Chafee (D) is in. Or 3/4 in. Or what the f**k.

[Statistikhengst]

It is a weird, non-announcement announcement. Why in the world do people do this crap?



Former Gov. Lincoln Chafee (R, then I, now D - RI):

His Wiki:

Lincoln Chafee - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee announced his run for the presidency as a Democrat on 16 April, 2015, at circa 11:00 AM EDT, 571 days before the 2016 Presidential Election, which will be held on Tuesday, November 8th (the latest possible day to hold the election according to our laws) of that year.

Just one week after forming an exploratory committee, former Gov. Chafee made his announcement on CNN (video at the link).


Here an excerpt from the CNN link:

Former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee said Thursday on CNN that he's running for the Democratic nomination for president, just a week after announcing he formed an exploratory committee, his most definitive statement he's made toward formalizing a 2016 campaign.

"Yes, that's why I'm running. Because I feel strong about where we're going as a country," Chafee told CNN's "New Day" on Thursday, when asked why he's been so critical of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. Chafee was asked by CNN's John Berman in the context of having not formally declared his presidential campaign.

Chafee spokeswoman Debbie Rich said Chafee did not declare himself as a candidate for president Thursday, despite saying "that's why I'm running."

Yeah, well, why in the fuck do you say "Yes, that's why I'm running"? Of course he's in.



Because his political career is somewhat unusual, here is a timeline:

He was a Republican until 2007, including his tenure as the Mayor of Warwick, RI from 1992-1999 and then as Republican Senator from RI from 1999-2007. Chafee was considered the most Liberal Republican in Congress during the Bush 43 administration and the only one to vote AGAINST use of force in Iraq, putting his vote in the Senate to the LEFT of Hillary Clinton's vote, just to be historically very clear about this point. He was also the only Republican Senator to oppose Pres. Bush's nomination of Samuel Alito. He was primaried from the Right in RI in 2006, won the Primary, lost the GE to Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse.

And then he switch his party affiliation to "Independent" and ran as an Independent for the Governorship of RI in 2010 and won. He served as RI's 74th Governor from 2011-2015 and was the first Independent Governor from the smallest state in the Union since 1786-1790. Although he was an Independent, Chafee supported Obama's presidential bid in 2008 and was a co-chair of Obama's re-election campaign in 2012.

And the end of May, 2013, Chafee switched his party affiliation again, from Independent to Democratic.

Chafee is the third Republican high official from the East to switch parties from Republican to Independent or Democratic in the last 15 years:

Jim Jeffords (VT), 2001
Lincoln Chafee (RI), 2007
Arlen Spector (PA), 2009

But there is at least one instance of it going the other way:

Angus King (I-ME), started as a Democrat and then left that party.

I thought that information would be helpful in inderstanding this corner of then Union, where there are more Independent elected officials than in most other places.

Good luck to former Gov. Chafee and his campaign team.

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FYI. Feel free to discuss. What do you think his chances are?

 

[blackhawk]

His chances of winning the nomination are zero the main reason he and a few others will run is to try and lessen the perception of Hillary's nomination being a coronation and to hopefully get the VP slot or a cabinet position if she wins.

 

[TooTall]

It is a weird, non-announcement announcement. Why in the world do people do this crap?



Former Gov. Lincoln Chafee (R, then I, now D - RI):

His Wiki:

Lincoln Chafee - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee announced his run for the presidency as a Democrat on 16 April, 2015, at circa 11:00 AM EDT, 571 days before the 2016 Presidential Election, which will be held on Tuesday, November 8th (the latest possible day to hold the election according to our laws) of that year.

Just one week after forming an exploratory committee, former Gov. Chafee made his announcement on CNN (video at the link).


Here an excerpt from the CNN link:

Former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee said Thursday on CNN that he's running for the Democratic nomination for president, just a week after announcing he formed an exploratory committee, his most definitive statement he's made toward formalizing a 2016 campaign.

"Yes, that's why I'm running. Because I feel strong about where we're going as a country," Chafee told CNN's "New Day" on Thursday, when asked why he's been so critical of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. Chafee was asked by CNN's John Berman in the context of having not formally declared his presidential campaign.

Chafee spokeswoman Debbie Rich said Chafee did not declare himself as a candidate for president Thursday, despite saying "that's why I'm running."

Yeah, well, why in the fuck do you say "Yes, that's why I'm running"? Of course he's in.



