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Show were your religious bias changes abortion to murder, please.
No deflection.
[/QUOTE]CG, your religious bias will not control the law.
Here, here's some more info which proves you wrong.
UTAH
Refusal to Provide Medical Services
ABORTION REFUSAL CLAUSE
Utah allows certain individuals and organizations to refuse to provide abortion services.
To whom does the refusal clause apply? Health-care facilities, including hospitals, hospices, nursing-care facilities, residential assisted-living facilities, birthing centers, ambulatory surgical facilities, and facilities owned or operated by health-maintenance organizations, as well as individuals associated with health-care facilities.
What does the refusal clause allow? A health-care provider or organization may, on religious or moral ground, refuse to provide or participate in abortion services, or refuse to admit a patient for abortion care. The refusal to participate may not be a basis for damages, disciplinary action, or other recriminatory action. Moral or religious objections to abortion may not be a basis for discrimination in hiring in the state.
Does the law require the refusing entity to notify the persons affected? No.
Are there circumstances under which a refusal clause may not be exercised? Maybe.
Does the law require the refusing individual or entity to provide medically and factually accurate information or provide a referral for abortion services? No.
Does the law provide a mechanism for women to otherwise obtain specific reproductive-health services, information, or referrals if an individual and/or entity exercises a refusal clause? No.
Utah Code Ann. § 76-7-306 (Original Statute Enacted 1973; Repealed and Reenacted 1974; Last Amended 2011).
Utah :: NARAL Pro-Choice America
So, what was that you were saying about what...controlling what...again?
It's both stunning and disheartening that such a nasty bit of misogynistic propaganda has actually become part of some people's belief system.
Let's let go of the fairy tales and inject some hard, cold reality into your closed, controlling, blind minds.
First of all, abortion's been around since the dawn of civilization. So has birth control. So have fertility methods. Abortions happened in the holy land during the biblical eras.
Why is there religious, selfish, and right wing "outrage" over abortion? The religious argument is simple - breed more and there will be more of us, we will outnumber them and their armies. We can eventually control the world! Go team us!!
The selfish argument is equally simple - a woman is unable to have children, so she tries to forcibly project onto other women - they HAVE to want to have babies as much as she does!
The right wing argument is a bit more complex - and deeply hateful.
First of all, in a patriarchal society, it's easier to keep women "out of the way" if they're constantly pregnant, recovering from childbirth, nursing, or chasing after little ones. So let's keep 'em barefoot and pregnant.
In a patriarchal society gone full-blown mysoginistic, it's okay for a man to screw around, but if a woman does it she's a slut, a whore. He's cool, she's evil. And what better way to prove she's a whore than to force her to carry a child like a watermelon-sized scarlet letter?
If a woman remains single, by her choice or by the baby's father's choice, then she's extra bad for refusing to bring the child up in a two-parent household. It doesn't matter if she was raped, she's bad for staying single.
And that's exactly the way it would be if the lunatic fringe had their way. This poor creature would have to publicly explain herself and her situation to everyone that gazed upon her and called out, "Shame! Shame!"
A single or married woman with a child is more likely to have to work part-time, and more likely to be called away from work if the child gets sick. In the old days it was an excuse used by employers (including several that I worked for) to not hire women or to refuse to pay or promote them fairly.
When women started having fewer kids and were better able to work full time the boys-only he-man club went bonkers. The worked overtime spreading all sorts of lies about abortions.
And you fuckwits bought into those lies.
Pro abortionists are sick puppies who support the killing of millions of human beings by calling them fetus, as if they are not living human beings (scientifically incorrect). They do this with the same self righteous attitude that allowed whites to legally kill black Americans by calling them ni**ers, as if they were less than complete human beings too...end of story.
Nobody is pro-abortion...end of story.
[/QUOTE]Murder is a legal matter, not your opinion.
I already showed you what the legal matter concerning the death of an unborn child or attempted death of an unborn child is. Ask the guy who was charged with murder when he killed a woman's unborn child because he was drinking and driving what the legal matter is. Ask the guy who attempted to kill a woman's unborn child by stomping on her stomach and was brought up on attempted murder charges what the legal matter is.
And, besides, the fact of the matter is this. I can sit here can call it "murder" all day long and there isn't squat you can do about it except repeat your talking points per verbatim until you're blue in the face. So, yes, murder IS a matter of my opinion and, when I decide I'm going to say a woman -- when getting an abortion -- is "murdering" her child, that's what I'm going to say and there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to stop me. You repeating like a broken record, "Murder is a legal matter, not your opinion" isn't going to stop me from saying it's "murder". Got it...Chuck? I mean, really, what is it you think you're going to do about it if I claim a woman aborting her child is a "murderer", who committed "murder"? Anything? I can type "Abortion is murder" here on this thread as many times as I desire and all you can do is just simply say, "Murder is a legal matter, not your opinion" or some variation thereof...nothing more. Too bad...so sad...eh? Want to see something cool? Watch.
ABORTION IS MURDER
ABORTION IS MURDER
ABORTION IS MURDER
ABORTION IS MURDER
ABORTION IS MURDER
ABORTION IS MURDER
ABORTION IS MURDER
Wow, would you look at that? I said it seven times. So, now, what are you going to do about it?
CG, your religious bias will not control the law.
What's alleged religious bias got to do with anything? You trying to say one has to be religious, to be opposed to murder? And, you have no authority in telling me what controls what. And, besides, my alleged religious bias already does control the law. In my state, one has to wait 72 hours before they can get an abortion. It was the religious bias of Utahns, as well as those biased against murder, which compelled this law. Oops...laughs on you...isn't it? So, we'll see who and what controls what.
