Can socialists in this country explain how taxing American corporations/companies more is good?

[Ray From Cleveland]

As a country, we've tried that for 50 years only to have the same percentage of people in poverty today as we did BEFORE spending $22 trillion to do what JQP thinks will help them become less poor. Apparently the way JQP thinks the poor should get more money is to take it from those he thinks don't need as much as they have.

People like JQP talk about leveling the playing field and that many of the very wealthy had a head start above the poor. The country could take every bit of money that exists among all 320 million people that live here, divide it up EQUALLY, and in 20 years, those complaining now that there are people that don't have as much as someone else would be complaining again based on exactly what you said. It's the person. If someone wants to sit sleep until noon, sit on their ass, and play video games all day, go for it. However, realize that doesn't pay a lot and those that go out and do something meaningful are going to have more income and, eventually, more wealth.

I learned this young on.

One time when I was with my father as a child, we were going somewhere and had to drive through the bad part of town.

I gazed at all the hapless helpless people lingering in the projects with broken windows, garbage strewn everywhere, and worn clothing. So I told my father I wished I had a million dollars. A million dollars was a lot of money back in the 60's. My father asked why, and I replied I'd like to give to these people so they didn't have to live here anymore.

My father turned to me and smiled at my innocence and said "Son, you could give each and every one of these people a million dollars, and in a few years, they will be right back here where they started."

I didn't understand what he meant until I got a little older. But I always remembered the lesson taught. You simply can't fund poverty and expect it to go away. And as long as we promote the procreation of poor children, poverty can never end. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

[Markle]

seems like everything you say is wrong I clearly said Part D NOT B is unfunded ... 500 billion dollars that weren't funded by a tax ... then you go on and on about parts that are funded ... when will you pull your head out of your ass... then theres no child left behind another trillion dollar debt created by republicans, then corrected by Obama...

theres more... but you're to stupid to realize what the hells going on ... in obama care part of the bill they passed that the republicans tried to repeal, hell they even took it to the supreme court saying it was unconstitutional and they failed there too ... the bill was to pay for subsidies and medicaid ... it was a tax on medical equipment a 2 .2% tax ... so far according too the government the people on medicaid aren't costing the taxpayer a dime ... but you sure love to complain about people in government thats cost you next to nothing ... you could care less on these corporations who are costing you and I trillions of dollars of tax dollars ... what does these republicans do ??? they give you this "they're getting free be's" but failing to tell you at what the cost ... like all republicans they are to lazy to look up anything


welfare is one program ... section 8 in some states is one program ... food stamps is one program ... as I stated all these programs are grafted on the federal budget site ... where you will see .008 for welfare ... 2. for food stamps ... you sit and whine about something that really doesn't cost the american taxpayer anything ... all the moneys coming from these programs creat income for the country and the tax payer... it amazes me how ignorant you are about something that you feel are getting free be's

I'm very sorry about your comprehension problem. But I'm not going to go back, look up each Bush program you post, and prove you wrong repeatedly. Maybe you should stay away from liberal BS sites before you post.

That is correct, Republicans want to repeal Commie Care. The federal government has no place to force it's citizens to buy something they may not want, need, or can afford. So yes, if Trump gets in, it will get repealed if it doesn't fall apart by the time he gets in. Aetna (like several providers) recently pulled out of the market in most states it was in. Nobody can stay in business taking a loss, but liberals can't seem to comprehend that.

Corporations don't cost taxpayers trillions. Idiotic plans like Commie Care cost taxpayers trillions. All money doesn't belong to government, so if they take less from companies, that doesn't mean it costs the taxpayers anything.

