CDC: Only 50,000 Died from Covid Only, Not 836,000

[pknopp]

Maybe. We dont have any idea do we? About 40k people die every month of obesity and it's associated health problems typically. That has seen a drastic drop since COVID came on the scene. I dont think people have suddenly got less fat and unhealthy because they were locked up in their house for a year... That's not to say that COVID didnt kill people or wasn't the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back as they say but really if you're over 75 and have 4+ things besides being over 75 that are health issues how do you really determine what killed you? That's the vast majority of the deaths in the US. Old people with a bunch of health problems.

Would there still be people alive today if they had not contacted Covid?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Partially argued with lies.

6% of the deaths were healthy people.
That why you force 5 year old to get injected with substances with no track record?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Would there still be people alive today if they had not contacted Covid?

Guess the t shirt over their face was useless.

 

[pknopp]

Many died after contracting it. It cannot be said that they died because of it. Logic dictates that a deeper dive into the causation of ALL OF THOSE deaths be done.

But the government is using those unreliable numbers to foment more and more fear and destruction of liberty.

They may not be accurate. They likely aren't entirely accurate but if you have underlying conditions and contact covid and died, it's perfectly reasonable to say that person died from getting covid.

 

[Darkwind]

Would there still be people alive today if they had not contacted Covid?

Would they still be just as dead?

 

[Couchpotato]

pknopp

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista

Between the beginning of January 2020 and June 14, 2023, of the 1,134,641 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 307,169 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.

www.statista.com

That's the stats by age.

People over 75 make up more than half the deaths. Over 65 and it's 3/4 maybe a bit more. The life expectancy in the US is only 76.

 

[pknopp]

6% of the deaths were healthy people.
That why you force 5 year old to get injected with substances with no track record?

I HAVE NOT argued forcing anything. If you don't want to discuss what you posted, fine, go argue it.

 

[Darkwind]

They may not be accurate. They likely aren't entirely accurate but if you have underlying conditions and contact covid and died, it's perfectly reasonable to say that person died from getting covid.

I disagree. It may or may not have been at an unfortunate time, or their unlying ailment was terminal to begin with.

There is no way to tell, now. It does NOT justify the current mishandling of the response.

 

[pknopp]

Would they still be just as dead?

No.

 

[pknopp]

I disagree. It may or may not have been at an unfortunate time, or their unlying ailment was terminal to begin with.

There is no way to tell, now. It does NOT justify the current mishandling of the response.

I am not discussing the response. I've discussed that elsehwhere.

 

[colfax_m]

It is very much a problem when your government lies to you and destroys your livelihood, closes your business, and used threats of prosecution and rhetoric like, "traitor".

I realize that there are those who would believe anything their government will tell them, as long as that government is run by their party, but the truth of the matter is, they continue to destroy our economy on the basis of these half-truths an outright lies.

Just last week, the chief mismanager of the covid response was saying that kids are over-reported for covid.

How can anyone with any integrity not look at the reporting numbers of current cases and not know that they are, 'over-reported cases?

There has been so much right wing disinformation regarding COVID. People will accept the ramblings of know nothings in some weird internet video over the most respected infectious disease experts.

You’re definitely being lied to, but the problem is you guys have lost all ability to differentiate between the people who are full of shit and the people who actually know what they’re talking about.

 

[pknopp]

pknopp

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista

Between the beginning of January 2020 and June 14, 2023, of the 1,134,641 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 307,169 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.

www.statista.com

That's the stats by age.

People over 75 make up more than half the deaths. Over 65 and it's 3/4 maybe a bit more. The life expectancy in the US is only 76.

Which does nothing to dispute my point.

 

[edthecynic]

they have counted car wrecks as covid

LIAR!

 

[Couchpotato]

They may not be accurate. They likely aren't entirely accurate but if you have underlying conditions and contact covid and died, it's perfectly reasonable to say that person died from getting covid.

Is it though?

If Im 40-50lbs overweight, don't exercise, eat like shit, have diabetes, smoke, drink and am 78 years old. I die and they test me for a cold after I'm dead and I come up positive would you say I died of a cold or the other shit? And Im not equating COVID to a cold (though Omicron seems to be much like one) but you are very quick to assign causation to COVID but isn't that to a large degree because we've been told that COVID had killed 800k people?

 

[Darkwind]

I am not discussing the response. I've discussed that elsehwhere.

Any discussion of the number of dead is meaningless unless it is associated with the response to the virus by the government and what people use as underlying conditions for what they will do.

 

[pknopp]

Is it though?

If Im 40-50lbs overweight, don't exercise, eat like shit, have diabetes, smoke, drink and am 78 years old. I die and they test me for a cold after I'm dead and I come up positive would you say I died of a cold or the other shit? And Im not equating COVID to a cold (though Omicron seems to be much like one) but you are very quick to assign causation to COVID but isn't that to a large degree because we've been told that COVID had killed 800k people?

As you note, you can't compare covid with a cold so your example is not valid. I am NOT arguing that the threat has not been exaggerated. You can still argue that and argue the rest honestly also but in both cases it doesn't make as good of an argument I guess.

 

[BackAgain]

They were alive before they caught COVID, dead afterwards

Most would have lived a decade or more if not for COVID

Leftwhiner making up more “facts.”

 

[Darkwind]

There has been so much right wing disinformation regarding COVID. People will accept the ramblings of know nothings in some weird internet video over the most respected infectious disease experts.

You’re definitely being lied to, but the problem is you guys have lost all ability to differentiate between the people who are full of shit and the people who actually know what they’re talking about.

I'm only going to address this to you once and only once. Afterward, you will be ignored.

The handling and information regarding covid 19 started with Fauci in 2020 and continues with him to this very day.

He has been proven a liar, and been exposed for the lies he has told regarding covid and his management of it.

ANY misinformation regarding covid is fully in the lap of the CDC and the mainstream media.

 

[Couchpotato]

Which does nothing to dispute my point.

No but you have to put who's dying in context. If a disease is killing young and otherwise healthy people, it's a different issue than if it's killing old and unhealthy people, doesn't it? Not that young people's lives are more valuable but it's much easier to assign causation in the young and healthy than the old and unhealthy.

 

[colfax_m]

I'm only going to address this to you once and only once. Afterward, you will be ignored.

You’ve just proven my point. You cannot differentiate between actual knowledge and bullshit. You ignore what you don’t want to hear.