Can We Say Obama's Foreign Policy is a Failure?

By following Bush's timetable for troop withdrawal?

No, by purposefully fucking up the Status of Forces Agreement.

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The one with the 12/31/11 withdrawal date? The one they tried to extend but Iraq wouldn't give our armed forces immunity? Please tell me how that was purposefully fucked up. How long was long enough to stay in Iraq?

Doesn't matter. You're going to defend your cult leader blow-up doll fantasy no matter what.

Hitlery Clinton and the State Department FUCKED the SOFA in Iraq.

The whole world knows it. And the whole world is laughing at your stupidity behind your back.

stupid fucking dimocrap scum snatched defeat from the jaws of victory -- Again
 
More reading on the incompetence of the stupidest motherfucker to ever hold the office of president....

Iraqi politicians backed into a corner on a Status of Forces Agreement? - Threat Matrix

But recent reporting by The New York Times' Michael Gordon paints a more complicated picture of U.S. incompetence and disengagement. Most notably, the Obama administration's insistence that any Status of Forces Agreement be ratified by Iraq's parliament set the stage for the inevitable failure of any agreement.
Simply put, while a number of Iraqi political leaders may have privately wished for continued American involvement to serve as a buffer and broker between both domestic rivals and neighboring regimes, far fewer were willing to support this position in a public, contentious debate. No one wants to be regarded as an American stooge in the prideful arena of Iraqi politics. Backing parliamentarians into a corner by demanding public ratification doomed a new SOFA to failure.

Like I said, educate yourself.....

But if you did that, you wouldn't be a dimocrap..... :dunno:

So we were going to have a SOFA not ratified by the Iraqi parliament like the 2008 SOFA was? Yeah, that wasn't going to happen.
 
More reading on the incompetence of the stupidest motherfucker to ever hold the office of president....

Iraqi politicians backed into a corner on a Status of Forces Agreement? - Threat Matrix

But recent reporting by The New York Times' Michael Gordon paints a more complicated picture of U.S. incompetence and disengagement. Most notably, the Obama administration's insistence that any Status of Forces Agreement be ratified by Iraq's parliament set the stage for the inevitable failure of any agreement.
Simply put, while a number of Iraqi political leaders may have privately wished for continued American involvement to serve as a buffer and broker between both domestic rivals and neighboring regimes, far fewer were willing to support this position in a public, contentious debate. No one wants to be regarded as an American stooge in the prideful arena of Iraqi politics. Backing parliamentarians into a corner by demanding public ratification doomed a new SOFA to failure.

Like I said, educate yourself.....

But if you did that, you wouldn't be a dimocrap..... :dunno:

So we were going to have a SOFA not ratified by the Iraqi parliament like the 2008 SOFA was? Yeah, that wasn't going to happen.

Quibbling little girl......

We gave Iraq to Iran when we didn't have to.

Iraqi MP: ?Obama has Handed Iraq over to Iran and said ?Do What You Like.? | FrontPage Magazine

Quibble away.

bitch
 
More reading on the incompetence of the stupidest motherfucker to ever hold the office of president....

Iraqi politicians backed into a corner on a Status of Forces Agreement? - Threat Matrix



Like I said, educate yourself.....

But if you did that, you wouldn't be a dimocrap..... :dunno:

So we were going to have a SOFA not ratified by the Iraqi parliament like the 2008 SOFA was? Yeah, that wasn't going to happen.

Quibbling little girl......

We gave Iraq to Iran when we didn't have to.

Iraqi MP: ?Obama has Handed Iraq over to Iran and said ?Do What You Like.? | FrontPage Magazine

Quibble away.

bitch

Keeping moving those goalposts, you stooge. Iraq was given to Iran when Bushco bungled the occupation. You've posted nothing but CEC articles in this thread.
 
The fact of the matter is that the SOFA expired on 12/31/11. There was no way that the Iraqis would continue the SOFA as previously agreed upon going forward. The Iraqis wanted us there but couldn't do it politically.
 
Haven't we seen enough to admit that Obama is the worst president in terms of foreign policy ever?
Absolutely! I knew that, when he appointed Robert Gates as Sec of Defense.

Obama's foreign policy is still (and always has been) the neocon agenda.

I challenge anyone to explain the difference between his foreign policy and the PNAC letters written to Slick Willie in 1993.
 
Sometimes adjust is mistakenly labeled retreat.
We need to adjust our foreign policy away from goals into lines in the sand.

Oh good grief...

:lol:

Good grief what?
What is your alternative?
We need to set in stone what will happen to our enemies when they do not adhere to the treaties and policies of that region and regularly retreat from failing policies when new ones need to be implemented.
This is never an exact science.
Ever heard of the Monroe Doctrine?
We set "national greatness" policies and "national goals".
What a crock of shit. And then when they go to the shits folks want to stick with it instead of falling back and adjusting them.

Reagan had it right. He went over there and told them to tear down the damn wall.
And he then retreated on past policies, adjusted his policies to reflect the conditions of the world at that time and the damn wall came down.

The grief is sticking to failed policies and labeling fresh ideas and strategies as "retreating".
 
I don't think Gates is a neocon, and certainly Hagel, Kerry and Biden are not. However, except for China, our FP is grounded on the belief that most individuals are willing to sacrafice liberty property and even their lives for individual rights. Queen Noor and both King Abdullahs tried to explain to the boy warrior king that this is not so. Obama is learning the same lesson, although to his credit, he didn't view the US Army as an oil exploration team.
 
The fact of the matter is that the SOFA expired on 12/31/11. There was no way that the Iraqis would continue the SOFA as previously agreed upon going forward. The Iraqis wanted us there but couldn't do it politically.