Then you wonder why we refer to you people as the Uninformed Voters in this country.

proof one: in other word you can't prove it to be wrong right !!!! Bush passed the no child left behind unfunded and like I always say about republicans they're to lazy to do any research... proof one, you're a liar ...

proof two: I posted that medicare part d was never funded by the Bush administration and again you're too lazy to look it up all you're concerned here is to try and make nasty remarks here to posters and you found out real fast I can too... proof two, you're a liar ...

proof three: then I pointed out too you what Obama did to fund medicare part d and you again were too lazy to look it up ... the problem with your types is you have this hatred towards Democrats/liberals that you will sit and whine about something fox noise told you and you never take the time to look it ... but you're quick on the trigger to make a nasty remark about Dems/liberals ... proof three, you're a liar ...

its not me that has a compression problem it is you that has this problem and it shows in your responses ... the press and the republicans say the people who support trump are uneducated ... I guess you fit into that mold... proof four, you're a liar ...

I assume that English is your second or third language. Is that true?

 

[Markle]

My point is that to build wealth you have to have people working for you for a small portion of what YOU gain from their labor!

Only in some cases. Look at those millionaire professional athletes, the entertainment sector such as Hollywood or the music industry, hedge fund managers, commodities traders, real estate tycoons........

As for those in actual industry, yes, they have people working for them. What's your point? Every worker who takes a job offered from somebody else realizes they are going to make their employer a lot of money. There is nothing wrong with that. I've never taken a job with the expectation that my salary would move along with the profit of a company or the owners paycheck. I agreed to do X job for X amount of money and benefits. Providing my employer lives up to his agreement, I live up to mine. End of story.

If you don't see anything wrong with 20% of the population owning 84% of the wealth and gaining more every year something is wrong with YOU.

How has the policies and doctrines of Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama improved the situation you inexplicably abhor?

So long as I have all I need and want, I don't give a rat's behind as to how much YOU need, want or have. Why should it make a difference?

 

[bripat9643]

You have people that don't want to work and JQP1 can't understand why they don't accumulate wealth.

You stupid fuck. You are one of those that don't/ won't work. Proof? You sit on your fucking fat ass posting nonsense from your mother's basement for hours and hours each and every day.

You call spreading Bullshit and lies"work"? LMAO. What's it pay?
MW?

I've addressed that if you think you know so much about where I live you must know where it is. To claim what you claim means you have to know where it is and I've told you I can guarantee you don't and can prove you haven't been within a thousand yards of it.

Get back to frying hash browns. The customers are waiting.

Hey con man. You know what the word "rhetorical" means?
I know it's a big word and you have a pea brain. But still. Use a dictionary and look it up.

Knowing the definition of the word will help you understand that my claiming you live in your mother's basement is claiming you are a worthless dead beat...........living in a basement somewhere.

And I can do that without asking you directly; where do you live?
LMAO

You obviously don't know what the word "rhetorical," because what you posted doesn't fit the definition. You made a specific accusation which either true or not.

 

[bripat9643]

That's the problem, liberals want to distribute wealth. Liberals love giving away stuff that isn't theirs.

No, the earth and its resources belong to us ALL. A relatively few have laid claim to most of it mainly through war and exploitation.. They took what didn't belong to THEM and capitalized ON IT. The blood of our sons have paid for their wealth in wars and still you petition on behalf of the top 20%. If you are alive when the rich have it ALL…100% of the wealth… they will be as gods. Is that your vision? You'll never be one of them so you are arguing for your own demise.

No, if I paid for it and earned it, it belongs to me. What I have, I've worked for and didn't get it through war or exploiting anyone.

No one wants to take anything from you. You are probably one of those 80% struggling to get or maintain a piece of the small slice of wealth left to us by the 20%. If you actually worked for what you have I respect you. If you are like Trump, who never worked a day in his life, I don't respect you.

What you call a lack of respect for certain people is jealousy. He could buy and sell a chimp like you and there isn't a damn thing you could do about it. That makes you mad and jealous.

I knew it was only a matter of time before a virus like you infected this thread with racism. Fortunately you don't KNOW my race so your code words like "chimp" have no sting. You also assume I am jealous of Trump! Heh heh heh…I am far richer because I am surrounded by people who love me…not for my money but for my self. Trump can'y buy me because I refuse to be bought. I'd rather die first…unlike you..you steaming pile of shit!

