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Well, this is why I have long since given up giving examples to people on on both ends of the spectrum, whose minds won't be changed, regardless of how many examples I provide.Well it’s not in mine. So what now?Mine. If you think it was not, or that it was close to Single Payer, there's simply nothing I can say.By whose standards?Whatever, it was moderate.That was saved by trumpHard to find any, since the Democratic Party is now under the control of the Regressive Left.
One obvious answer, however, is the ACA. A massive handout to insurance companies and the retention of market competition when they could have gone after Single Payer. It doesn't get much more moderate than that.
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That's no more valid than having a left winger speak for conservatism.As I always say, the Regressives are not liberals. Yes, there are certainly areas of agreement between the two, but these people are a distortion, a perversion, of liberalism.Those who actually follow liberal ideology are now despised by the left. True liberals would be considered moderates in today's world.
Look at how they have completely detached themselves from the most liberal value of all, freedom of expression. They've perverted it to mean "I have the right to exercise my Freedom of Speech to shut down yours".
That's at the very core of their thinking, and that ain't liberal.
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Liberalism is an ideology.
These people worship free shit and power at the expense of anything else. That's not an ideology, but greed and extreme egoism.
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So do you disagree with that observation?
I can't even find their principles or values listed anywhere. Gender doesn't exist but apparently men are evil. The incoherence screams to our faces we are not dealing with an ideology.
These regressives are talkboxes that just use whatever words work in order to reach their goals. There is no substance behind the words. It's all the same post-modern bullshit.
Outstanding
Well your examples don’t adhere to your talking point. Single payer was their next step. Ask Bernie. It was their next step had they won. In fact they haven’t won anything sinceWell, this is why I have long since given up giving examples to people on on both ends of the spectrum, whose minds won't be changed, regardless of how many examples I provide.Well it’s not in mine. So what now?Mine. If you think it was not, or that it was close to Single Payer, there's simply nothing I can say.By whose standards?Whatever, it was moderate.That was saved by trump
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I gave that one against my better judgement.
Now, we just continue to see things very differently.
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They just spin away from that subject or play the moral superior card.Sanctuary cities? He can’t avoid itLet them Prove it........................negotiate it...........secure the border or there is no deal........You know that..........It's impossible answer the OP's question if he can't or won't define this "radical left agenda".
Fair question.
1) The Democrat party platform
2) DNC talking points
3) The position every leftist on the board has every day in every discussion and for the same reason
4) Every position you have on the board every day in every discussion
There you go, four answers that are all exactly the same thing
Well...Kaz...that is both vague and amusing at the same time....
Let’s start with positions.
The Far left wants Open borders................
They want laws in place that make them citizens ............Blanket Amnesty..........
We want the border Secure...............
Middle Ground is a compromise between the 2............The SNAG...............we refuse any deals that do not secure the border first..............
The far left refuse any deals that don't leave it Open..........
So who here supports the middle Ground were both sides win and both sides lose............as the Founding Fathers Meant it to be.
More bullshit.
No one wants open borders. That is like claiming the right wants to kill brown children.
In fact...immigration is one of the rare points of fairly broad agreement. Most on both sides want increased security (personnel, electronics, etc)...most oppose that security in the form of a physical wall across the border. Most want a humane solution or DACA. Most want a bipartisan comprehensive immigration bill to cover immigration as a whole, they disagree on the details but that is negotiable. It is the president who is putting a stopper in it by trying to stick his ideas of immigration reform in to another bill and refusing anything that doesn’t fund his pet wall.
Unfortunately that doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker, in a tweet or in your talking points.
The far left fights tooth and nail over this....to the point of ignoring the laws of this country.........They don't negotiate shit...............why the hell should we til they bend a little...........Negotiating with those is like negotiating with Jung the little fat man.
