Can socialists in this country explain how taxing American corporations/companies more is good?

[Conservative65]

Of course, corporate "figures" have nothing to do with it.

Tell me ... how come your hallowed table (misleading as it is) doesn't have a tax consumption column? Which one of your "divisions" - something you seem to be particularly good at - consume the most tax dollars?

If corps don't pay, who does, dupe?

Tax consumption is hard to say...who uses infrastructure the most? Etc etc etc....The point is, who's laughing to the bank? Who's losing? see sig.

Consumption isn't hard to say. EVERY person that receives social welfare does not pay the taxes that fund it. Every person receiving social welfare funded at the State level does not pay the taxes that fund it.

sorry to inform you welfare checks are taxed just like yours or mine is... look it up yourself

In theory, as you know, their income is so low they pay no income taxes.

But as we have seen pay plenty of other taxes duh. And pay STATE income taxes.

Ever notice how people like JQP constantly worry about what someone else has or does.? If he spent half as much time worrying about himself and bettering himself, he might be one of those that people like him worry about. He shows a lot of envy about the possessions and wealth of other people. Must be jealousy.

It's much worse than that. He actually believes that the reason we have poor people is because the rich have too much money. As if they had less, it would somehow help those poor.

This is evident in his repeated posts of how much of "the wealth" wealthy people have, as if there was a limited amount of money in this country. There is no "the wealth." Every American can make as much as they desire, and it doesn't matter how much money rich people have. Nobody is stopping anybody from earning or investing.

Poor means you don't have adequate money. The solution to poverty? Get more money. How does one get more money? Work more hours and decrease your unnecessary spending.

As a country, we've tried that for 50 years only to have the same percentage of people in poverty today as we did BEFORE spending $22 trillion to do what JQP thinks will help them become less poor. Apparently the way JQP thinks the poor should get more money is to take it from those he thinks don't need as much as they have.

People like JQP talk about leveling the playing field and that many of the very wealthy had a head start above the poor. The country could take every bit of money that exists among all 320 million people that live here, divide it up EQUALLY, and in 20 years, those complaining now that there are people that don't have as much as someone else would be complaining again based on exactly what you said. It's the person. If someone wants to sit sleep until noon, sit on their ass, and play video games all day, go for it. However, realize that doesn't pay a lot and those that go out and do something meaningful are going to have more income and, eventually, more wealth.

I don't need you to speak for me. You have enough trouble speaking for yourself. You make self fulfilling hypotheses with no factual basis supporting them. Dividing all the money equally wouldn't be enough nor would that be desirable. But if that were to happen, division of property and assets would also have to occur. Then laws would have to be made to protect the interests of the common good against monopolistic tyrants and the proliferation of oligarchs .

But, if their political stewards,in the GOP had their way, there wouldn't be a middle class. The middle class is disappearing and you fiddle while Rome burns!

Actually it's quite the opposite. It's more like if liberals had their way.

It's liberals who are crying to let more foreigners in this country to take our jobs.

It's liberals who run those over priced colleges that put those kids in debt.

It's DumBama and the Democrats that came out with the idea of taking away income tax refunds from people who didn't participate in Commie Care.

It's DumBama that wanted to raise our energy costs sky high to pander to the environmentalists.

It's Democrats who have put all these people on social programs so they can no longer be considered middle-class.

It was DumBama that's responsible for greatly increasing the cost of cigarettes most of which are use by the middle-class and the poor.

If there were ever an enemy of the middle-class it sure isn't Republicans. It's Democrats who are robbing them blind.

Democrat policies expand the welfare state and create dependency then they blame others for the economy. If you give someone that doesn't really want to work the ability to not work by handing him/her as much or more than they could earn with their skills, only a fool thinks they'll work.

Where do you get that shit from? There are plenty of rich democrats and plenty of working middle class Democrats as well. The hardest working people in America are Democrats…Ever heard of Unions? The very word "LABOR" reeks of Democrat influence.
Democrats are the champions of LABOR..Hell they ARE LABOR! The lazy fucks are the Republicans who leech off the labor of Democrats and want most of the profit for themselves. The GOP does not WANT a middle class… They want a world of haves and have nots.
The GOP War on the Middle Class: It’s Time for Americans to Fight Back | PoliticusUSA's Archives

Unions allow people to work less not more. Anyone that has to use a union isn't worth hiring. They're saying I don't want to work.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Lets put a typical figure on that debt. Maybe then you can understand it better:

How The $1.2 Trillion College Debt Crisis Is Crippling Students, Parents And The Economy

Two-thirds, that’s right, two-thirds of students graduating from American colleges and universities are graduating with some level of debt. How much? According to The Institute for College Access and Success (TICAS) Project on Student Debt, the average borrower will graduate $26,600 in the red. While we’ve all heard the screaming headlines of graduates with crippling debt of $100,000 or more, this is the case for only about 1% of graduates. That said, one in 10 graduates accumulate more than $40,000.