How is it racist? Are you black?

 

[bripat9643]

No one wants to take anything from you. You are probably one of those 80% struggling to get or maintain a piece of the small slice of wealth left to us by the 20%. If you actually worked for what you have I respect you. If you are like Trump, who never worked a day in his life, I don't respect you.

Yeah, Trump never worked a day in his life. He just sat home and millions came rushing through his doorway.

You people on the left need to get away from your television and movies. Movies are a bad source to get your financial information from.

People who work for a living never get rich, People who know how to be good thieves and how to work the system never get their hands dirty. They just exploit the clock punchers and reap the profits their workers make. Then, to protect their ill gotten assets, they send the sons and daughters of the poor and lower middle classes off to fight for their interests…all in the name of patriotism. But their children are shielded form the atrocities of war… They go to universities to lear how to exploit the 80% even more…all to graban even bigger share of that sliver of wealth the masses are fawning over.

So every wealthy person is a thief?

 

[bripat9643]

No, the earth and its resources belong to us ALL. A relatively few have laid claim to most of it mainly through war and exploitation.. They took what didn't belong to THEM and capitalized ON IT. The blood of our sons have paid for their wealth in wars and still you petition on behalf of the top 20%. If you are alive when the rich have it ALL…100% of the wealth… they will be as gods. Is that your vision? You'll never be one of them so you are arguing for your own demise.

The rich will never have it all because there is no all. Again, the failed concept that the reason some are poor is because others are rich.

That's only true in a Monopoly game because the company that made the game only provides so much money. We make a new millionaire every day in this country, so money is infinite.

Your hypothesis sounds good but for several years now I have heard how the rich have taken even more of that thin slice of middle class wealth under Obama. If wealth is infinite why does the middle class shrink as the wealthy get richer?

Great point, but remember Obama has only helped the nonrich himself, though blocked in almost everything....

Obama hasn't helped anyone other than government employees and his favorite crony capitalists.

 

[bripat9643]

seems like everything you say is wrong I clearly said Part D NOT B is unfunded ... 500 billion dollars that weren't funded by a tax ... then you go on and on about parts that are funded ... when will you pull your head out of your ass... then theres no child left behind another trillion dollar debt created by republicans, then corrected by Obama...

theres more... but you're to stupid to realize what the hells going on ... in obama care part of the bill they passed that the republicans tried to repeal, hell they even took it to the supreme court saying it was unconstitutional and they failed there too ... the bill was to pay for subsidies and medicaid ... it was a tax on medical equipment a 2 .2% tax ... so far according too the government the people on medicaid aren't costing the taxpayer a dime ... but you sure love to complain about people in government thats cost you next to nothing ... you could care less on these corporations who are costing you and I trillions of dollars of tax dollars ... what does these republicans do ??? they give you this "they're getting free be's" but failing to tell you at what the cost ... like all republicans they are to lazy to look up anything


welfare is one program ... section 8 in some states is one program ... food stamps is one program ... as I stated all these programs are grafted on the federal budget site ... where you will see .008 for welfare ... 2. for food stamps ... you sit and whine about something that really doesn't cost the american taxpayer anything ... all the moneys coming from these programs creat income for the country and the tax payer... it amazes me how ignorant you are about something that you feel are getting free be's

I'm very sorry about your comprehension problem. But I'm not going to go back, look up each Bush program you post, and prove you wrong repeatedly. Maybe you should stay away from liberal BS sites before you post.

That is correct, Republicans want to repeal Commie Care. The federal government has no place to force it's citizens to buy something they may not want, need, or can afford. So yes, if Trump gets in, it will get repealed if it doesn't fall apart by the time he gets in. Aetna (like several providers) recently pulled out of the market in most states it was in. Nobody can stay in business taking a loss, but liberals can't seem to comprehend that.

