you have that shows the difference between a Gay, latent and straight?

And I will rely on the Bakers opinion on Sin, not yours. And yet you have not provided any evidence that the Baker supplied cake to a wedding in which the intent was to sin in the future,.

The test was done by first doing a survey to determine who was homophobic. They then put a monitor on their dicks, and showed them gay porn.

Guess who got an erection watching it? Yup, it was the homophobes!!!

You only wish all were gay.

Keep hoping, it’s the only chance you have in your search to be considered normal.

 

[JoeB131]

You only wish all were gay.

Keep hoping, it’s the only chance you have in your search to be considered normal.

Hating people and obsessing about their sex life is normal?

There's a whole shitload of people I don't like, but I'll still happily take their money.

 

[Pop23]

You only wish all were gay.

Keep hoping, it’s the only chance you have in your search to be considered normal.

Hating people and obsessing about their sex life is normal?

There's a whole shitload of people I don't like, but I'll still happily take their money.

I’ve stated many times I’d have provided the product, and to me, it would be profiting from it that I WOULD CONSIDER THE SIN.

BUT THATS ME. I don’t speak for the baker. I can’t know his mind.

I would have donated everything beyond my cost to a charity.

 

[JoeB131]

I’ve stated many times I’d have provided the product, and to me, it would be profiting from it that I WOULD CONSIDER THE SIN.

BUT THATS ME. I don’t speak for the baker. I can’t know his mind.

I would have donated everything beyond my cost to a charity.

Okay. Again, can't see how providing a cake is a "sin". A sin is something that hurts another human being.

 

[Pop23]

I’ve stated many times I’d have provided the product, and to me, it would be profiting from it that I WOULD CONSIDER THE SIN.

BUT THATS ME. I don’t speak for the baker. I can’t know his mind.

I would have donated everything beyond my cost to a charity.

Okay. Again, can't see how providing a cake is a "sin". A sin is something that hurts another human being.

Suicide is a Sin.

 

[JoeB131]

Suicide is a Sin.

And someone is hurt in a suicide. Not only the poor fool who found a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but his family having to deal with the aftermath, whatever poor schlub has the bad luck to find the body, etc.

On the other hand, no one is really hurt by a gay wedding. If offends the bible thumping homophobes, but that's on them, not the folks getting married.