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Nobody knows what jesus preached because nothing was written down in his lifetime.Sorry Billy, I didn't know you and Jake shared a brain.but now I do.
However if Jesus preached that, then Jake is really in the wrong isn't he? Thanks Billy.
The gnosis did not need to be written down, it was put into practise by disciples and handed down as a way of life.
Ulysses, you can't put Jesus behind a fence. Biblical literalism is idolatry, much as the Koran is the symbol of such for Islam.
Anyone who has opened the Bible and studied, read, and prayed about it realizes that to allow others to define what it all means is to allow others, not God, to rule one's life.
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One of the most false statements in years on the Board: ". . .view the Bible as a figurative interpretative text, is to allow others to define what is all means, which is to allow others, not G-d, to rule one's life".
Jesus, of course, wants his followers to interact and define with Him their joint relationship. A church, a book, other people, etc., are merely agents for someone to grab your wallet when it comes to religion.
Getting back to the funeral, I think that it would have been appropriate to have the funeral elsewhere, cremate the body, and then have an airplane drop the ashes on the church that refused to do the funeral.
One of the most false statements in years on the Board: ". . .view the Bible as a figurative interpretative text, is to allow others to define what is all means, which is to allow others, not G-d, to rule one's life".
Jesus, of course, wants his followers to interact and define with Him their joint relationship. A church, a book, other people, etc., are merely agents for someone to grab your wallet when it comes to religion.
One of the most false statements in years on the Board: ". . .view the Bible as a figurative interpretative text, is to allow others to define what is all means, which is to allow others, not G-d, to rule one's life".
Jesus, of course, wants his followers to interact and define with Him their joint relationship. A church, a book, other people, etc., are merely agents for someone to grab your wallet when it comes to religion.
So you are saying Jesus is whatever you want him to be. Correct?
Getting back to the funeral, I think that it would have been appropriate to have the funeral elsewhere, cremate the body, and then have an airplane drop the ashes on the church that refused to do the funeral.
What would the point of that be? If that's what you want to do, knock yourself out. Why would the church even care, if you dumped some ash into the air, high enough in the sky that no one would notice anyway?
The people who live in the homes around our church, some of them smoke, and I can smell the smoke from the parking lot. Why would I care? What difference does that make? Strangest ideas from you lately. But hey, go for it. If that floats your boat, by all means.
Getting back to the funeral, I think that it would have been appropriate to have the funeral elsewhere, cremate the body, and then have an airplane drop the ashes on the church that refused to do the funeral.
What would the point of that be? If that's what you want to do, knock yourself out. Why would the church even care, if you dumped some ash into the air, high enough in the sky that no one would notice anyway?
The people who live in the homes around our church, some of them smoke, and I can smell the smoke from the parking lot. Why would I care? What difference does that make? Strangest ideas from you lately. But hey, go for it. If that floats your boat, by all means.
You are correct. They should not care. However, I suspect that this church WOULD care...and that would be the point.
One of the most false statements in years on the Board: ". . .view the Bible as a figurative interpretative text, is to allow others to define what is all means, which is to allow others, not G-d, to rule one's life".
Jesus, of course, wants his followers to interact and define with Him their joint relationship. A church, a book, other people, etc., are merely agents for someone to grab your wallet when it comes to religion.
So you are saying Jesus is whatever you want him to be. Correct?
That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know how to see his comments as meaning anything other than that. I have to assume that he is the 'definer' of his own faith. Of course since he views all text as non-literal, who knows how he interprets his own words.
TAMPA, FL (WFLA) - Julie Atwood was standing at her son's casket when the phone rang. The church where her son's funeral was scheduled to be held the next day decided to abruptly cancel the service, after the pastor learned the deceased was gay and his obituary listed a surviving "husband."
Atwood said she was told it would be "blasphemous" to hold the services at the church because her son, Julion Evans, 42, was gay.
He says the obituary named him as "husband," and that their marriage was no secret.
But when the obituary published in the local newspaper, everything changed.
T.W. Jenkins, pastor at New Hope says was not aware of that Evans had a husband or was gay until members of his congregation saw the obit and called to complain. They did not think it was right to have the funeral at their church.
Jenkins said his church preaches against gay marriage.
"Based on our preaching of the scripture, we would have been in error to allow the service in our church," Jenkins said. "I'm not trying to condemn anyone's lifestyle, but at the same time, I am a man of God, and I have to stand up for my principles."
Church denies funeral to gay man - WRCBtv.com | Chattanooga News, Weather & Sports
So you are saying Jesus is whatever you want him to be. Correct?
That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know how to see his comments as meaning anything other than that. I have to assume that he is the 'definer' of his own faith. Of course since he views all text as non-literal, who knows how he interprets his own words.
So you both fail to trust the literal Jesus and His spirit to guide you in a relationship with Him.
I am saying that you sillies need to trust Jesus in relationship with you, not a book. Why are you so afraid of Him?
That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know how to see his comments as meaning anything other than that. I have to assume that he is the 'definer' of his own faith. Of course since he views all text as non-literal, who knows how he interprets his own words.
So you both fail to trust the literal Jesus and His spirit to guide you in a relationship with Him.
I am saying that you sillies need to trust Jesus in relationship with you, not a book. Why are you so afraid of Him?
Just curious, how do you know who Jesus is, without the Book? What he stood for? Or anything else about the Man? Did He appear to you, like He did Joseph Smith? Or are you just guessing?
I hate religion to be honest. Music is my religion.
But I'm going to say something for the sake of argument.
Jesus didn't turn away from someone because he or she was homosexual.
Jesus walked among the sinners and loved everyone.
Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but inside are full of the bones of the dead and of everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you look righteous to people, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have participated with them in shedding the blood of the prophets. By saying this you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your ancestors! You snakes, you offspring of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
TAMPA, FL (WFLA) - Julie Atwood was standing at her son's casket when the phone rang. The church where her son's funeral was scheduled to be held the next day decided to abruptly cancel the service, after the pastor learned the deceased was gay and his obituary listed a surviving "husband."
Atwood said she was told it would be "blasphemous" to hold the services at the church because her son, Julion Evans, 42, was gay.
He says the obituary named him as "husband," and that their marriage was no secret.
But when the obituary published in the local newspaper, everything changed.
T.W. Jenkins, pastor at New Hope says was not aware of that Evans had a husband or was gay until members of his congregation saw the obit and called to complain. They did not think it was right to have the funeral at their church.
Jenkins said his church preaches against gay marriage.
"Based on our preaching of the scripture, we would have been in error to allow the service in our church," Jenkins said. "I'm not trying to condemn anyone's lifestyle, but at the same time, I am a man of God, and I have to stand up for my principles."
Church denies funeral to gay man - WRCBtv.com | Chattanooga News, Weather & Sports
I hate religion to be honest. Music is my religion.
But I'm going to say something for the sake of argument.
Jesus didn't turn away from someone because he or she was homosexual.
Jesus walked among the sinners and loved everyone.
Jesus Loves Homosexuals | For His Glory
Homosexuals are loved by God and get saved just like anyone else.
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Jesus loves homosexuals - May Daily
Jesus Loves Homosexuals | Relijournal
Jesus Loves Heterosexuals?and Homosexuals Too! | The Sharp End