Corporations don't cost taxpayers trillions. Idiotic plans like Commie Care cost taxpayers trillions. All money doesn't belong to government, so if they take less from companies, that doesn't mean it costs the taxpayers anything.

Then you wonder why we refer to you people as the Uninformed Voters in this country.

O-Care is a framework that the GOP obstructs reform of, and in fact sabotages. Looks like Dems may have the control it needs soon. Your New BS GOP is a disgrace, dupe.

Why would Obamacare need reform unless it was an ill conceived piece of shit in the first place?

 

[bripat9643]

Your hypothesis sounds good but for several years now I have heard how the rich have taken even more of that thin slice of middle class wealth under Obama. If wealth is infinite why does the middle class shrink as the wealthy get richer?

It's called quantitive easing. It's where the feds pumped in trillions of dollars to over inflate the stock market. That's why the rich have never been richer than under DumBama.

The rich have taken wealth from the middle-class? How? When? I'm middle-class, and I can't seem to remember getting a bill from corporate America to give them money.

The middle-class is shrinking? Well gee, we have 94 million Americans of working age not working nor looking for a job. Think that has something to do with it? Think those foreigners jumping the border and taking our jobs for next to nothing has something to do with it? How can you not have a shrinking middle-class when over 1/3 of your workers don't work and don't want to?

Naaah, that can't be it. It must be the rich peoples fault.

You have people that don't want to work and JQP1 can't understand why they don't accumulate wealth.

Stop lying I never said that! What I see is that some people work two or three jobs and =never get ahead. Some workers have never gotten an increase in salary in years even though the owners of their companies saw huge profits for years. SOme workers now do the work of two employees t because of cuts to the workforce…even as the profits rolled in. Why would I complain about people who don't work when people that do work are getting screwed over…? You are a stupid, byatch!

You can blame that on all the dirt cheap illegals the Dims have imported from third world countries.

 

[bripat9643]

O-Care is a framework that the GOP obstructs reform of, and in fact sabotages. Looks like Dems may have the control it needs soon. Your New BS GOP is a disgrace, dupe.

You clowns on the left even try to blame DumBama's healthcare failure on the Republicans. Republicans had nothing to do with it. Commie Care was passed purely by Democrats only. It's failing. It's going downhill in a ball of flames.

"Barack Insane Obama. The greatest joke America ever played on itself."

Doing great in blue states and areas... Funny...The fact that it was the GOP plan just shows what mindless obstructionists the New BS GOP is, dupe.

Not a single one of them voted for it, so how is the GOP plan?

 

[Markle]

[QUOTE="JQPublic1, post: 15071285, member: 38918]

Pay attention. I am are talking about middle class White people who make way more than 20,000 dollars a year. They are struggling with college and credit card debt, mortgages ,health insurance and auto payments /Insurance. Some have graduated from college only to return to their parents home to live in the BASEMENT.

Poor people generally can't even get credit because they can't qualify for anything more than the usurious rates offered by loan sharks. But some have no choice and they fall into the trap just as their well paid American neighbors do. MIss a payment and even the mainstream credit card companies jack up the rates and report you to one of the three credit bureaus…thereby ruining your credit and hindering you even further.

Lets make your statement "No one owes me, you, or anyone else a damn thing.: ring true. Lets do away with credit altogether. Can you even imagine what will happen then?[/QUOTE]

Pay attention, if a middle-class college graduate, regardless of race or gender is only earning $20,000. per year, they have far more serious problems. Chief among them would be their choice to major in ancient poetry. Encouraged by the government through easily obtained loans.

As for all the loans you list, I have no clue as to how a recent college graduate could accumulate all that debt. The only person who could do such a thing is one with no personal responsibility. After a visit to SE Asia and graduating from the University of Miami, I was still in my 20's. I had no credit card debt, no college loans (I don't know if they existed then) no auto payments although I had a late model Chevrolet but I did have payments on a Harley. I took a second part time job for that payment. Health insurance was paid by my primary employer. I did have auto and motorcycle insurance.