Well in just this thread there are you, Joe, and Jake and Grandma...and the only time the 4 of you are ever happy is when you think of dead babies filling up the bio-hazard dumpsters.
Pro abortionists are sick puppies who support the killing of millions of human beings by calling them fetus, as if they are not living human beings (scientifically incorrect). They do this with the same self righteous attitude that allowed whites to legally kill black Americans by calling them ni**ers, as if they were less than complete human beings too...end of story.
Nobody is pro-abortion...end of story.
Roo, are you a Christian? Simple question.
Well in just this thread there are you, Joe, and Jake and Grandma...and the only time the 4 of you are ever happy is when you think of dead babies filling up the bio-hazard dumpsters.
Nobody is pro-abortion...end of story.
Roo, if you are not a Christian, that's fine. A question is not an assumption.
You are entitled to your opinions concerning abortion, but you will see the GOP party platform include exceptions for rape and incest in 2016.
Thats fine, but abortion will not break up the party.Roo, if you are not a Christian, that's fine. A question is not an assumption. You are entitled to your opinions concerning abortion, but you will see the GOP party platform include exceptions for rape and incest in 2016.
I gave you your answer. There is no such thing as "pro abortion", there is only pro choice. .
The issue you need to come to terms with is why you have such a hard time accepting that YOUR position is PRO ABORTION.
Truthfully, there aren't any conditions that I'm aware of in which having a baby is a death sentence. I think diabetes is potentially dangerous for both mother and child, but I know a lot of diabetics who have had healthy babies and who didn't die themselves. Toxemia is potentially life threatening, but generally doesn't show up until the end of the pregnancy, and most women opt to carry the child anyway.
So what are all these "conditions" which result in pregnancy being a death sentence?
Truthfully, there aren't any conditions that I'm aware of in which having a baby is a death sentence. I think diabetes is potentially dangerous for both mother and child, but I know a lot of diabetics who have had healthy babies and who didn't die themselves. Toxemia is potentially life threatening, but generally doesn't show up until the end of the pregnancy, and most women opt to carry the child anyway.
So what are all these "conditions" which result in pregnancy being a death sentence?
An ectopic pregnancy, or eccysis, is a complication of pregnancy in which the embryo implants outside the uterine cavity.[1] With rare exceptions, ectopic pregnancies are not viable. Furthermore, they are dangerous for the mother, since internal haemorrhage is a life-threatening complication. Most ectopic pregnancies occur in the Fallopian tube (so-called tubal pregnancies), but implantation can also occur in the cervix, ovaries, and abdomen. An ectopic pregnancy is a potential medical emergency, and, if not treated properly, can lead to death.
SOURCE: Ectopic pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I will define yours: all of your posts together clearly reflect "no abortion under any condition".
Ok absolutely, ectopic, yes. I forgot that one. I know what it is.
That's about all I can think of.
The answer is that nobody is pro abortion. People may support a woman's right to control her own body, but that does not mean they are "pro" abortion. Nobody is out there saying "rah, rah, lets all get an abortion".
Who EVER said "abortion is no big deal"?
"Nobody is pro-abortion because nobody is pro-abortion" is not an answer. It's an admission that you're a poltroon and full of shit.
Not that we didn't all know that about you, but thanks for admitting that you actually do know it, as well. And thank you also for embracing the title of "pro-abortion".
Tuck tail and run away now, pro-abortion coward. Come back if you ever have the guts to answer the question.
I gave you your answer. There is no such thing as "pro abortion", there is only pro choice. That you don't like the answer is your hang up not mine.
I gave you your answer. There is no such thing as "pro abortion", there is only pro choice. That you don't like the answer is your hang up not mine.
Since my question was NOT "Is there such a thing as 'pro-abortion'", that cannot possibly be the answer. Reading for comprehension is fun. Try it sometime.
That you can't answer means you're pro-abortion and embracing it. That you don't like that is YOUR hangup, not mine. Unlike you, I was able to read and understand my post.
You're finished here, pro-abortion coward. Buh bye.
You would like to attribute to me your views of my views on abortion. It does't work, but you can keep trying. It's the conservative thing to do after all.
Truthfully, there aren't any conditions that I'm aware of in which having a baby is a death sentence. I think diabetes is potentially dangerous for both mother and child, but I know a lot of diabetics who have had healthy babies and who didn't die themselves. Toxemia is potentially life threatening, but generally doesn't show up until the end of the pregnancy, and most women opt to carry the child anyway.
So what are all these "conditions" which result in pregnancy being a death sentence?
Pregnancy is the most dangerous thing most women ever encounter in their lives.
http://globalhealth.duke.edu/documents/ABC_Challenge_Maternal_Health_Facts.pdf
"Nobody is pro-abortion because nobody is pro-abortion" is not an answer. It's an admission that you're a poltroon and full of shit.
Not that we didn't all know that about you, but thanks for admitting that you actually do know it, as well. And thank you also for embracing the title of "pro-abortion".
Tuck tail and run away now, pro-abortion coward. Come back if you ever have the guts to answer the question.
I gave you your answer. There is no such thing as "pro abortion", there is only pro choice. That you don't like the answer is your hang up not mine.
Correct.
No one is pro abortion.
The issue centers on the solution.
Those of us who are opposed to abortion are opposed to laws banning abortion because they wont work; such measures will simply drive the practice underground.
Those of us who are opposed to abortion are opposed to laws banning abortion because these laws would violate the Constitutional right to privacy. Moreover, these laws would grant unwarranted power to the state to interfere in citizens personal lives.
The conflict centers on how to end the practice, or at least reduce its occurrence as much as possible, not that abortion is wrong or immoral which it clearly is.