Overall, the national student debt is 1.2 Trillion!

Yep, and those for profit liberal colleges are making about a 20% profit. Imagine that, a 20% profit. Do you realize how successful you could become if only colleges sold stock?

 

[Wilbur Right]

What you don't seem to get is that the worker has the option to become an owner.

How many businesses do you own? What is the purpose of your business? Will your business pass through to kids or family members when you are retired? Did you start your business recently? Or a long time business owner?

Just curious to know if you practiced what you preach.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Have you been to church lately? This man can answer your question much better than I can:

Yeah, I'm sure you go to church everyday.

I love how you on the left make fun of religious people on the right, but bring up Jesus or God when you think it can support your point. Other than that, he's just some made-up guy in the sky.

 

[Conservative65]

What you don't seem to get is that the worker has the option to become an owner.

How many businesses do you own? What is the purpose of your business? Will your business pass through to kids or family members when you are retired? Did you start your business recently? Or a long time business owner?

Just curious to know if you practiced what you preach.

Just curious to know whether you have proof of your claim about my living situation?

Let me guess, you're going to tell me you have multiple businesses, that they'll pass to your family, and you started it long ago?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Where do you get that shit from? There are plenty of rich democrats and plenty of working middle class Democrats as well. The hardest working people in America are Democrats…Ever heard of Unions? The very word "LABOR" reeks of Democrat influence.
Democrats are the champions of LABOR..Hell they ARE LABOR! The lazy fucks are the Republicans who leech off the labor of Democrats and want most of the profit for themselves. The GOP does not WANT a middle class… They want a world of haves and have nots.

Now how could anybody challenge an article written by world renown Politicus

The article fails to explain how this war on the middle-class is being conducted and what measures are used. All it says is that the rich are getting richer which doesn't explain what that has to do with middle-class people.

 

[Mac1958]

Two year tax amnesty on repatriated funds.

15% corporate tax rate, 5% minimum.
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[Wilbur Right]

Unions allow people to work less not more. Anyone that has to use a union isn't worth hiring. They're saying I don't want to work.

LMAO. How did you become so fucking stupid.

I know two union machinists. They work for Lord Industries making parts for military helicopters. They work their asses off.
They belong to the international.association of machinists and aero space workers.

You fucking don't know what you are talking about..again.

 

[Conservative65]

Unions allow people to work less not more. Anyone that has to use a union isn't worth hiring. They're saying I don't want to work.

LMAO. How did you become so fucking stupid.

I know two union machinists. They work for Lord Industries making parts for military helicopters. They work their asses off.
They belong to the international.association of machinists and aero space workers.

You fucking don't know what you are talking about..again.

Sure you do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Obama isn't so dumb. I think he is quite bright and possibly one of our best presidents ever. Yes, he with the help of Congress reduced the abject theft credit card companies were perpetrating upon the American consumers.

No, all he did was force them to shift credit card company costs to other people.

Credit cards did make their money from people that didn't pay them on time. But typical liberal thinking, the credit card companies would just dig deeper into their pockets and have one less limo or yacht.

What happened is that the companies started to charge transfer fees to their good, honest and responsible borrowers. They were forced to recoup that loss in other places.

So now the worthless irresponsible customers (likely Democrat voters) get a break and the charge now goes to honest responsible customers (likely Republican voters). I've been using credit cards for decades, and since this idiotic law passed, it's the first time I've ever had to pay a transfer fee even though I have an outstanding credit rating.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

LMAO. How did you become so fucking stupid.

I know two union machinists. They work for Lord Industries making parts for military helicopters. They work their asses off.
They belong to the international.association of machinists and aero space workers.

You fucking don't know what you are talking about..again.

I know what I'm talking about. Try going to a UAW plant sometime and tell me the same thing about them. You want to talk about the most useless MFs on the planet.

My employer quit taking deliveries to those plants because it cost us way too much time. He can't pay a driver to sit somewhere for 6 hours to get unloaded--a job any non-union company can do in less than 45 minutes.

 

[JQPublic1]

No, I am taking about people I have researched and know something about. Sure there are some self made millionaires but a lot of them inherited their wealth. The self-made rich folks came about due to luck, some hard work and perseverance if you believe their version…but there is always another story they would rather you and I didn't know about how they gained their wealth. There may be a few exceptions.

Yes, just a few:

https://kapdesign.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/millionaires_nodiplomas_kap1.jpg


NCPA Study: Inheritance Has Little To Do With Wealth

My point is that to build wealth you have to have people working for you for a small portion of what YOU gain from their labor!