Here is a simple way for "poor" people to not be in poverty. It has to do with Personal Responsibility.

 

[francoHFW]

My point is that the rich don't pay enough, the middle class too much, and the usual GOP bs that the poor pay nothing is crazy brainwashed nonsense. Include fees and they pay about what I always said. Try and get past it. lol

Believe me, we understand that was your point ... too bad it's invalid, and rooted in a simple ignorance of economics.

How so, dingbat dupe?

What would you say is the biggest consideration people make when deciding whether or not to buy a good or use a service?

What is the #1 purpose for a business.

Lack of guts? lol

Thanks for the proof you have no concept and understanding of economics.

Price, duh. Make a profit, duh. But how to do that when the greedy idiot GOP has wrecked the middle class and DEMAND?

 

[francoHFW]

O-Care is a framework that the GOP obstructs reform of, and in fact sabotages. Looks like Dems may have the control it needs soon. Your New BS GOP is a disgrace, dupe.

You clowns on the left even try to blame DumBama's healthcare failure on the Republicans. Republicans had nothing to do with it. Commie Care was passed purely by Democrats only. It's failing. It's going downhill in a ball of flames.

"Barack Insane Obama. The greatest joke America ever played on itself."

Doing great in blue states and areas... Funny...The fact that it was the GOP plan just shows what mindless obstructionists the New BS GOP is, dupe.

Not a single one of them voted for it, so how is the GOP plan?

It's Nixon', Dole's, and the GOP's in 1993- every time the Dems put up a plan. Makes it pretty obvious they're actually against ANY system that's not the Pub scam "system"...

 

[Markle]

No one wants to take anything from you. You are probably one of those 80% struggling to get or maintain a piece of the small slice of wealth left to us by the 20%. If you actually worked for what you have I respect you. If you are like Trump, who never worked a day in his life, I don't respect you.

Yeah, Trump never worked a day in his life. He just sat home and millions came rushing through his doorway.

You people on the left need to get away from your television and movies. Movies are a bad source to get your financial information from.

People who work for a living never get rich, People who know how to be good thieves and how to work the system never get their hands dirty. They just exploit the clock punchers and reap the profits their workers make. Then, to protect their ill gotten assets, they send the sons and daughters of the poor and lower middle classes off to fight for their interests…all in the name of patriotism. But their children are shielded form the atrocities of war… They go to universities to lear how to exploit the 80% even more…all to graban even bigger share of that sliver of wealth the masses are fawning over.

Wow...sorry to hear. You must be an epic failure.

 

[Markle]

O-Care is a framework that the GOP obstructs reform of, and in fact sabotages. Looks like Dems may have the control it needs soon. Your New BS GOP is a disgrace, dupe.

You clowns on the left even try to blame DumBama's healthcare failure on the Republicans. Republicans had nothing to do with it. Commie Care was passed purely by Democrats only. It's failing. It's going downhill in a ball of flames.

"Barack Insane Obama. The greatest joke America ever played on itself."

Doing great in blue states and areas... Funny...The fact that it was the GOP plan just shows what mindless obstructionists the New BS GOP is, dupe.

For the billionth time, all republicans don't live in taxachuttettes...

Obama care is not even the obama care the moron and chief signed..

And it's still not in full effect yet.

Obamacare has crashed and is burning. Total failure which is the goal of those who crammed it up our...throats in Congress.

 

[francoHFW]

No one wants to take anything from you. You are probably one of those 80% struggling to get or maintain a piece of the small slice of wealth left to us by the 20%. If you actually worked for what you have I respect you. If you are like Trump, who never worked a day in his life, I don't respect you.

Yeah, Trump never worked a day in his life. He just sat home and millions came rushing through his doorway.

You people on the left need to get away from your television and movies. Movies are a bad source to get your financial information from.