Because his political career is somewhat unusual, here is a timeline:

He was a Republican until 2007, including his tenure as the Mayor of Warwick, RI from 1992-1999 and then as Republican Senator from RI from 1999-2007. Chafee was considered the most Liberal Republican in Congress during the Bush 43 administration and the only one to vote AGAINST use of force in Iraq, putting his vote in the Senate to the LEFT of Hillary Clinton's vote, just to be historically very clear about this point. He was also the only Republican Senator to oppose Pres. Bush's nomination of Samuel Alito. He was primaried from the Right in RI in 2006, won the Primary, lost the GE to Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse.

And then he switch his party affiliation to "Independent" and ran as an Independent for the Governorship of RI in 2010 and won. He served as RI's 74th Governor from 2011-2015 and was the first Independent Governor from the smallest state in the Union since 1786-1790. Although he was an Independent, Chafee supported Obama's presidential bid in 2008 and was a co-chair of Obama's re-election campaign in 2012.

And the end of May, 2013, Chafee switched his party affiliation again, from Independent to Democratic.

Chafee is the third Republican high official from the East to switch parties from Republican to Independent or Democratic in the last 15 years:

Jim Jeffords (VT), 2001
Lincoln Chafee (RI), 2007
Arlen Spector (PA), 2009

But there is at least one instance of it going the other way:

Angus King (I-ME), started as a Democrat and then left that party.

I thought that information would be helpful in inderstanding this corner of then Union, where there are more Independent elected officials than in most other places.

Good luck to former Gov. Chafee and his campaign team.

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FYI. Feel free to discuss. What do you think his chances are?

I give him two chances, slim and none.

 

[defcon4]

Chafee is the third Republican high official from the East to switch parties from Republican to Independent or Democratic in the last 15 years:

Seems like a guy standing firmly on principles, as the wind blows adjusting the sails to catch the most of it. I think I like him.

 

[defcon4]

His chances of winning the nomination are zero the main reason he and a few others will run is to try and lessen the perception of Hillary's nomination being a coronation and to hopefully get the VP slot or a cabinet position if she wins.

Good point!!! Diverting attention. Media focus on him, Hillary sneaks under radar.

 

[Mac1958]

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I wonder how many Dems will jump in, with the strategy being "well, I'm here in case Hillary's campaign implodes".

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[Statistikhengst]

Chafee is the third Republican high official from the East to switch parties from Republican to Independent or Democratic in the last 15 years:

Seems like a guy standing firmly on principles, as the wind blows adjusting the sails to catch the most of it. I think I like him.

LOL.

Actually, the claim that Chafee makes is that his positions over 30 years have been very consistent, and there may be something to that.

For he was arguably the most Liberal Republican in Congress at that time. He was about as far to the Left as a Republican can go and still be elected as a Republican, and it appears that this only can happen in the NE.

A good counterpoint to this would be Joe Manchin (D-WV), who is about as far Right as a Democrat can go and still somehow be elected as a Democrat, which is possible in D-majority or D-plurality registration states like WV, KY, LA, OK, states that tend to be ruby red on the national level, but the barriers between red and blue are somewhat mixed on the state and local level. Just ask about the Democratic family name of "Boren" in Oklahoma...

 

[Statistikhengst]

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I wonder how many Dems will jump in, with the strategy being "well, I'm here in case Hillary's campaign implodes".

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Jim Webb (VA) has been making noises about maybe joining in. Jim Webb is a military guy, pretty well liked in VA, but he is also a writer and wrote some amazingly weird gay storylines about man-boy love that I am sure is not going to sell with the general public. I personally find him to be weird.

There is some talk about Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) and indeed, at least in MT polling, Schweitzer could give Hillary a run for her money.

Martin O'Malley is probably the Democrat with enough heft to actually mount a meaningful campaign against Hillary and there are lot of factors in his favor. Name recognition is not one of them.

Bernie Sanders (D-Socialist, VT) could make a run, but I think he would be a Johnny-one-note show.

John Kerry is quite obviously not running. Were he considering a run, he would need to resign as SOS like right now, for it is illegal for SOS's to campaign, it's State Department policy. This is why we did not see Colin Powell, Condi Rice or Hillary Clinton ever on the campaign trail in 2004, 2008, or 2012, respectively.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Politico has now picked up on the story:


Lincoln Chafee says he s running for president - Ben Schreckinger - POLITICO

 

[BULLDOG]

I say give him a shot and see what he has to say. I don't know enough about him yet to know all his positions on the important things facing the country. So far, Hillary looks like the best candidate, but if somebody better is available, I want to know.