Are you saying the worker should make as much as the owner?

What you don't seem to get is that the worker has the option to become an owner.

I'd like to see more co-ops!

 

[JQPublic1]

Obama isn't so dumb. I think he is quite bright and possibly one of our best presidents ever. Yes, he with the help of Congress reduced the abject theft credit card companies were perpetrating upon the American consumers.

No, all he did was force them to shift credit card company costs to other people.

Credit cards did make their money from people that didn't pay them on time. But typical liberal thinking, the credit card companies would just dig deeper into their pockets and have one less limo or yacht.

What happened is that the companies started to charge transfer fees to their good, honest and responsible borrowers. They were forced to recoup that loss in other places.

So now the worthless irresponsible customers (likely Democrat voters) get a break and the charge now goes to honest responsible customers (likely Republican voters). I've been using credit cards for decades, and since this idiotic law passed, it's the first time I've ever had to pay a transfer fee even though I have an outstanding credit rating.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Just curious to know whether you have proof of your claim about my living situation?

Let me guess, you're going to tell me you have multiple businesses, that they'll pass to your family, and you started it long ago?

Dude it's ok. I am not going to come to your house and fuck you up. I don't know where you live or care where you live.

But I do know you are a worthless, lying piece of white trash with a second home on this message board.

LMAO.

And it's ok you don't have a business. I mean, who in the fuck would do business with you? Besides your butt buddy Ray Ray. And he's got no money either.

 

[Conservative65]

No, I am taking about people I have researched and know something about. Sure there are some self made millionaires but a lot of them inherited their wealth. The self-made rich folks came about due to luck, some hard work and perseverance if you believe their version…but there is always another story they would rather you and I didn't know about how they gained their wealth. There may be a few exceptions.

Yes, just a few:

https://kapdesign.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/millionaires_nodiplomas_kap1.jpg


NCPA Study: Inheritance Has Little To Do With Wealth

My point is that to build wealth you have to have people working for you for a small portion of what YOU gain from their labor!

Are you saying the worker should make as much as the owner?

What you don't seem to get is that the worker has the option to become an owner.

I'd like to see more co-ops!

They're voluntary.

Still didn't answer the question.

 

[JQPublic1]

If corps don't pay, who does, dupe?

Tax consumption is hard to say...who uses infrastructure the most? Etc etc etc....The point is, who's laughing to the bank? Who's losing? see sig.

Consumption isn't hard to say. EVERY person that receives social welfare does not pay the taxes that fund it. Every person receiving social welfare funded at the State level does not pay the taxes that fund it.

sorry to inform you welfare checks are taxed just like yours or mine is... look it up yourself

In theory, as you know, their income is so low they pay no income taxes.

But as we have seen pay plenty of other taxes duh. And pay STATE income taxes.

Ever notice how people like JQP constantly worry about what someone else has or does.? If he spent half as much time worrying about himself and bettering himself, he might be one of those that people like him worry about. He shows a lot of envy about the possessions and wealth of other people. Must be jealousy.

It's much worse than that. He actually believes that the reason we have poor people is because the rich have too much money. As if they had less, it would somehow help those poor.

This is evident in his repeated posts of how much of "the wealth" wealthy people have, as if there was a limited amount of money in this country. There is no "the wealth." Every American can make as much as they desire, and it doesn't matter how much money rich people have. Nobody is stopping anybody from earning or investing.

Poor means you don't have adequate money. The solution to poverty? Get more money. How does one get more money? Work more hours and decrease your unnecessary spending.

As a country, we've tried that for 50 years only to have the same percentage of people in poverty today as we did BEFORE spending $22 trillion to do what JQP thinks will help them become less poor. Apparently the way JQP thinks the poor should get more money is to take it from those he thinks don't need as much as they have.

People like JQP talk about leveling the playing field and that many of the very wealthy had a head start above the poor. The country could take every bit of money that exists among all 320 million people that live here, divide it up EQUALLY, and in 20 years, those complaining now that there are people that don't have as much as someone else would be complaining again based on exactly what you said. It's the person. If someone wants to sit sleep until noon, sit on their ass, and play video games all day, go for it. However, realize that doesn't pay a lot and those that go out and do something meaningful are going to have more income and, eventually, more wealth.

I don't need you to speak for me. You have enough trouble speaking for yourself. You make self fulfilling hypotheses with no factual basis supporting them. Dividing all the money equally wouldn't be enough nor would that be desirable. But if that were to happen, division of property and assets would also have to occur. Then laws would have to be made to protect the interests of the common good against monopolistic tyrants and the proliferation of oligarchs .

But, if their political stewards,in the GOP had their way, there wouldn't be a middle class. The middle class is disappearing and you fiddle while Rome burns!