People who work for a living never get rich, People who know how to be good thieves and how to work the system never get their hands dirty. They just exploit the clock punchers and reap the profits their workers make. Then, to protect their ill gotten assets, they send the sons and daughters of the poor and lower middle classes off to fight for their interests…all in the name of patriotism. But their children are shielded form the atrocities of war… They go to universities to lear how to exploit the 80% even more…all to graban even bigger share of that sliver of wealth the masses are fawning over.

Wow...sorry to hear. You must be an epic failure.

We're talking overwhelming trends under Reaganism, still rolling on. You're talking stupid insults, brainwashed hater dupe. This has nothing to do with personal experience, moron.

 

[francoHFW]

O-Care is a framework that the GOP obstructs reform of, and in fact sabotages. Looks like Dems may have the control it needs soon. Your New BS GOP is a disgrace, dupe.

You clowns on the left even try to blame DumBama's healthcare failure on the Republicans. Republicans had nothing to do with it. Commie Care was passed purely by Democrats only. It's failing. It's going downhill in a ball of flames.

"Barack Insane Obama. The greatest joke America ever played on itself."

Doing great in blue states and areas... Funny...The fact that it was the GOP plan just shows what mindless obstructionists the New BS GOP is, dupe.

For the billionth time, all republicans don't live in taxachuttettes...

Obama care is not even the obama care the moron and chief signed..

And it's still not in full effect yet.

Obamacare has crashed and is burning. Total failure which is the goal of those who crammed it up our...throats in Congress.

Actually it's doing just fine and about as expected, especially considering the mindless GOP obstruction, their crony insurers' sabotage, and the fear mongering from their giant propaganda service. For example, in NY prices actually have gone down, and nationwide a majority of those who didn't get insurance on the exchanges never even looked at it because they thought it would be too expensive. Many don't even know about subsidies to make it cheap for many. Great job, a-hole Pubs and silly dupes...

 

[francoHFW]

Believe me, we understand that was your point ... too bad it's invalid, and rooted in a simple ignorance of economics.

How so, dingbat dupe?

What would you say is the biggest consideration people make when deciding whether or not to buy a good or use a service?

What is the #1 purpose for a business.

Lack of guts? lol

Thanks for the proof you have no concept and understanding of economics.

Price, duh. Make a profit, duh. But how to do that when the greedy idiot GOP has wrecked the middle class and DEMAND?

Hilarious, dupe.

 

[Markle]

You have people that don't want to work and JQP1 can't understand why they don't accumulate wealth.

None of these leftist can figure it out. That's what brings on the jealousy.

BS. It's not jealousy, it's reality, dupe. The rich and giant corps are laughing all the way to the bank while the little guys are being ruined by continuing GOP policy, defended to the death by bought off Pubs and silly dupes like you and Con man.

Funny thing is I'm laughing on my way to the bank.

Too bad you don't care about your fellow man or the country.

 

[Markle]

Of course, corporate "figures" have nothing to do with it.

Tell me ... how come your hallowed table (misleading as it is) doesn't have a tax consumption column? Which one of your "divisions" - something you seem to be particularly good at - consume the most tax dollars?

If corps don't pay, who does, dupe?

Tax consumption is hard to say...who uses infrastructure the most? Etc etc etc....The point is, who's laughing to the bank? Who's losing? see sig.

Corps don't pay .... citizens pay. Oh wait ... they already do.

You are just trying to find an alternative source so you don't have to pay. Pretty damn selfish, if you ask me.

Corps paid 30% of total in the 50's, now 10%. Don't be such a chump. I don't mind paying my fair share, but resent GOP fat cats ruining our country.

Will you please tell us all specifically WHO PAYS CORPORATE TAXES? Where does that money originate?

I'd be willing to bet that you believe your employer pays half of your payment to Social Security too.

Corporations pay corporate taxes DUH. LOL

DUH...LOL where do corporations get the money to pay corporate taxes?