Canada's gun laws...they don't keep criminals from getting guns either....

[2aguy]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

 

[Pogo]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

 

[Pogo]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

From the wayback machine ---- a past post:

I give you two cities, split by a river, kinda like Minneapolis and St. Paul are but this is a different pair of cities.

Obviously being next to each other, these cities have much in common regionally, climatically, industrially and so on. They are less than a mile apart, connected by a bridge and a tunnel. But the two cities show a stark difference in one area.

The city to the west recorded 377 total homicides in 2011 and 327 in 2010, according to police statistics(1), carrying a homicide rate of around 50 per 100,000 people.

Across the bridge in the same time period, there was a total of one. For both years put together. A rate of 0.30. From September 27, 2009 to November 22, 2011 in that city, there were no murders at all. Zero.

What's going on here?

One of them is in Canada. The cities are Detroit and Windsor.

I haven't determined how many of those homicides were committed by firearm, but for a guide, out of 386 Detroit homicides in 2012, 333 were by firearm. Over 86%. (1)

And the one murder that finally broke the 2011 streak in Windsor? It was a stabbing.

People in his city of about 215,000 have a saying, Blaine said Friday afternoon: "In Windsor, when a 7-Eleven is held up, it usually is a knife. In Detroit, it is an Uzi."

It's not that there's no crime in Windsor, an industrial city that has seen its own economic challenges. "We're no different than any other major metropolitan area," Corey said. (here)

704 to 1 in homicide; several hundred to zero in gun deaths.
Detroit: at or near the highest murder rate in its country; Windsor: lowest in its country.
Less than a mile apart.

What's driving the difference? Gun control? Or gun culture?

Resources/further reading:
(1) 2012 Crime/Homicide Stats

(2) Freep.com 1/3/13

A Tale of Two Cities

Murder-Free Two Years

The fault lies not in our guns but in ourselves. To our values we are underlings.

 

[Conservative65]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

 

[Pogo]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

 

[Conservative65]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

 

[2aguy]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

From the wayback machine ---- a past post:

I give you two cities, split by a river, kinda like Minneapolis and St. Paul are but this is a different pair of cities.

Obviously being next to each other, these cities have much in common regionally, climatically, industrially and so on. They are less than a mile apart, connected by a bridge and a tunnel. But the two cities show a stark difference in one area.

The city to the west recorded 377 total homicides in 2011 and 327 in 2010, according to police statistics(1), carrying a homicide rate of around 50 per 100,000 people.

Across the bridge in the same time period, there was a total of one. For both years put together. A rate of 0.30. From September 27, 2009 to November 22, 2011 in that city, there were no murders at all. Zero.

What's going on here?

One of them is in Canada. The cities are Detroit and Windsor.

I haven't determined how many of those homicides were committed by firearm, but for a guide, out of 386 Detroit homicides in 2012, 333 were by firearm. Over 86%. (1)

And the one murder that finally broke the 2011 streak in Windsor? It was a stabbing.

People in his city of about 215,000 have a saying, Blaine said Friday afternoon: "In Windsor, when a 7-Eleven is held up, it usually is a knife. In Detroit, it is an Uzi."

It's not that there's no crime in Windsor, an industrial city that has seen its own economic challenges. "We're no different than any other major metropolitan area," Corey said. (here)

704 to 1 in homicide; several hundred to zero in gun deaths.
Detroit: at or near the highest murder rate in its country; Windsor: lowest in its country.
Less than a mile apart.

What's driving the difference? Gun control? Or gun culture?

Resources/further reading:
(1) 2012 Crime/Homicide Stats

(2) Freep.com 1/3/13

A Tale of Two Cities

Murder-Free Two Years

The fault lies not in our guns but in ourselves. To our values we are underlings.

What is driving it...is the criminal culture in Detroit. Both sides can obviously get guns easily, but it is the criminals in Detroit who resort to shooting .....why? More than likely broken homes, single teenage mothers who have raised generations of males without fathers to teach them how to be men.....

There were 200 million guns in the United States in the 1990s, and 4.7 million people carried guns for self defense in 1997....in 2016 there were 357-400 million gun in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense......and our gun murder rate went down by 47% and our violent crime rate went down 77%.........so law abiding people, owning and carrying guns did not create more gun crime or gun murder......

In fact, last year, the Chief of Police in Detroit told his citizens that they needed to start defending themselves with guns...since the lack of police was driving up the crime rate......and as more Detroit citizens bought and carried guns...their crime rate went down too......

So....it isn't gun culture...that is too broad a category....it is the particular culture among the criminal class in the United States.....that is the problem....and the fact that for many reasons....prosecutors and judges in this country do not lock up repeat gun offenders....

That is the problem...

 

[Pogo]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

No nothing like that. It's absurd. And it's a non sequitur.

 

[Conservative65]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

No nothing like that. It's absurd. And it's a non sequitur.

What's absurd is the excuses gun haters like you make to try and get rid of guns.

Since a gun can't fire itself, that ONLY leave a PERSON misusing it in situations. You focus on the GUN culture when it boils down to being a PEOPLE culture.

 

[Toro]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

FYI, the murder rate in Canada is lower than it is in America.

And if you wish to play the "It's because of the blacks" card, the murder rate in Canada is lower than the murder rate for white Americans.

Canadians mostly think it's because of America's gun ownership, and they don't want to be like Americans.

 

[Geaux4it]

We need more guns, not less

Maybe President Trump the Magnificent will sign an EO requiring all citizens to possess at least one firearm

-Geaux

 

[2aguy]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

FYI, the murder rate in Canada is lower than it is in America.

And if you wish to play the "It's because of the blacks" card, the murder rate in Canada is lower than the murder rate for white Americans.