 

[blackhawk]

The reality is there is no serious challenger for Hillary many Democrats have said Hillary's nomination can't look like a coronation that's why she will get a few challengers but none will have the money or name recognition to challenge her in any serious way.

 

[defcon4]

The reality is there is no serious challenger for Hillary many Democrats have said Hillary's nomination can't look like a coronation that's why she will get a few challengers but none will have the money or name recognition to challenge her in any serious way.

They are part of the plan as you pointed out before. Diverting attention.

 

[BULLDOG]

The reality is there is no serious challenger for Hillary many Democrats have said Hillary's nomination can't look like a coronation that's why she will get a few challengers but none will have the money or name recognition to challenge her in any serious way.

They are part of the plan as you pointed out before. Diverting attention.

Already trying to find excuses for your upcoming loss?

 

[defcon4]

The reality is there is no serious challenger for Hillary many Democrats have said Hillary's nomination can't look like a coronation that's why she will get a few challengers but none will have the money or name recognition to challenge her in any serious way.

They are part of the plan as you pointed out before. Diverting attention.

Already trying to find excuses for your upcoming loss?

With all due respect, are you talking about?????
What I said was, the "so called challengers" to Hillary's nomination are part of the plan such as diverting attention from her to other loons or at least split the attention. Where is in that statement anything about the election itself between the two nominees of the parties respectively?

 

[Lakhota]

Chafee seems like a confused puppy. Oh well, at least Hillary will have someone to talk to.

 

[Edgetho]

This is where people who don't understand our system need to LISTEN UP.....

Chafee and many of the others entering the contest on the Republican side KNOW they have no chance of winning the Presidency.

But they hope they can win some delegates along the line somewhere.

And if they do, they may have a say in the platform adopted by the Republican Party and/or the Republican Candidate.

Rather than have a CLUSTERFUCK like Euroweenies have with twenty different parties going in fifty different directions, we try to iron our differences out in the Primary.

If candidate #3 has 'X-3' Delegates needed to win the nomination and Candidate #2 has those delegates, he has to make #2 happy or it isn't going to happen.

Or it might be they all need something from each other. Or nothing at all. Or.... It can get convoluted.

This is why I urge disaffected 'Republicans' to get involved in their Primary. You can have more say than you might think.

even liberturdians (who are dirtbags, IMO)

dimocraps, OTOH, work like the old soviet communist party did.... They don't give a flying fuck about their people. They do what they want to do, when they want to do it and that's the end of it.

They nominate who they want, they adopt the platform they want and if you don't like it, you can suck on it.

Which, quire frankly, is a more efficient system.

But I'll choose an open and Free Primary to the dimocrap's commie style primary.

All day, every day.

dimocraps are the scum of the earth.

Think Darius and his servant who was required to whisper to him three times during each meal, "Sire, remember the Athenians"

dimocraps needn't bother hurting your brain over that one

 

[defcon4]

Chafee and many of the others entering the contest on the Republican

My impression was that Chafee is Democrat at the present and vies for the democrat nomination???

 

[Edgetho]

Chafee and many of the others entering the contest on the Republican

My impression was that Chafee is Democrat at the present and vies for the democrat nomination???

One thing about getting older is you meet new people every day

Details, details.

Duh. My bad.

But the principle still applies.

Much less so in the dimocrap party.

Anyway, at least it proves I post from memory.....

 

[defcon4]

prosit.

 

[Mertex]

dimocraps, OTOH, work like the old soviet communist party did.... They don't give a flying fuck about their people. They do what they want to do, when they want to do it and that's the end of it.

That's an odd thing to say when everyone knows it is the Republicans who don't care if people have adequate healthcare....they want to revert to the old system where the insurance companies screwed everyone that couldn't keep up with their rising premiums, and who continue to come up with bills that provide more and more tax breaks for the wealthy but screw the middle-class and below. They come up with laws that make corporations "people" and also come up with bills that pretend to make them look religious but all they want is the ability to discriminate without looking like bigots....yes, you have a lot of nerve claiming that Democrats don't give a flying fuck about the people....you truly are brainwashed.