Actually it's quite the opposite. It's more like if liberals had their way.

It's liberals who are crying to let more foreigners in this country to take our jobs.

It's liberals who run those over priced colleges that put those kids in debt.

It's DumBama and the Democrats that came out with the idea of taking away income tax refunds from people who didn't participate in Commie Care.

It's DumBama that wanted to raise our energy costs sky high to pander to the environmentalists.

It's Democrats who have put all these people on social programs so they can no longer be considered middle-class.

It was DumBama that's responsible for greatly increasing the cost of cigarettes most of which are use by the middle-class and the poor.

If there were ever an enemy of the middle-class it sure isn't Republicans. It's Democrats who are robbing them blind.

Democrat policies expand the welfare state and create dependency then they blame others for the economy. If you give someone that doesn't really want to work the ability to not work by handing him/her as much or more than they could earn with their skills, only a fool thinks they'll work.

Where do you get that shit from? There are plenty of rich democrats and plenty of working middle class Democrats as well. The hardest working people in America are Democrats…Ever heard of Unions? The very word "LABOR" reeks of Democrat influence.
Democrats are the champions of LABOR..Hell they ARE LABOR! The lazy fucks are the Republicans who leech off the labor of Democrats and want most of the profit for themselves. The GOP does not WANT a middle class… They want a world of haves and have nots.
The GOP War on the Middle Class: It’s Time for Americans to Fight Back | PoliticusUSA's Archives

Unions allow people to work less not more. Anyone that has to use a union isn't worth hiring. They're saying I don't want to work.

 

[Conservative65]

Just curious to know whether you have proof of your claim about my living situation?

Let me guess, you're going to tell me you have multiple businesses, that they'll pass to your family, and you started it long ago?

Dude it's ok. I am not going to come to your house and fuck you up. I don't know where you live or care where you live.

But I do know you are a worthless, lying piece of white trash with a second home on this message board.

LMAO.

And it's ok you don't have a business. I mean, who in the fuck would do business with you? Besides your butt buddy Ray Ray. And he's got no money either.

Big man on the internet talking about fucking people up. You couldn't whip your own ass. As long as you have an excuse, you feel better about yourself.

You indicate you own a business. What's the name, address, and owner's name?

 

[JQPublic1]

No, I am taking about people I have researched and know something about. Sure there are some self made millionaires but a lot of them inherited their wealth. The self-made rich folks came about due to luck, some hard work and perseverance if you believe their version…but there is always another story they would rather you and I didn't know about how they gained their wealth. There may be a few exceptions.

Yes, just a few:

https://kapdesign.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/millionaires_nodiplomas_kap1.jpg


NCPA Study: Inheritance Has Little To Do With Wealth

My point is that to build wealth you have to have people working for you for a small portion of what YOU gain from their labor!

Are you saying the worker should make as much as the owner?

What you don't seem to get is that the worker has the option to become an owner.

I'd like to see more co-ops!

They're voluntary.

Still didn't answer the question.

It is a given that the employee doesn't make as much as the owner…. I think more workers ought to organize into Co-ops and own the means of production.. They can either vote in a manager or hire one who has to answer directly to them.

 

[Wilbur Right]

You indicate you own a business. What's the name, address, and owner's name?

I did? Where?

Stupid, I asked you if YOU own a business.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Obama isn't so dumb. I think he is quite bright and possibly one of our best presidents ever. Yes, he with the help of Congress reduced the abject theft credit card companies were perpetrating upon the American consumers.

No, all he did was force them to shift credit card company costs to other people.

Credit cards did make their money from people that didn't pay them on time. But typical liberal thinking, the credit card companies would just dig deeper into their pockets and have one less limo or yacht.

What happened is that the companies started to charge transfer fees to their good, honest and responsible borrowers. They were forced to recoup that loss in other places.

So now the worthless irresponsible customers (likely Democrat voters) get a break and the charge now goes to honest responsible customers (likely Republican voters). I've been using credit cards for decades, and since this idiotic law passed, it's the first time I've ever had to pay a transfer fee even though I have an outstanding credit rating.

Credit card companies are raising interest rates and fees seven months before new rules go into effect that will limit their ability to do so, much to the irritation of Congress and consumer advocates.

Chase, for instance, will raise the minimum payment required of some of its customers from 2 percent to 5 percent of the statement balance starting in August. Chase and Discover have increased the maximum fee charged for transferring a balance to the card to 5 percent of the amount, up from 3 and 4 percent, respectively. Bank of America last month raised the transaction fee for balance transfers and cash advances from 3 to 4 percent. Card issuers including Bank of America and Citi also continue to cut limits and hike up rates, which they have been doing with more frequency since January.

Credit Card Issuers Raising Rates, Fees Ahead of New Law