Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?

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"Back then we had dictators, kings and queens."

Back then it was better, Democracy is a failed concept and Democracy allows even the stupidest people to vote, a Dictatorship in tandem with a Monarchy is the best system for a nation.

Wow. Just...wow. Your posts in this thread have been absolutely astonishing. You are the most right wing person I've ever run into on the net. It's crazy! Thank God you are not American!
There is no right wing there but history.
She is right, democracy is mob rule. It wasn't like that here before . People could vote only if they had real property. Now, votes are bought. If I am on a government handout. I am getting free food, housing, health care, spending money from one party and the other party says "no more, you need to work for it." Which party do you think I am going to vote for?
 
No, The Constitution did that. Socialism is a fucked up concept thought up by control freaks

The Constitution only offered a bare framework. No safetynet for our nation's vulnerable populations. No restrictions on forcing children to work. No overtime. No health benefits or pensions.

I don't think that's in particular Socialist, I think most people agree that children shouldn't be forced to work, that there should be health benefits and that people deserve a pension.

They agree now - but at one time, it was very radical and socialist.


What you have a link?

Or just taking an opinion from your ass?

Back then we had dictators, kings and queens.

And a young country of capitalist.

Name me the socialist countries in the 1700s I don't even have to Google it to know the numbers.

Capitalism has NO vested interest in anything but the bottom line. What do you suppose forced child labor laws? Minimum wage? Workplace safety? Pensions? Health Benefits? Safetynets for the poor and disabled? Healthcare for the poor and disabled?


The year is 2016...why do you want to fear monger and think every law and rule will be gone?

Btw it was a combination of unions and the great henry Ford.among others.
 
Pure communism/socialism has never worked as a good model, neither has pure capitalism.

What is preventing bringing in private enterprise?
he must have forgotten that casino operations are a capitalistic venture...
There are no casinos on the pine ridge reservation, the federal government will not allow it
Oglala Sioux Tribe of the Pine Ridge Reservation
P.O. Box 2070
Pine Ridge SD 57770
Phone Number: (605) 867-5821
Fax Number: (605) 867-6076
East Wind Casino (info)
Highway 18
Martin, SD
605-867-6300
Prairie Winds Casino (info)
Highway 18
Pine Ridge, SD 57770
605-867-6300
800-705-9463
Neither one of them are on the pine ridge reservation Martin is a few miles outside of it and prairie winds is about 25 miles west of it.

lol, you just got OWNED hard. Wow. Fucking fraud.
They are not on the reservation dumbass
 
Why do conservatives say the pledge?

The pledge says the flag stands for one nation, indivisible.

Conservatives almost to a person believe that the nation IS divisible, constitutionally, via secession of any state or states.
The conservatives did it in 1861 and they have been calling for such a division cause da black man is in da White House...
 
The Constitution only offered a bare framework. No safetynet for our nation's vulnerable populations. No restrictions on forcing children to work. No overtime. No health benefits or pensions.

I don't think that's in particular Socialist, I think most people agree that children shouldn't be forced to work, that there should be health benefits and that people deserve a pension.

They agree now - but at one time, it was very radical and socialist.


What you have a link?

Or just taking an opinion from your ass?

Back then we had dictators, kings and queens.

And a young country of capitalist.

Name me the socialist countries in the 1700s I don't even have to Google it to know the numbers.

Capitalism has NO vested interest in anything but the bottom line. What do you suppose forced child labor laws? Minimum wage? Workplace safety? Pensions? Health Benefits? Safetynets for the poor and disabled? Healthcare for the poor and disabled?


The year is 2016...why do you want to fear monger and think every law and rule will be gone?

Btw it was a combination of unions and the great henry Ford.among others.
Henry Ford,, the Jew hating socialist?
 
he must have forgotten that casino operations are a capitalistic venture...
There are no casinos on the pine ridge reservation, the federal government will not allow it
Oglala Sioux Tribe of the Pine Ridge Reservation
P.O. Box 2070
Pine Ridge SD 57770
Phone Number: (605) 867-5821
Fax Number: (605) 867-6076
East Wind Casino (info)
Highway 18
Martin, SD
605-867-6300
Prairie Winds Casino (info)
Highway 18
Pine Ridge, SD 57770
605-867-6300
800-705-9463
Neither one of them are on the pine ridge reservation Martin is a few miles outside of it and prairie winds is about 25 miles west of it.

lol, you just got OWNED hard. Wow. Fucking fraud.
They are not on the reservation dumbass

East Winds Casino
Tribal Organization: Oglala Sioux Tribe
EAST WINDS CASINO
Highway 18
Martin, South Dakota


They are owned by the tribe....income to the tribe...yes?
 
Pure communism/socialism has never worked as a good model, neither has pure capitalism.