Canadians mostly think it's because of America's gun ownership, and they don't want to be like Americans.

And they would be wrong...it isn't about guns...it is about criminal culture asswipe. Switzerland...high rate of gun ownership...and from your own chart moron, they have a lower murder rate.....Iceland...high gun ownership rate...low homicide rate......

You morons will not recognize it is culture, not gun ownership that is the issue.....

Our gun ownership rate went up, and our gun murder rate went down 47%, showing your theory is stupid.....our gun ownership rate went up....and our violent crime rate went down 77%...again, showing your theory is wrong.....

Criminals in Britain, France, Canada, and Australia get guns easily....they do not use them to commit murder as often....our criminals...get caught with illegal guns over and over, and our criminal justice system keeps letting them out...that is our problem....

 

[Pogo]

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

No nothing like that. It's absurd. And it's a non sequitur.

What's absurd is the excuses gun haters like you make to try and get rid of guns.

Quote me as such, or bite me as such. Get busy.
And bring your lunch, you're gonna be on a futile hunt for a long time.

Since a gun can't fire itself, that ONLY leave a PERSON misusing it in situations. You focus on the GUN culture when it boils down to being a PEOPLE culture.

Culture *IS* people, Cheezwhiz. Guns don't have a "culture". You need a brain to have a culture.
Which means it's entirely possible you don't have a culture either, other than whatever's growing in your crotch.

 

[Conservative65]

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

No nothing like that. It's absurd. And it's a non sequitur.

What's absurd is the excuses gun haters like you make to try and get rid of guns.

Quote me as such, or bite me as such. Get busy.
And bring your lunch, you're gonna be on a futile hunt for a long time.

Since a gun can't fire itself, that ONLY leave a PERSON misusing it in situations. You focus on the GUN culture when it boils down to being a PEOPLE culture.

Culture *IS* people, Cheezwhiz. Guns don't have a "culture". You need a brain to have a culture.
Which means it's entirely possible you don't have a culture either, other than whatever's growing in your crotch.

Yet you say "It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do". You asked for a quote and I did. I didn't need a lunch. It didn't take but 30 seconds to prove you wrong.

Seems you don't have a culture having except the one growing in your nose from having kissed a n*gger's ass for 8 years.

 

[mgh80]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

Having lived in Canada before I disagree. The problem is the culture as a whole-not just "gun culture".

I would feel 100% safe walking around Toronto in 2 am...but Chicago, Detroit, LA, Miami, Philly, etc? Maybe not.

Think about this: in our culture it is considered more appropriate for a teenager to see people being murdered, blown up, set on fire, eaten alive, etc on television than it is to see a female nipple or even "sex"-not even pornography but actors pretending to have sex for a scene.

One act is a act that we hope none of our children engage in (severe violence/murder), another act is an act we hope they will engage one day (sexual intercourse). It's ass-backwards and that's just the icing on the cake.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

What is the "per capita" gun ratio for each city?

 

[Conservative65]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

What is the "per capita" gun ratio for each city?

Irrelevant. Are you saying a gun can fire itself. The only way for what you asked to be relevant is if a gun can do that.

 

[danielpalos]

Of course they don't. Laws about anything don't keep criminals from crime, by definition.

That's not why Canada has a way-lower gun violence problem than we do. It's because Canada doesn't have the gun culture we do.

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

No nothing like that. It's absurd. And it's a non sequitur.

What's absurd is the excuses gun haters like you make to try and get rid of guns.

Since a gun can't fire itself, that ONLY leave a PERSON misusing it in situations. You focus on the GUN culture when it boils down to being a PEOPLE culture.

I believe in better aqueducts and better roads and more well regulated militia; we have a Second Amendment.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes.....Canada can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals....just like Britain can't, France can't, Australia can't.......but what they do very well.....keep law abiding people from getting guns....

Despite tough Canadian rules, illegal guns within reach

"The link to organized crime is quite profound, so where you see organized crime in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ... they seem to have access to these types of weapons.

FYI, the murder rate in Canada is lower than it is in America.

And if you wish to play the "It's because of the blacks" card, the murder rate in Canada is lower than the murder rate for white Americans.

Canadians mostly think it's because of America's gun ownership, and they don't want to be like Americans.

And they would be wrong...it isn't about guns...it is about criminal culture asswipe. Switzerland...high rate of gun ownership...and from your own chart moron, they have a lower murder rate.....Iceland...high gun ownership rate...low homicide rate......

You morons will not recognize it is culture, not gun ownership that is the issue.....

Our gun ownership rate went up, and our gun murder rate went down 47%, showing your theory is stupid.....our gun ownership rate went up....and our violent crime rate went down 77%...again, showing your theory is wrong.....

Criminals in Britain, France, Canada, and Australia get guns easily....they do not use them to commit murder as often....our criminals...get caught with illegal guns over and over, and our criminal justice system keeps letting them out...that is our problem....

i think you need to cite sources.

 

[Conservative65]

So the guns in the U.S. can fire themselves but the guns in Canada can't?

Uh yyyyyyeah sure whatever you say Hoser.

It's because they're metric.

You blame the gun culture and the amount of guns. The only way that could do what you said is if the guns to fire themselves. Are you saying that?

No nothing like that. It's absurd. And it's a non sequitur.

What's absurd is the excuses gun haters like you make to try and get rid of guns.

Since a gun can't fire itself, that ONLY leave a PERSON misusing it in situations. You focus on the GUN culture when it boils down to being a PEOPLE culture.

I believe in better aqueducts and better roads and more well regulated militia; we have a Second Amendment.

I believe you're a fucking cowardly idiot. Your words support that belief.