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America is going down the drain when an innocent teenager can't even stand on her own front porch without someone trying to kill her.
Yes... because the US is the only country that has crazy people.
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Last mass shooting in Australia was in 1996. And you think we have a problem?

The crazy people in Australia set fires and burn people to death. Frankly, I would rather be shot. My guess is most of those arson victims would have picked a quick death too.

In answer to your question, yes, you have a problem.
 
Statist is such a useful word. When you see someone using it in a non-ironic manner, you instantly know you're dealing with an extremist political cultist, a drone who is incapable of rational thought. It signals you to not waste any time trying reason with someone who is immune to reason, and instead to just smile, nod and back away slowly.

Or on the other hand, the term statist is in the dictionary for a reason and has an actual meaning that applies to those who embrace a certain kind of political ideology in the real world.

And it's a pity you don't use that definition. The definition of "statist" you use is more like "Anyone who points out how crazy my cult sounds". Such a special politically correct vocabulary, like yours, is indicative of a cult.

And with that, I take my own advice. Smile, nod, back away.

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"[P]olitically correct vocabulary"?! I'm a classical liberal, you dunce, not a cultural Marxist of the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory. That's your cult, apparently.

As for statism: are you suggesting that the big-government collectivism of neo-liberalism and the hostility toward the Lockean construct of an armed citizenry is the stuff of minarchism . . . while you pretend not to understand the context of my usage of the term? :lol:

You best get a clue about who you're talking to. Your dog and pony show is a one night affair.

The only thing on display here is your historical ignorance regarding the difference between classical liberalism proper and the historical offshoots of Hegelian statism: the stuff of benevolent despotism.

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Here, let me help you out:

In Theories of Surplus Value Marx conceded that the middleclass was actually growing under capitalism, not disappearing as he had previously held in The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital, and more honest Marxist theorists have since conceded that the working class is not a culturally homogeneous, but a culturally heterogeneous component of production comprised of competing interests, and one that has become increasingly economically mobile under capitalism from generation to generation. Strike (1) those fallacious critiques of capitalism, the guts of dialectic materialism, insofar as they pertain to the allegedly historical antagonism between the oppressed proletariat and the exploitative bourgeoisie, (2) the abject stupidity of "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" and (3) the conceptualization of surplus value as an injustice or a problem to be solved, if not by bargaining than by compulsory wealth redistribution: what more must the world endure at the hands of this debacle before we toss it into the ash heap of history and move on?

Marxists disregard the rise in wages over time under capitalism as industries reinvest surplus value and grow. They gloss over the destructive results of over-bargaining industries into stagnation and bankruptcy.

Take a close look at Detroit.

Marx moralistically imagined surplus value to be the unpaid surplus labor of the working class. But surplus value is in fact the stuff of reinvestment and growth, the startup costs of producing new products and services, future wage increases, more jobs of varying expertise and levels of compensation despite increased automation, improved living standards, strategic surpluses, which are essentially production costs, as they must be maintained and replaced. The latter are not distributable profit. And don't forget about the public infrastructure and the all those public services, for good or bad. Don't forget about all that governmentally funded research, the scientific, medical and technological advances thereof. Don't forget about the exploration of space and the oceans, and the scientific, medical and technological advances thereof. All these things in addition to the strictly business concerns of the private sector were paid for by capitalist systems . . . way beyond what any communist system could ever dream of. . . .

. . . That's the complex reality and the magic of capitalism, but in the stagnant, make believe world of Marxism, that zero-sum-game fantasy, surplus value is merely the accumulation and centralization of transferable capital and power. Hence, the supposed fatal flaw or irresolvable contradiction of capitalism, namely, the falling profits-unemployment crisis of over-accumulation.

Nonsense. Aside from the cyclical corrections against over-production, the only entities known to sane men to cause or exacerbate economic downturns is the overbearing governments of corrupt and tyrannical factions.