What is preventing bringing in private enterprise?
he must have forgotten that casino operations are a capitalistic venture...
There are no casinos on the pine ridge reservation, the federal government will not allow it

That doesn't make sense...how can there be casinos allowed on other reservations but not pine ridge if it was up to the feds?
Well, there are not any casinos on the Pineridge Indian reservation, and the federal government controls everything that goes on there.

Dude...you need a bit more than that....theoretically...the feds "control" everything on all reservations, if you are correct, yet some are profiting exceedingly well on casinos and other industries....
There is no mining, no casinos, no industry on Pineridge reservation…
 
Why do conservatives say the pledge?

The pledge says the flag stands for one nation, indivisible.

Conservatives almost to a person believe that the nation IS divisible, constitutionally, via secession of any state or states.

Very good point!
 
I happen to know that the Pine Ridge reservation has a casino. They hired me to put in the electrical wiring in their restrooms. I was the first to wire a head for a reservation!
 
I happen to know that the Pine Ridge reservation has a casino. They hired me to put in the electrical wiring in their restrooms. I was the first to wire a head for a reservation!


....thinking we've been had.....:cranky:
 
There are no casinos on the pine ridge reservation, the federal government will not allow it
Oglala Sioux Tribe of the Pine Ridge Reservation
P.O. Box 2070
Pine Ridge SD 57770
Phone Number: (605) 867-5821
Fax Number: (605) 867-6076
East Wind Casino (info)
Highway 18
Martin, SD
605-867-6300
Prairie Winds Casino (info)
Highway 18
Pine Ridge, SD 57770
605-867-6300
800-705-9463
Neither one of them are on the pine ridge reservation Martin is a few miles outside of it and prairie winds is about 25 miles west of it.

lol, you just got OWNED hard. Wow. Fucking fraud.
They are not on the reservation dumbass

East Winds Casino
Tribal Organization: Oglala Sioux Tribe
EAST WINDS CASINO
Highway 18
Martin, South Dakota


They are owned by the tribe....income to the tribe...yes?
Martin South Dakota is not on the reservation
 
No specifics, huh?
If you think you are funny or witty or whatever you think in your deranged mind you are mistaken. It shows only that you are an uninformed, uneducated imbecile who has no idea what he is talking about. You heard it from your superiors that it is what you have to say and you follow orders without thinking on your own. Typical Leftis bot. Uneducated moron.

Don't hold back. Tell us what you REALLY think!
It seems you think you are funny. It is more like you are deranged. You cannot answer a simple question, therefore you are trolling. You are a simpleton getting government "benefits" on our taxpayers money yet you disparage the country and what it stands for. The mad dog biting the feeding hand...that's something to be proud of...

How much am I getting, and when will the check arrive?
You don't need to try to look stupid... you are... an anti-American leech on the neck of society. A troll who doesn't know the Bill of Rights therefore he hates it because he is told to do so by George Soros or one of his anti-American organizations. That sums it up who you are...

I don't know George Soros. I did go to school with a guy by the name of George Soccardo. Could that be who you are talking about?
As I said, do not try to look stupid...you are... you get your marching orders from one of his anti-American organizations. They do not bear the George Soros name. They have fancy names, he has many. Google is your friend. Try it and see how many organizations he finances. (hint) BLM is one of them...
 
Socialism brings out the worst in people

Well, we know the subject brings out the liar in you, don't we? You've never lived anywhere except the USA, so stop making shit up.
You do know Indian reservations are their own sovereign countries, socialist ones?
Lol

What makes Indian Reservations socialist?
There is no private industry, no manufacturing, no capitalism whatsoever - all 100% federal government controlled, that's the reason why they are so fucked up.

Pure communism/socialism has never worked as a good model, neither has pure capitalism.

What is preventing bringing in private enterprise?


Capitalism has worked a thousand times better then socialism ..

We let the socialist countries be socialist..

What part of WE the United states of America don't you understand?

If The capitalist United states didn't exist today they would be gobbled up by Karl Marx communism ..
 
The Pledge of Allegiance is not an expression of patriotism. It is a loyalty oath that one normally associates with totalitarian regimes. People who love freedom, should be appalled by the idea our children are being coerced to stand and declare their support for the state. This is the worst form of indoctrination and it is completely anathema to the principals articulated in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I cannot imagine outspoken libertarians like Thomas Jefferson or Tom Paine ever proclaiming their loyalty to the state when they correctly saw the state as the greatest threat to individual freedom. Which it is.

Now I know that many people think the Pledge is simply an affirmation of their respect for the flag, their love for the country, and their gratitude to the men and women who fought in America’s wars. But that’s not what it is. The Pledge is an attempt to impose conformity on the masses and compel them to click their heels and proclaim their devotion to the Fatherland. That’s not how it’s supposed to work in a democracy. In a democracy, the representatives of the state are supposed to pledge their loyalty to the people and to the laws that protect them. That’s the correct relationship between the state and the people. The Pledge turns that whole concept on its head.