You've had your ass handed to you on this issue. Deal with it and move on.
 
America's Foreign Policy is failure. you make it sound like Obama is doing something different than Bush did. He's not. It's just your belief bias.

Actually he is acting very differently and his messages are not only not understood by Americans, but also by foreign leaders. We now find ourselves with this man that won a Nobel Prize based upon one speech, given ironically in Egypt. Now he's been shown to be weaker than Kennedy was with the Bay of Pigs fiasco, which of course led to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Now that the Saudis have approached Russia, there will be even more confusion for the folks that don't know what they are doing.

"Leading From Behind" as described by an Obama supporter, shockingly a journalist. This article though is on the doctrine or approach, whichever you prefer:

The Obama doctrine: Leading from behind - Washington Post

The Obama doctrine: Leading from behind
By Charles Krauthammer,April 28, 2011

Obama may be moving toward something resembling a doctrine. One of his advisers described the president’s actions in Libya as “leading from behind.”

— Ryan Lizza, the New Yorker, May 2 issue

To be precise, leading from behind is a style, not a doctrine. Doctrines involve ideas, but since there are no discernible ones that make sense of Obama foreign policy — Lizza’s painstaking two-year chronicle shows it to be as ad hoc, erratic and confused as it appears — this will have to do.

And it surely is an accurate description, from President Obama’s shocking passivity during Iran’s 2009 Green Revolution to his dithering on Libya, acting at the very last moment, then handing off to a bickering coalition, yielding the current bloody stalemate. It’s been a foreign policy of hesitation, delay and indecision, marked by plaintive appeals to the (fictional) “international community” to do what only America can.

But underlying that style, assures this Obama adviser, there really are ideas. Indeed, “two unspoken beliefs,” explains Lizza. “That the relative power of the U.S. is declining, as rivals like China rise, and that the U.S. is reviled in many parts of the world.”

Amazing. This is why Obama is deliberately diminishing American presence, standing and leadership in the world?

Take proposition one: We must “lead from behind” because U.S. relative power is declining. Even if you accept the premise, it’s a complete non sequitur. What does China’s rising GDP have to do with American buck-passing on Libya, misjudging Iran, appeasing Syria?

True, China is rising. But first, it is the only power of any significance rising militarily relative to us. Russia is recovering from levels of military strength so low that it barely registers globally. And European power is in true decline (see Europe’s performance — excepting the British — in Afghanistan and its current misadventures in Libya).

And second, the challenge of a rising Chinese military is still exclusively regional. It would affect a war over Taiwan. It has zero effect on anything significantly beyond China’s coast. China has no blue-water navy. It has no foreign bases. It cannot project power globally. It might in the future — but by what logic should that paralyze us today?

Proposition two: We must lead from behind because we are reviled. Pray tell, when were we not? During Vietnam? Or earlier, under Eisenhower? When his vice president was sent on a goodwill trip to Latin America, he was spat upon and so threatened by the crowds that he had to cut short his trip. Or maybe later, under the blessed Reagan? The Reagan years were marked by vast demonstrations in the capitals of our closest allies denouncing America as a warmongering menace taking the world into nuclear winter.
 
I don't think his policy is a failure. To me, the primary policy of the U.S. in the Middle East is to keep terrorists attacks as far from US borders as possible. Post 9/11, both Bush and Obama have been pretty successful I'd say. Sure a lot of eggs have been broken in the process. But this is foreign politics and the Middle East -- what do you expect?

Obama nailed Bin Laden, been assassinating Al Queda leaders left right and center all over the middle east with drone attacks. Iraq and Afghanistan have remained stable. Al Queda appears to be fractured and in disarray.

Now, granted he doesn't look or act like a tough guy. Kind of a wafflely wuss. But follow his actions-- he's kicked some teeth in. By all accounts, as good on the score card as GW. What more could Republicans want?
 
I don't think Gates is a neocon, and certainly Hagel, Kerry and Biden are not. However, except for China, our FP is grounded on the belief that most individuals are willing to sacrafice liberty property and even their lives for individual rights. Queen Noor and both King Abdullahs tried to explain to the boy warrior king that this is not so. Obama is learning the same lesson, although to his credit, he didn't view the US Army as an oil exploration team.
Let me put it this way...
PNAC letter to __________ (fill in the blank)


The Honorable ____________
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward ____ is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of __________ regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish ________ when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that __________ is not producing ____________, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor ______'s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many ____'s facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of ____’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether ____ does or does not possess such weapons.

Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if ____ does acquire the capability to deliver __________, as ______ is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.

Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of ____, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that ____ will be able to use or threaten to use ___________. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing ____________ and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing _____'s regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of ________ against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,
Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick​
Sound familiar?
 
Let's look at the Obama foreign policy.

Committed to getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan and is doing it.

On Libya, an American killing terrorist in Gaddafi is dead and Obama got everyone else to pay for it, not just us going it alone once more.

Successfully killed the Somali pirates without any Americans dying.

Killed Bin Laden.

Reauthorized Ronald Reagan's ABM Treaty with Russia after Dubya and the Republicans let it expire, cause who really cares about nukes getting into the wrong hands, right?

Has droned terrorists dead about ten times as much as Dubya.

On immigration, deportations of illegals has gone up under Obama and illegally coming into the country has gone down.

Signed an important trade deal involving South Korea.

Sent Bill Clinton to North Korea to get the Americans out.

Has reduced foreign imports of oil while increasing domestic production, leading to a 22% reduction of our foreign trade deficit.

If all that's failure, I'd like to know wtf success looks like to the morons constantly crying about a President with the best foreign policy record in over a generation.
 

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