Chokehold death. New Vid.

[Gracie]

AOL.com Article - More studies needed in apparent NYC police chokehold death

WTF???? They stood there and did nothing for this guy. NOTHING. And when the paramedics got there...they did nothing. No mouth to mouth...no chest pumping to try to keep him alive. NOTHING. Just patting..patting. Then the stupid woman starts telling him to get up. Um. His eyes are open, he is not breathing, he is DEAD. And she is a paramedic?

Some heads need to roll.

watch the new vid.

 

[Tank]

Why did he fight with the police?

 

[Slag]

With all respect to the OP, would you have given mouth to mouth?

 

[CaféAuLait]

AOL.com Article - More studies needed in apparent NYC police chokehold death

WTF???? They stood there and did nothing for this guy. NOTHING. And when the paramedics got there...they did nothing. No mouth to mouth...no chest pumping to try to keep him alive. NOTHING. Just patting..patting. Then the stupid woman starts telling him to get up. Um. His eyes are open, he is not breathing, he is DEAD. And she is a paramedic?

Some heads need to roll.

watch the new vid.

The cops state several times he was breathing in the video. The EMS tech states he has a pulse and is breathing and then started to try to get the guy to respond. I doubt the EMS chick is going to sit there and speak to someone she believes is a corpse. You can see the guys chest moving up and down as well.

I don't think they were ignoring him. And given the autopsy showed no damage to his throat, etc the guy may have had a heart attack, given his size.

 

[CaféAuLait]

With all respect to the OP, would you have given mouth to mouth?

I would have. I would have helped anyone who needed it.

The guy had a pulse and was breathing. No, need for CPR, his heart may have been in A-Fib though, which is not detectable that easily through pulse. Or he was in the midst of having a heart attack. I don't think his asthma killed him TBH.

 

[Gracie]

with all respect to the op, would you have given mouth to mouth?

hell yeah!!

 

[Gracie]

AOL.com Article - More studies needed in apparent NYC police chokehold death

WTF???? They stood there and did nothing for this guy. NOTHING. And when the paramedics got there...they did nothing. No mouth to mouth...no chest pumping to try to keep him alive. NOTHING. Just patting..patting. Then the stupid woman starts telling him to get up. Um. His eyes are open, he is not breathing, he is DEAD. And she is a paramedic?

Some heads need to roll.

watch the new vid.

The cops state several times he was breathing in the video. The EMS tech states he has a pulse and is breathing and then started to try to get the guy to respond. I doubt the EMS chick is going to sit there and speak to someone she believes is a corpse. You can see the guys chest moving up and down as well.

I don't think they were ignoring him. And given the autopsy showed no damage to his throat, etc the guy may have had a heart attack, given his size.

Then they should have been doing SOMETHING besides standing or squatting there patting him on the shoulder, dontcha think?
Now..pretend that guy is your dad. Do think they should have been doing MORE than what they were doing? Of course.

 

[CaféAuLait]

AOL.com Article - More studies needed in apparent NYC police chokehold death

WTF???? They stood there and did nothing for this guy. NOTHING. And when the paramedics got there...they did nothing. No mouth to mouth...no chest pumping to try to keep him alive. NOTHING. Just patting..patting. Then the stupid woman starts telling him to get up. Um. His eyes are open, he is not breathing, he is DEAD. And she is a paramedic?

Some heads need to roll.

watch the new vid.

The cops state several times he was breathing in the video. The EMS tech states he has a pulse and is breathing and then started to try to get the guy to respond. I doubt the EMS chick is going to sit there and speak to someone she believes is a corpse. You can see the guys chest moving up and down as well.

I don't think they were ignoring him. And given the autopsy showed no damage to his throat, etc the guy may have had a heart attack, given his size.

Then they should have been doing SOMETHING besides standing or squatting there patting him on the shoulder, dontcha think?
Now..pretend that guy is your dad. Do think they should have been doing MORE than what they were doing? Of course.

He was breathing and his heart was beating. What should they have done? His eyes were open as well at several points in your video. I don't know what else they could have done, except call EMS who responded and take him to the doc.

 

[thereisnospoon]

AOL.com Article - More studies needed in apparent NYC police chokehold death

WTF???? They stood there and did nothing for this guy. NOTHING. And when the paramedics got there...they did nothing. No mouth to mouth...no chest pumping to try to keep him alive. NOTHING. Just patting..patting. Then the stupid woman starts telling him to get up. Um. His eyes are open, he is not breathing, he is DEAD. And she is a paramedic?

Some heads need to roll.

watch the new vid.

The autopsy results indicated the man's airway was not injured at all.

 

[thereisnospoon]

AOL.com Article - More studies needed in apparent NYC police chokehold death

WTF???? They stood there and did nothing for this guy. NOTHING. And when the paramedics got there...they did nothing. No mouth to mouth...no chest pumping to try to keep him alive. NOTHING. Just patting..patting. Then the stupid woman starts telling him to get up. Um. His eyes are open, he is not breathing, he is DEAD. And she is a paramedic?

Some heads need to roll.

watch the new vid.

The cops state several times he was breathing in the video. The EMS tech states he has a pulse and is breathing and then started to try to get the guy to respond. I doubt the EMS chick is going to sit there and speak to someone she believes is a corpse. You can see the guys chest moving up and down as well.

I don't think they were ignoring him. And given the autopsy showed no damage to his throat, etc the guy may have had a heart attack, given his size.