Now I’d have no problem if our schoolchildren recited the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence before class every day:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

That’s great stuff, unfortunately, the people who run this country would never allow it. They’d never allow our kids to recite an incendiary, revolutionary document like that every day for fear it would incite violence against the state. What they want is “good Germans”, not revolutionaries, not freedom-loving populists, and not well-informed, critical thinking individuals who can see through the sham of their jingoistic propaganda. They want people who are going to follow the rules, do what they’re told, fight the wars, and perform their worktime drudgery for 30 or 40 years until they’re carted off to the glue factory. That’s what they want. Reciting the Pledge fits perfectly with this dumbed-down version of permanent indentured servitude. It provides the ideological foundation for bovine acquiescence to the demands of the state and the crooks who run it behind the tri-color banner.

The fact that institutions like the Pledge are never challenged in a public format, points to deeper problems with the media and the way our kids are being educated. And while I don’t have time to talk about that now, it makes me wonder where are the people to question these silly recitations that undermine democracy and personal liberty? Why are their voices never heard?
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Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?

Interesting perspective, one that I've shared for years but never bothered to articulate as well as this author did. Your thoughts?

I remember when having respect for your country was a good thing. If you won't pledge your allegiance to the flag, you aren't pledging allegiance to your country in times of war or other crises. That speaks to character more than anything else. People have died for that flag, and you want us to "evolve"? Nah, you just need to grow up. Be thankful you live in America.
 
Don't hold back. Tell us what you REALLY think!
It seems you think you are funny. It is more like you are deranged. You cannot answer a simple question, therefore you are trolling. You are a simpleton getting government "benefits" on our taxpayers money yet you disparage the country and what it stands for. The mad dog biting the feeding hand...that's something to be proud of...

How much am I getting, and when will the check arrive?
You don't need to try to look stupid... you are... an anti-American leech on the neck of society. A troll who doesn't know the Bill of Rights therefore he hates it because he is told to do so by George Soros or one of his anti-American organizations. That sums it up who you are...

I don't know George Soros. I did go to school with a guy by the name of George Soccardo. Could that be who you are talking about?
As I said, do not try to look stupid...you are... you get your marching orders from one of his anti-American organizations. The do not bear the George Soros name. The have fancy names, he has many. Google is your friend. Try it and see how many organizations he finances. (hint) BLM is one of them...

George Soros founded the Bureau of Land Management?
Damn! That explains what happened in Oregon!
 
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Class III Gaming Compact Approved for Oglala Sioux Tribe
April 26, 2016

A Class III gaming compact has been approved for the Oglala Sioux Tribe of South Dakota.

Craps, Keno, and roulette can now be offered at the tribe's casinos. Slot machines can also be operated.

On April 13 the amendment was approved by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

The East Wind Casino is owned and operated by the tribe. It is located between the Pine Ridge and Rosebud reservations on U.S. Highway 18. They also own the Prairie Wind Casino & Hotel.


Class III Gaming Compact Approved for Oglala Sioux Tribe
 
I have had to show an ID for 37 years to vote in 8 different states.............Even in states that had no voter ID laws...

Gee I have to show an ID every time and I know all the poll workers by first and last name.
 
Recent reports point out that the median income on the Pine Ridge Reservation is approximately $2,600 to $3,500 per year.

Very socialist type wages
 
Class III Gaming Compact Approved for Oglala Sioux Tribe
April 26, 2016

A Class III gaming compact has been approved for the Oglala Sioux Tribe of South Dakota.

Craps, Keno, and roulette can now be offered at the tribe's casinos. Slot machines can also be operated.

On April 13 the amendment was approved by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

The East Wind Casino is owned and operated by the tribe. It is located between the Pine Ridge and Rosebud reservations on U.S. Highway 18. They also own the Prairie Wind Casino & Hotel.


Class III Gaming Compact Approved for Oglala Sioux Tribe
But it is not on the reservation...
 
Class III Gaming Compact Approved for Oglala Sioux Tribe
April 26, 2016

A Class III gaming compact has been approved for the Oglala Sioux Tribe of South Dakota.

Craps, Keno, and roulette can now be offered at the tribe's casinos. Slot machines can also be operated.

On April 13 the amendment was approved by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

The East Wind Casino is owned and operated by the tribe. It is located between the Pine Ridge and Rosebud reservations on U.S. Highway 18. They also own the Prairie Wind Casino & Hotel.


Class III Gaming Compact Approved for Oglala Sioux Tribe

But it is not on the reservation...
yet it is owned by the reservation of the Oglala Sioux tribe, which means it profits from it's operation, which means that they make money, which means it a capitalistic venture......and they not one one but two casinos....
 
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