In recent history, this supposed Achilles' heel of capitalism is in fact the wrecking ball of economic collectivism: the punitive taxation, regulation or nationalization of the means of production. Businesses that don't continuously innovate and grow, stagnant, shrink and die. Businesses besieged by overbearing governments go elsewhere and take their jobs with them . . . or die.

Privately owned surplus value is the economic lifeblood of the developed world. It's not a horded and withheld commodity. It's not a limited commodity either. . . .

"Wait a minute! Stop right there, Mister! Material resources are finite," the unimaginative rube of the zero-sum-game mentality hysterically exclaims.

. . . Human ingenuity—the essence of technological innovation, ever-increasing efficiency—is not finite! Privately owned surplus value is readily attainable for all the world, but for the meddling of corrupt and oppressive regimes. It is this factor that alludes the Marxist . . . or does he simply turn a blind eye on the obvious resolution of the supposed contradiction of capitalism? Pretend not to see it?

I'm not kidding. In every rendition of the supposed problem of over-accumulated capital I've ever read, the Marxist author invariably claims that this critique has never been satisfactorily answered by free-market theorists. The factor of human ingenuity and its effects on production capital have been understood for at least two centuries. Marxism is sheer political ideology posing as an economic science propagated by rank sociopaths. If this supposed flaw of capitalism were real, capitalism would have universally collapsed long before now. In the meantime, the only economic paradigm that has collapsed every time it's been tried is communism precisely because it stifles the very factor its theorists obtusely disregard: human incentive and ingenuity.

A funny thing happened along the way that leads to the formulation of the Marxist's psychological make up: the supply of material resources is finite, but the Marxist's penchant for self-delusion is boundless.

Forty years ago: Global cooling! Today: Global Warming! And moreover, Over-population! Diminishing Resources! It's all a bunch of hooey, the stuff of tyrants and bootlicking Chicken Littles.

In any event, what is the Marxist to do when in fact the working class is a culturally heterogeneous component of production whose standard of living has dramatically improved under capitalism?

Well, its constituents must be programmed from early childhood to disregard the discriminations of common logic and eschew the conventions of common morality. But not only that, they must be protected from the economic depredations of false consciousness. :lol: Hence, they must be made to think of themselves as the victims of those who own the means of production and all that surplus value.

Toss that fishing pole in the lake and hand 'em a pitchfork.

In other words, make 'em dumb as dirt. Manageable drones. Turn 'em into sexual degenerates bereft of familial affections/allegiances: the Marcusean polymorphous perversity of the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory. Hence, the intellectual and moral mediocrity and uniformity of relativism with a chip on its shoulder. This is cultural Marxism in a nutshell, more commonly known today as political correctness or multiculturalism. As economic Marxism is the deconstruction of the actualities of the factors of production and the expropriation of the means of production, cultural Marxism is the deconstruction of Western culture, of the influences of Christianity especially, and the expropriation of ideas and expression.

(There is a special place in hell set aside for the likes of sociopaths like Herbert Marcuse, monsters who sexually molest and corrupt the minds of vulnerable innocence. What kind of person can look at the sweet, cherubic face of a little girl, for example, all pigtails and ribbons, and whisper filth in her ears? Such monsters will never understand anything about the rights of others except at the business end of a loaded gun pointed at their stupid heads. The very thought of this cretin makes my blood boil. Today's sex education programs in the government schools are predicated on Marcuse's model.)

Since the theory of Marxism is necessarily true by definition, i.e., that all of history is a struggle between the powerful and the oppressed progressively moving toward that overwhelming conclusion of a stateless Utopia, the uncooperative regressions of history must be due to the false signals or the misdirection of human culture obscuring the proletariat's view of its true interests. Marx was aware of the extant cultural hindrances, of course, but it was a group of German communists who in the 1920's established a think tank and, initially, based on the definitive observations of Marxist theorists Gyorgy Lukacs of Hungary ("Who will save us from Western civilization?") and Antonio Gramsci of Italy, contrived a systematic methodology for expropriating culture. Marcuse joined the group in 1932 with his Neo-Freudian theory of sexual liberation as a component of the proletariat's cultural revolution against the benighted tribal tradition of the biological family.