Then they should have been doing SOMETHING besides standing or squatting there patting him on the shoulder, dontcha think?
Now..pretend that guy is your dad. Do think they should have been doing MORE than what they were doing? Of course.

You were not there. You are not a professional. You are not a paramedic.
But you have decided to pass judgement.

 

[Moonglow]

with all respect to the op, would you have given mouth to mouth?

hell yeah!!

No tongue allowed...

 

[CaféAuLait]

AOL.com Article - More studies needed in apparent NYC police chokehold death

WTF???? They stood there and did nothing for this guy. NOTHING. And when the paramedics got there...they did nothing. No mouth to mouth...no chest pumping to try to keep him alive. NOTHING. Just patting..patting. Then the stupid woman starts telling him to get up. Um. His eyes are open, he is not breathing, he is DEAD. And she is a paramedic?

Some heads need to roll.

watch the new vid.

The autopsy results indicated the man's airway was not injured at all.

I read that yesterday, to include no injury to his throat too. That's why I'm thinking he had a heart attack. The cops would not have know this given he was breathing and his heart was beating though.

 

[Tank]

Now..pretend that guy is your dad.

My dad would have never started a fight with the cops

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why did he fight with the police?

Good question.

 

[Gracie]

Never mind.

We will just have to agree to disagree then.

 

[Howey]

AOL.com Article - More studies needed in apparent NYC police chokehold death

WTF???? They stood there and did nothing for this guy. NOTHING. And when the paramedics got there...they did nothing. No mouth to mouth...no chest pumping to try to keep him alive. NOTHING. Just patting..patting. Then the stupid woman starts telling him to get up. Um. His eyes are open, he is not breathing, he is DEAD. And she is a paramedic?

Some heads need to roll.

watch the new vid.

It's so sad....

 

[CaféAuLait]

Never mind.

We will just have to agree to disagree then.

I'm curious as to what they should have done Gracie. He was breathing and his heart was beating.

When I watched the initial video you can clearly see the cop remove his hand from the mans throat within a second and replace it to his shoulder, almost as if he did not intend to grab his neck or realized that he had and moved it immediately.


As I said on the other thread, I wish the cops had tried to diffuse the situation with words, but we don't see anything which happened prior either.

 

[Slag]

with all respect to the op, would you have given mouth to mouth?

hell yeah!!

How would that have helped this person?

 

[waltky]

Retaliation against chokehold death results in death of two police officers...

AP sources: Cops' killer angry at chokehold death
December 20, 2014 — A gunman who announced online that he was planning to shoot two "pigs" in retaliation for the police chokehold death of Eric Garner ambushed two officers in a patrol car and shot them to death in broad daylight Saturday before running to a subway station and killing himself, authorities said.

The suspect, 28-year-old Ismaaiyl Brinsley, wrote on an Instagram account: "I'm putting wings on pigs today. They take 1 of ours, let's take 2 of theirs," officials said. He used the hashtags Shootthepolice RIPErivGardner (sic) RIPMikeBrown. Police said he approached the passenger window of a marked police car and opened fire, striking Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in the head. The New York Police Department officers were on special patrol doing crime reduction work in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn. "They were, quite simply, assassinated — targeted for their uniform," said Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, who looked pale and shaken at a hospital news conference. Brinsley took off running as officers pursued him down to a nearby subway station, where he shot himself in the head. A silver handgun was recovered at the scene, Bratton said. "This may be my final post," Brinsley wrote in the Instagram post that included an image of a silver handgun. The post had more than 200 likes.

Bratton confirmed that the suspect made very serious "anti-police" statements online but did not get into specifics of the posts. He said they were trying to figure out why Brinsley had chosen to kill the officers. Two city officials with direct knowledge of the case confirmed the posts to The Associated Press. The officials, a senior city official and a law enforcement official, were not authorized to speak publicly on the topic and spoke on condition of anonymity. The shootings come at a tense time; Police in New York and nationwide are being criticized for their tactics, following the July death of Garner, who was stopped on suspicion of selling loose, untaxed cigarettes. Amateur video captured an officer wrapping his arm around Garner's neck and wrestling him to the ground. Garner was heard gasping, "I can't breathe" before he lost consciousness and later died. Demonstrators around the country have staged die-ins and other protests since a grand jury decided Dec. 3 not to indict the officer in Garner's death, a decision that closely followed a Missouri grand jury's refusal to indict a white officer in the fatal shooting of Brown, an unarmed black 18-year-old. Bratton said they were investigating whether the suspect had attended any rallies or demonstrations.

Brinsley was black; the officers were Asian and Hispanic, police said. The Rev. Al Sharpton said Garner's family had no connection to the suspect and denounced the violence. "Any use of the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown in connection with any violence or killing of police, is reprehensible and against the pursuit of justice in both cases," Sharpton said. Brown's family also released a statement condemning the shooting. "We must work together to bring peace to our communities," the statement says. "Our thoughts and prayers go out to the officers' families during this incredibly difficult time." Mayor Bill de Blasio said the killing of the officers in the nation's largest department strikes at the heart of the city. "Our city is in mourning. Our hearts are heavy," said de Blasio, who spoke softly with moist eyes. "It is an attack on all of us." Scores of officers in uniform lined up three rows deep lined the hospital driveway and stretched into the street, their hands raised in a silent salute, as two ambulances bore the slain officers' bodies away. The mayor ordered flags at half-staff.

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