I realize that the current meme, and the point of this thread, is that you're either with Trump or you're a commie Nazi Hitler fascist Marxist.Well your examples don’t adhere to your talking point. Single payer was their next step. As Bernie. It was their next step had they won. In fact they haven’t won anything sinceWell, this is why I have long since given up giving examples to people on on both ends of the spectrum, whose minds won't be changed, regardless of how many examples I provide.Well it’s not in mine. So what now?Mine. If you think it was not, or that it was close to Single Payer, there's simply nothing I can say.By whose standards?Whatever, it was moderate.
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I gave that one against my better judgement.
Now, we just continue to see things very differently.
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Gee, I read the OP about libs not trump. So unclear how you get that from the OP?I realize that the current meme, and the point of this thread, is that you're either with Trump or you're a commie Nazi Hitler fascist Marxist.Well your examples don’t adhere to your talking point. Single payer was their next step. As Bernie. It was their next step had they won. In fact they haven’t won anything sinceWell, this is why I have long since given up giving examples to people on on both ends of the spectrum, whose minds won't be changed, regardless of how many examples I provide.Well it’s not in mine. So what now?Mine. If you think it was not, or that it was close to Single Payer, there's simply nothing I can say.By whose standards?
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I gave that one against my better judgement.
Now, we just continue to see things very differently.
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No doubt that keeps the troops all riled up 'n stuff, and it makes great radio and internet reading material, but I'm afraid it just isn't true.
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First, because I know the routine. I've seen it a zillion times. I've listened to Hannity and Levin and the rest. If you don't bend over for Trump, you're a pinko commie Marxist.Gee, I read the OP about libs not trump. So unclear how you get that from the OP?I realize that the current meme, and the point of this thread, is that you're either with Trump or you're a commie Nazi Hitler fascist Marxist.Well your examples don’t adhere to your talking point. Single payer was their next step. As Bernie. It was their next step had they won. In fact they haven’t won anything sinceWell, this is why I have long since given up giving examples to people on on both ends of the spectrum, whose minds won't be changed, regardless of how many examples I provide.Well it’s not in mine. So what now?Mine. If you think it was not, or that it was close to Single Payer, there's simply nothing I can say.
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I gave that one against my better judgement.
Now, we just continue to see things very differently.
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No doubt that keeps the troops all riled up 'n stuff, and it makes great radio and internet reading material, but I'm afraid it just isn't true.
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For those of you who used to consider yourselves moderate leftists, but have been co-opted by Trump Derangement Syndrome into rubber stamping the radical left's agenda, I have a question. Where do you go from here when Trump is gone? Can you un-ring the bell? Can you somehow go back to believing you have moderate positions, not radical left positions as you are supporting now?
Well, as I've said, they're not liberals. They're illiberal leftist authoritarians.
It is too early to impeach TrumpFor those of you who used to consider yourselves moderate leftists, but have been co-opted by Trump Derangement Syndrome into rubber stamping the radical left's agenda, I have a question. Where do you go from here when Trump is gone? Can you un-ring the bell? Can you somehow go back to believing you have moderate positions, not radical left positions as you are supporting now?
What "radical" positions are you talking about? I mean other than impeaching Trump,which some REpublicans would probably be good with.
The left used to be more or less synonymous with liberal. Those days are long gone as identity politic has now reduced the left to little more than a jack booted system of enforced double standards, the authoritarian nature of such rendering the left anything but liberal.
Those who actually follow liberal ideology are now despised by the left. True liberals would be considered moderates in today's world.
The left used to be more or less synonymous with liberal. Those days are long gone as identity politic has now reduced the left to little more than a jack booted system of enforced double standards, the authoritarian nature of such rendering the left anything but liberal.
Those who actually follow liberal ideology are now despised by the left. True liberals would be considered moderates in today's world.
Yawn... "The Left doesn't piss itself when it sees a Hijab like I do... Clearly they are radicals".
oppose gay government marriage. Though that's misleading, I oppose straight government marriage too. Government should treat all of it's citizens the same
LGBT have all the rights everyone else does. Jessica wants them to have extra rights
Both examples of socialism, not capitalism. Socialism is government deciding. That isn't capitalism in any form.
There are plenty of left-leaning moderates.