(By the way, the anthem of the 1960's free love movement "Make love, not war" is Marcuse, a hero to the likes of Bill Ayers, Kathy Boudin, Mark Rudd, Eleanor Raskin. . . .)

Comprehensively, this was revolution by another means, the subversion of thought and morality, and the suppression of opposing views. The enlightened would artificially expedite the actualization of the object of the historical dialectic. Oh, the irony! In the 1930's, the members of the Frankfort School of Critical Theory fled Nazi Germany for America and set up shop at Columbia University.

The origination and the history of cultural Marxism is well-documented. - M.D. Rawlings


And again: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/367429-fascism-is-as-fascism-does-18.html#post9524827

Now go shine your shoes somewhere else.
 
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Hate to point out the obvious, but he passed a background check, which means that background checks don't do what you want them to do.

Yet you support them.

Thus, you are the stupid one in this conversation.

QED

No, it tells me background checks are inadequate.

That is what I said, they don't fucking work. Yet you continue to support them.

And then call me stupid for pointing out they don't work.

No, they are inadequate.

Period.

Shit, every time we get one of htese mass shooters, we find out everyone in their lives knew they were nuts.

Except for the guy who sold or gave him the gun, apparently.
 
I read this story in the paper this morning. The guy needs life in prison. Sick and disgusting.

under Minnesota law

20 year tops

which means he would be out in five

That much gain time? Florida was 33% max, now 15%. Not enough to encourage good behavior....before you lash out, those who have never been NEAR a prison, people not convicted of crimes have to work in these facilities; my concern with low gain time is THEIR safety.
 
No, it tells me background checks are inadequate.

That is what I said, they don't fucking work. Yet you continue to support them.

And then call me stupid for pointing out they don't work.

No, they are inadequate.

Period.

Shit, every time we get one of htese mass shooters, we find out everyone in their lives knew they were nuts.

Except for the guy who sold or gave him the gun, apparently.

Yes, inadequate, as in lacking the quality or quantity required, as in doesn't work.
 
That is what I said, they don't fucking work. Yet you continue to support them.

And then call me stupid for pointing out they don't work.

No, they are inadequate.

Period.

Shit, every time we get one of htese mass shooters, we find out everyone in their lives knew they were nuts.

Except for the guy who sold or gave him the gun, apparently.

Yes, inadequate, as in lacking the quality or quantity required, as in doesn't work.

No, as in anyone with a lick of sense wouldn't have sold this person a gun.

And it's a simple solution. You sell someone a gun that he uses to murder someone, you are held civilly and criminally liable.

Betcha they make the background checks adequate then.
 
No, they are inadequate.

Period.

Shit, every time we get one of htese mass shooters, we find out everyone in their lives knew they were nuts.

Except for the guy who sold or gave him the gun, apparently.

Yes, inadequate, as in lacking the quality or quantity required, as in doesn't work.

No, as in anyone with a lick of sense wouldn't have sold this person a gun.

And it's a simple solution. You sell someone a gun that he uses to murder someone, you are held civilly and criminally liable.

Betcha they make the background checks adequate then.

which person
 
May he get life without parole.

God bless you and the girl always!!!

Holly

What are ya, liberal? :)

Execute the fucker. Something redeeming about him we want him out in the world in a few years? Because of mandatory minimums for drug offenses and prison overcrowding, violent offenders frequently get out serving less than half their sentences. Why risk public safety? He's obviously sociopathic and violent. Just end the problem.
 
No, they are inadequate.

Period.

Shit, every time we get one of htese mass shooters, we find out everyone in their lives knew they were nuts.

Except for the guy who sold or gave him the gun, apparently.

Yes, inadequate, as in lacking the quality or quantity required, as in doesn't work.

No, as in anyone with a lick of sense wouldn't have sold this person a gun.

And it's a simple solution. You sell someone a gun that he uses to murder someone, you are held civilly and criminally liable.

Betcha they make the background checks adequate then.

Because, everyone can see into the future, right?

You seem to think that people can see into the future because you can look back into the past. That is so stupid that I am unable to express how stupid it is.

Can we change the law so that everyone who sells a used car that later is driven by a drunk driver is held civilly and criminally liable? If not, why the different standards?

You want background checks that are able to look into the future and prevent crime. That is flat out impossible, thus you will never be satisfied with background checks. Background checks do not work, yet you support them. That makes you an idiot.
 
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Yes, inadequate, as in lacking the quality or quantity required, as in doesn't work.

No, as in anyone with a lick of sense wouldn't have sold this person a gun.

And it's a simple solution. You sell someone a gun that he uses to murder someone, you are held civilly and criminally liable.

Betcha they make the background checks adequate then.

which person

well, let's start with the gun shop owner.

"Hey, when he came in wearing a Joker Costume doing a bad impersonation of Heath Ledger, didn't you think something was up?"

"No, you're honor."

"That will be everything you have!"

I'd go a step further. The gun industry has fought tooth and nail against background checks, aggressively marketed to the most extreme fringe of gun owners, even lobbied for laws to tell pediatricians not to warn parents of the dangers of gun ownership with small children.

I'd be holding them liable, too.
 
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Because, everyone can see into the future, right?

You seem to think that people can see into the future because you can look back into the past. That is so stupid that I am unable to express how stupid it is.

Can we change the law so that everyone who sells a used car that later is driven by a drunk driver is held civilly and criminally liable? If not, why the different standards?

You want background checks that are able to look into the future and prevent crime. That is flat out impossible, thus you will never be satisfied with background checks. Background checks do not work, yet you support them. That makes you an idiot.

cars aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

So, yes, a higher level of scrutiny is required.

Canada and Germany already get this.

But they don't have the National Rampage Association working for the rights of crazy people to get guns.
 
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Because, everyone can see into the future, right?

You seem to think that people can see into the future because you can look back into the past. That is so stupid that I am unable to express how stupid it is.

Can we change the law so that everyone who sells a used car that later is driven by a drunk driver is held civilly and criminally liable? If not, why the different standards?

You want background checks that are able to look into the future and prevent crime. That is flat out impossible, thus you will never be satisfied with background checks. Background checks do not work, yet you support them. That makes you an idiot.

cars aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

So, yes, a higher level of scrutiny is required.

Canada and Germany already get this.

But they don't have the National Rampage Association working for the rights of crazy people to get guns.

Yet cars kill people everyday, and guns are designed to fire a projectile, not kill people. If they were actually designed to kill people there would be no gun ranges anywhere because they would be killing people.

I noticed that you ignored me proving how stupid your support of background checks is, why is that? Can't deal with the fact that you are wrong?
 
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Because, everyone can see into the future, right?

You seem to think that people can see into the future because you can look back into the past. That is so stupid that I am unable to express how stupid it is.

Can we change the law so that everyone who sells a used car that later is driven by a drunk driver is held civilly and criminally liable? If not, why the different standards?

You want background checks that are able to look into the future and prevent crime. That is flat out impossible, thus you will never be satisfied with background checks. Background checks do not work, yet you support them. That makes you an idiot.

cars aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

So, yes, a higher level of scrutiny is required.

Canada and Germany already get this.

But they don't have the National Rampage Association working for the rights of crazy people to get guns.

Yet cars kill people everyday, and guns are designed to fire a projectile, not kill people. If they were actually designed to kill people there would be no gun ranges anywhere because they would be killing people.

I noticed that you ignored me proving how stupid your support of background checks is, why is that? Can't deal with the fact that you are wrong?

Here's the difference.

Cars, Air Planes, Motorcycles, Knives, Hammers and Axes..weren't designed with the specific function to kill human beings.