From one end, they're being drowned out by the narcissistic, hateful, dishonest Regressive Left.
From the other, the Talk Radio Right is trying to simplistically lump them in with the Regressive Left as radical commies.
Illustrating the first line of my sig, beautifully. Again.
oppose gay government marriage. Though that's misleading, I oppose straight government marriage too. Government should treat all of it's citizens the same
Except that it's established by law that straights can marry and has been for centuries... So your whacky Libertarian spittle doesn't really work here.
LGBT have all the rights everyone else does. Jessica wants them to have extra rights
Well,no, they really don't. You can still get fired in 28 states for being LGBT.
Both examples of socialism, not capitalism. Socialism is government deciding. That isn't capitalism in any form.
Yawn, if we had "real" capitalism, where the government didn't step in and clean up the One Percents fuckups, we'd have gone the way of Russian and China in the 1930's
Exactly. I am in favor of free birth control. I would be glad to donate to Planned Parenthood if they got off the government dole. It's my job to fund that since I support it, not taxpayers. Taxpayers should only be paying for things like roads and defense. Charity is not an action that can be performed at the point of a gun
My last response for a long while:
The wall is a waste of American Tax Dollars because after Trump leaves office a Democrat will follow and defund it, so why waste the money?
The solution is simple and that is:
1. Go after employers that hire illegals by using laws that our nation already has and enforce them once and for all.
2. Get rid of the Anchor Baby Status which mean a Constitutional Amendment.
3. Close the Marriage Loophole.
4. Dry up all resources for overstayed visa holders and illegals.
5. Invisible Wall with using Drone technology and other tech that would make it more efficient to tract illegals.
6. Clean Mexico corrupt Government up and bring jobs back from China to Mexico at least so that illegals would stay there and not cross into this country.
7. Actually deal with the true issue that causes this mess and stop Russia, China, Iran and North Korea from funding Cartels and Gangs in the region that destabilize the region.
So do something proactive and that will slow the illegal immigrantion once and for all!
Also deal with the slave trade that is still going on in the sex trafficking to sweat shops!
We actually had as real capitalism as it gets.
As result, we became one of the richest nation's very quickly. So rich that we could even afford the fuck up that's called socialism in many instances. All resulting from an extreme form of democracy where losers like yourself could gang up and vote the productivity and hard work of others for themselves, while contributing jack shit.
owever, those days are quickly coming to an end. Darwin always has the last say in the long run... The culling of the cucks will be the reality soon enough.
We actually had as real capitalism as it gets.
As result, we became one of the richest nation's very quickly. So rich that we could even afford the fuck up that's called socialism in many instances. All resulting from an extreme form of democracy where losers like yourself could gang up and vote the productivity and hard work of others for themselves, while contributing jack shit.
I think you are a little confused with your "Home Skule" History. We had Capitalism in a raw form, and it lead to the Crash of 1929, which not only brought down our economy, but much of the rest of the world. Then FDR proposed a lot of sensible laws that have caused us to grow to the world's richest nation. (Two world wars where the rest of the world beat itself senseless also helped.)
owever, those days are quickly coming to an end. Darwin always has the last say in the long run... The culling of the cucks will be the reality soon enough.
GUy, here's the thing... your racist anger won' t keep the One Percenters like Trump from screwing you.
Recessions aren't a bug of Republican Governance, they're a design feature.
YepAs I always say, the Regressives are not liberals. Yes, there are certainly areas of agreement between the two, but these people are a distortion, a perversion, of liberalism.Those who actually follow liberal ideology are now despised by the left. True liberals would be considered moderates in today's world.
Look at how they have completely detached themselves from the most liberal value of all, freedom of expression. They've perverted it to mean "I have the right to exercise my Freedom of Speech to shut down yours".
That's at the very core of their thinking, and that ain't liberal.
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Add to that the fact that they will defend the very least liberal behaviors on the planet as long as the identity of those engaging in the behavior are of a certain type, and the very notion of what is liberal has been perverted beyond recognition.