Assault Rifles and Handguns are designed to kill Human Beings..and specifically to do so.

When you purchase one of these items, the possibility you will do that increases enormously.

And that's why VERY STRIGENT background checks should be done on people that want to own firearms.

It should not because they want to play joker in a movie theater or have a grudge against a school teacher..
 
Here's the difference.

Cars, Air Planes, Motorcycles, Knives, Hammers and Axes..weren't designed with the specific function to kill human beings.

Assault Rifles and Handguns are designed to kill Human Beings..and specifically to do so.
Of course they are - that's why our right to own and use them is specifically protected by the constitution.
The 2nd amendment is all about people retaining an effective means to project deadly force, whenever it is necessary to do so.

When you purchase one of these items, the possibility you will do that increases enormously.
This is, of course, a lie.

And that's why VERY STRIGENT background checks should be done on people that want to own firearms.
I see you are a fan of prior restraint.
Tell us why.
 
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cars aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

So, yes, a higher level of scrutiny is required.

Canada and Germany already get this.

But they don't have the National Rampage Association working for the rights of crazy people to get guns.

Yet cars kill people everyday, and guns are designed to fire a projectile, not kill people. If they were actually designed to kill people there would be no gun ranges anywhere because they would be killing people.

I noticed that you ignored me proving how stupid your support of background checks is, why is that? Can't deal with the fact that you are wrong?

Here's the difference.

Cars, Air Planes, Motorcycles, Knives, Hammers and Axes..weren't designed with the specific function to kill human beings.

Assault Rifles and Handguns are designed to kill Human Beings..and specifically to do so.

When you purchase one of these items, the possibility you will do that increases enormously.

And that's why VERY STRIGENT background checks should be done on people that want to own firearms.

It should not because they want to play joker in a movie theater or have a grudge against a school teacher..

Guns are not designed to kill people, which is why people can own guns without dying. Guns are designed to fire a projectile.

But, please, keep insisting that guns are designed to kill, it amuses me.
 
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cars aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

So, yes, a higher level of scrutiny is required.

Canada and Germany already get this.

But they don't have the National Rampage Association working for the rights of crazy people to get guns.

Yet cars kill people everyday, and guns are designed to fire a projectile, not kill people. If they were actually designed to kill people there would be no gun ranges anywhere because they would be killing people.

I noticed that you ignored me proving how stupid your support of background checks is, why is that? Can't deal with the fact that you are wrong?

Here's the difference.

Cars, Air Planes, Motorcycles, Knives, Hammers and Axes..weren't designed with the specific function to kill human beings.

Assault Rifles and Handguns are designed to kill Human Beings..and specifically to do so.

When you purchase one of these items, the possibility you will do that increases enormously.

And that's why VERY STRIGENT background checks should be done on people that want to own firearms.

It should not because they want to play joker in a movie theater or have a grudge against a school teacher..

Cars, namely four wheeled vehicles named GP's (General Purpose) or "Jeeps" were made specifically for war and were mounted with belt fed machine guns in some cases.

Airplanes, namely our fleet of F32's possess first strike capabilities... they were designed to blow people out of the sky in aerial combat before they knew what hit them.

Knives, such as bayonets, were a last ditch weapon when a soldier ran out of ammo or his weapon became inoperable. Knives are issued to soldiers on the battlefield today

Hammers were used in medieval times to crush heads. Ironically, the Norse God, Thor, wields a hammer as his choice weapon.

Axes were also use in medieval times as well, battle axes, halberds, polearms. They weren't all made for chopping wood, Sallow.

Yes, 'assault rifles' (or in your case just about any gun out there) were made for the specific purpose of killing other human beings in war or self defense, just like everything in your list, save for motorcycles.

And if I buy an 'assault' rifle, my desire to kill someone would be no greater than before I laid eyes on it.

If I have an assault rife, it is for self defense, not to play joker in a crowded theater or get revenge on a bunch of school children.
 
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